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...When you're breaking the law too. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Raziel Anjelis - Student 
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Woah woah woah, I'm guessing that we all don't want to have a major argument based on this eh? Lets not aggravate each other  _______________ Proud owner of El Vee For's 200th Comment, and Wicek's 2600th comment  DaMi3N's 400th, Trad Redav's 666th.
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: Just one thing, El Vee, you're saying the cops shouldn't stay so strict to the law and just let some things slide....... but when it comes to citizen rights and wether or not the cops have the right to search something, you think they should stay strictly to the laws. Just something i'd noticed reading through this. this is sorta bout that, what it is that this is about is two or three seperate issues, (depending on your perspective) one: America's legal stance on Marijuana, I say its too strict as long as alcohol and cigarettes remain legal. two: how it corresponds to general corruption within our police forces three: how the police can stretch their powers to the point of violating your civil rights The dude that reported a safe missing with an LB (EL BEE as in a pound or .lb) in it, was a complete idiot for reporting it stolen in the first place, call the Mob that is their turf they will just want a cut of your profit, but it is possible in fact likely he will get off, charges dropped if even filed, since the police in this case have very very weak case of probable cause for even askin the dude to open his safe. then I cleared up some legal q&a with O'liin who is a Police Officer, on the job 6 mo. Much RESPECT!! next thing I knew it was time to get back on the 805 and go home fer the day, now I home from a cub scout meeting replying to your post, which didnt make much sense to me. I want consistency from the cops, I want them to police themselves 3 times better than they police us, I want the civil rights of all americans to be the number one priority on every police officer in the nation. yeah you gotta lock em sometimes sure but don't go beating down the doors of people that need your help and came to your for it. lastly I would just like to say that I completely respect the duty and honor of the police all over the nation, and I plead with all of them to not allow the words proper police procedure ever to escape your thoughts, we depend and trust you and from time to time you disappoint us all terribly. thank you good night _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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DarthMike - Student 
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Just one thing, El Vee, you're saying the cops shouldn't stay so strict to the law and just let some things slide....... but when it comes to citizen rights and wether or not the cops have the right to search something, you think they should stay strictly to the laws. Just something i'd noticed reading through this. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: But please before this gets out of hand,and before we end up on bad terms with each other,lets stop this conversation here .So that you and I can be friends,and not enemies.Because i have lived long enough to know that when you get two strng willed ppl together,discussing a subject when both are on opposing sides bad things happen.So,,,i wont leave another thread here so that you and I,will not be left with ill-will towards each other,because I feel that this conversation is going that way.And besides anger really affects you dueling,Munch Munch MUNCH LOL oh no not at all, read my last  _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: well yes ofcourse With decent police who are honest.I am honest,my friends in my station are honest,but you have got to remember that alot of cops sadly are corrupt. and my point is made, thanks O'liin I am not sure how much of this thread you have read so I will let you know there is alot negative comments toward the Police from me. I don't hate the cops, without them I would be hating it more cuz I wouldn't have any of my neat stuff. Having the badge doesn't justify the actions I see cops take everyday, they run red lights, they speed, they get out on the freeway and drive 55 in a 65 just slow us all down. I saw the Seattle PD do some really messed up stuff and they laughed the whole time they were doin it. Why didn't I report it? Yeah like I want the entire PD breathing down my neck. Good luck in your career, always wear your vest complete with back and sternum plates, always wear your cup and never pursue a suspect out of view of your partner. Peace _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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O'Liin Onasi - Student 
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But please before this gets out of hand,and before we end up on bad terms with each other,lets stop this conversation here .So that you and I can be friends,and not enemies.Because i have lived long enough to know that when you get two strng willed ppl together,discussing a subject when both are on opposing sides bad things happen.So,,,i wont leave another thread here so that you and I,will not be left with ill-will towards each other,because I feel that this conversation is going that way.And besides anger really affects you dueling,Munch Munch MUNCH _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. |
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O'Liin Onasi - Student 
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well yes ofcourse With decent police who are honest.I am honest,my friends in my station are honest,but you have got to remember that alot of cops sadly are corrupt. _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: yep I totally agree, if you take away cigs,and alcohol,the entire country would go nuts.Anarchy it would be,to say the least. They are Jedifires words in a previous post. Oh and btw I had no thoughts that you thought legalization of marijuana would help, I didnt realize that the tone of my words lead to that,so I am sorry, I definitely did not mean to insinuate that. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Well I cant say I have much experience as I have only been working as a cop for about 6 months now.So with said ,yes you do have right to an attorney,but only when you are arrested.If you arent put into custody,and they think you have something in the safe,well you better hope that sumthing that is illegal isnt in there. so this statement tells me, that in Ohio at least, the police can exercise probable cause entry against my personal property, which the police only came into posession of the item cuz I reported it stolen, without informing me of my rights or allowing me access to a lawyer to determene whether probable cause is even in effect in this case.This would get tossed out of court pretty fast boys. Now if you processed a warrant and let me contact an attourney I would be in bad shape, assuming there is something illegal in the box. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 10 2005 12:38am. |
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O'Liin Onasi - Student
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yep I totally agree, if you take away cigs,and alcohol,the entire country would go nuts.Anarchy it would be,to say the least. Oh and btw I had no thoughts that you thought legalization of marijuana would help, I didnt realize that the tone of my words lead to that,so I am sorry, I definitely did not mean to insinuate that. _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. This comment was edited by O'Liin Onasi on Sep 09 2005 11:20pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: I do agree about your point with alcohol/cigarettes, but they are legal. I do not agree that if other drugs are made legal, that then there wouldn't be as many problems. sorry I didn't notice this statement before but feel I must address it since it makes claim that I believe legalization of Marijuana would reduce problems. I don't believe that, if anything I would like to see alcohol and cigarettes made as illegal as pot. That would be anarchy though wouldn't it.  _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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O'Liin Onasi - Student
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Well I cant say I have much experience as I have only been working as a cop for about 6 months now.So with said ,yes you do have right to an attorney,but only when you are arrested.If you arent put into custody,and they think you have something in the safe,well you better hope that sumthing that is illegal isnt in there. _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Notice, the owner may not have had the weed in the safe to begin with.In which case,,,I feel really sory for him. They will have to print the bag to prove he even ever touched it before they can proceed with charges since the safe was out of his possession and he did report that. Same procedure for handguns used in crimes. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Well I'll say this,It all depends on the situation.If the Officers on site had a reasonable cause for the owner to open it then he has to, but if they didn't,then the owner of the safe is just stupid =)(that is if he actually had the weed in there himself).Oh yeah el vee I meant no offence to you or any one else, and Yes if me GM were tokin the chibba I would ask her to go to the cruiser too.=O don't sweat it, i still don't believe you, but thats my right, I couldn't lock my GM up for nothin. I wouldn't hesitate to call a co-worker in to do it if the situation were truly out of hand like, I walked in on her splittin up 50Ki's into ounces for resale. But if yer doin that you gotta know you will get caught eventually. OH = Edit OH and would I have a right to an attourney before you opened the box? _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 09 2005 11:05pm. |
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O'Liin Onasi - Student
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Well I'll say this,It all depends on the situation.If the Officers on site had a reasonable cause for the owner to open it then he has to, but if they didn't,then the owner of the safe is just stupid =)(that is if he actually had the weed in there himself).Oh yeah el vee I meant no offence to you or any one else, and Yes if me GM were tokin the chibba I would ask her to go to the cruiser too.=O Notice, the owner may not have had the weed in the safe to begin with.In which case,,,I feel really sory for him. _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. This comment was edited by O'Liin Onasi on Sep 09 2005 11:03pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Now, I don't know about the police academy, but as a law student for one year... he could have refused, was he aware of this right, is it the responsibility of the police to inform him of his rights on this matter?If the foot locker is locked and closed, then no, the police can't open it and you don't have to either, unless they have probable cause that something illegal is inside or a warrant (iffy subject here). Now if it happens to bust open by accident, and the illegal item drops out, then you can still be arrested and charged. The person in the article didn't have to either and could've politely refused, but I guess he didn't remember that he had pot inside.  OH and if he refused would that raise suspicions in the attending officers and could said officers act on those suspicions (the very shady area of probable cause) _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 09 2005 11:02pm. |
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Jedifire_Mintaka - Student |
Now, I don't know about the police academy, but as a law student for one year... If the foot locker is locked and closed, then no, the police can't open it and you don't have to either, unless they have probable cause that something illegal is inside or a warrant (iffy subject here). Now if it happens to bust open by accident, and the illegal item drops out, then you can still be arrested and charged. The person in the article didn't have to either and could've politely refused, but I guess he didn't remember that he had pot inside. _______________ Raydoe's Paddy I miss you Ray! Owner of DarthMike's 500th comment, Stig's 250th comment, Grycen's 175th, O'liin's 200th, Pink Floyd's 800th, Rufusan's 25th and Raydoe's 473rd comment! |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Okay this is one sensitive matter.The law is the law.I am a police officer,so i understand that.Now, I understand somethings should be let go,from time to time i allow them that, sometimes breaking or bending the law is unavoidable,in that case I will be kind and understanding of the circumstances,but my job is my job.So however kind I am I have to do my job.I still have to UPHOLD the law and ENFORCE it.So no offence to you ,or you GM,but if I would have saw it,I would have nicely asked her to come with me to the cruiser.Now if anyone ever has a chance to learn one thing from me , please learn this.Sometimes to do the right thing,you have to make sacrfices.Police officers,Fire fighter,EMS workers,rescue squads,and any other person who risks there life for ANYONE realizes that ,though it might be a small crime,it is a crime,and I ,along with several other thousand officers like me,WE have to protect YOU,but understand this, WE dont just protect YOUR rights,but MILLIONS of OTHER PEOPLE's rights too.If you have any questions ,or I wasnt quite clear on something ,please feel free to ask me,I will glady help you in any way that i can. and lastly is yer space bar busted, I damn near went crosseyed trying to read that mess, feel free to use my tax dollars to buy a new keyboard. LOL _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 09 2005 10:35pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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You are a Cop, and as you have said in your very own post you make decisions, here and there, about what you will and will not pursue further. Thats good cuz that is what serve and protect embodies. The judgement of the individual officer and how that officer interprets the situation at hand. I would hope that any self respecting Police Officer would have the same restraint and understanding that you appear to. Is this a topic of study in the Po Po academy? It is unlikely that walking granny out to your cruiser would be serving or protecting anyone, but maybe yourself in that it would look good to make an arrest here and there. EDIT: and of course you don't know my GM, nor did you for the thirty years you've been alive, (as my cousin did) she never changed your diapers or your mothers diapers. I sincerely doubt you would attempt to link up your very own GM, but I have no doubt that you wouldn't hesitate to lock mine up. That doesn't really help us be friends does it? I was in the army, and stood tall through most of the Washington State Patrol qual exams, I left due to the eerie simularities to the military ie rank, so understand that it isn't you. You are not the maker of policy you are the executor of it. I have no personal interest in seeing Marijuana legalized, it isn't that important to me and I face the random whiz quiz neways. Since I have the attention of a real life cop, I am trying to drum up a question for you that pertains to the situation at hand which is the department in question in the article posted by Buzz. If I report a "foot locker" stolen, and it is locked, when recovered am I obligated to show the police the contents, if asked? I would say NO, but I am not a cop, you are, I will eagerly await your answer. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 09 2005 10:26pm. |
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O'Liin Onasi - Student
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Okay this is one sensitive matter.The law is the law.I am a police officer,so i understand that.Now, I understand somethings should be let go,from time to time i allow them that, sometimes breaking or bending the law is unavoidable,in that case I will be kind and understanding of the circumstances,but my job is my job.So however kind I am I have to do my job.I still have to UPHOLD the law and ENFORCE it.So no offence to you ,or you GM,but if I would have saw it,I would have nicely asked her to come with me to the cruiser.Now if anyone ever has a chance to learn one thing from me , please learn this.Sometimes to do the right thing,you have to make sacrfices.Police officers,Fire fighter,EMS workers,rescue squads,and any other person who risks there life for ANYONE realizes that ,though it might be a small crime,it is a crime,and I ,along with several other thousand officers like me,WE have to protect YOU,but understand this, WE dont just protect YOUR rights,but MILLIONS of OTHER PEOPLE's rights too.If you have any questions ,or I wasnt quite clear on something ,please feel free to ask me,I will glady help you in any way that i can. _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Plain sight is a bitch!! LOL little story then I gotta get back to work A family reunion, my Grandmother is smoking a Joint, A Marijuana Cigarette A second cousin of mine was a Sheriff, he attempted to arrest my feeble old GM cuz she was breaking the law. That boy damn near got his @$$ kicked that day, and was effectively disowned. Yeah okay, my Grandma is a pot head, so what, its her choice and it isn't like she hasn't already done her contribution to the world. But this cop, and cop just then was a 4-letter word, tried to man up with his holier than though nonsense. It just isn't cool. I have seen plenty of other activity to make me distrust the respresentatives of the law, but this stands out. Cops have a rough job, but they also chose that job, it didn't choose them. A life of public service is to be commended but only if you can look yourself in the mirror everyday and say "I am doing good for my community." To those that can say that, my hats off to you, to those that can't hell has a special place for you. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Jedifire_Mintaka - Student |
Well, I started to be a cop. I took a year's worth of law studies, before changing my major. When refering to the plain sight, I was applying what I learned to this situation. That is how a judge will come back, if the police were let in for something else and they see something illegal, then they are legally allowed to arrest you. Until the laws change, they will be prosecuted for having, dealing, whatever, with weed. Now weed may change soon (its effects are close to that of alcohol), but I hope coke, LSD and that stuff is never made legal. Yes, this is a good debate between adults. _______________ Raydoe's Paddy I miss you Ray! Owner of DarthMike's 500th comment, Stig's 250th comment, Grycen's 175th, O'liin's 200th, Pink Floyd's 800th, Rufusan's 25th and Raydoe's 473rd comment! |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: I do agree about your point with alcohol/cigarettes, but they are legal. I do not agree that if other drugs are made legal, that then there wouldn't be as many problems. NO debate club, but did study some litigation techniques, #1 never take it personal, and I don't.I'm sorry if I seemed hot headed. I take it very seriously when it comes to law enforcment and firefighting issues. I just dont want to see people keeling over because they did something they shouldn't have. On another point, are you sure you weren't in a debate club or something? You're good! I TOTALLY RESPECT YOU JEDIFIRE!! be clear on that Your contribution is amazing and selfless, but I too have work in close confines with the Seattle PD and I have seen some things that definately skew my opinion. I worked as armed security and responded to alot alarms so my mingling with the Po Po is extensive. I don't question what is and is not legal, its too easy to point at a book and say "see its ...." Me I am about questioning why? Murder is illegal cuz it immediate revokes your right to the pursuit of happiness. Simple enuf, boooo murder. Pot smoking is illegal cuz....Nixon says so. Not good enuf for me. Especially when the rest of the western world is busy trying to decriminalize it. thanks for the talk, got my blood pumping and made me feel alive!! EDIT: oh yeah No debate club, but I am on my second marriage, so yeah I got some hours of arguin under meh belt! _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Sep 09 2005 09:27pm. |
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Quote: Now I see where your perspective comes from, you are one of them. THEM a member of our new police state. Thats not a bad thing btw, good for you.Hmmm, it was well earned. I too as a child once thought, hey I wanna be a cop someday. I am since enlightened. Also when the day comes that a black man can reach for his wallet again without getting shot 42 times then maybe the cops will gain my trust back. A question? How do you know he was getting his wallet? The officer(s) did not whether he was reaching for a gun, a machete, or a wallet. They chose their own safety and the safety of the public over the chance that the guy might be pulling out a weapon. That is why you don't make sudden movements without being told by an officer to do so. Quote: I am sure there are plenty of good cops out there, I am equally sure they are out numbered by bad cops 2 to 1. Bad cops are the minority. Weed may not be the same as coke, LSD, or what not, but you seem to be missing the point. ITS ILLEGAL! Drugs and alcohol are harmful to you and thats why there are restricions on these products. Keep in mind, these laws are made to protect and keep everyone safe! -Your local Firefighter/EMT, trying to keep you safe, along with our close brothers... You are not seeing how/why it was made illegal. You are not seeing how/why weed is not different from substances that are legal. (booze and smokes) I see that since you are on the inside looking out you will never be able to understand until the substance is declassified as a narcotic. Your opinion on the level of corruption within the police is duely noted, as an opinion. You don't have any facts nor could you come up with any facts when pressed to do so, a cop will always tell you to your face that he is a good cop, and Nixon said he was not a crook, Tim McVeigh and Scott Peterson didn't do it either, pfft. My facts are supported by what we see on TV and what we as a people see everyday, and the unchallengable law of averages explained in a previous post of mine. Dude I respect you and what you do, but you don't need to defend the Police. While you work with them everyday, Anne Rice worked next to Ted Bundy everyday, you do not know anything more than what they want you to know. End of story. You have not refuted any of my facts, other than to say "ITS ILLEGAL", well slavery was legal once, does that make it right? Laws are made by those that live above them. Many of our laws are good and just, some are not. As free people, as Americans we have a responsibility to challenge our system when it has gone astray. Or you have the equal right to just sit back and take it as it is shoveled on to you. While I am glad our fore fathers had the fore sight to create such a wonderful nation, lets not forget they were a pack of slave owning aristocrats that were tired of paying their taxes. Thanks for the debate, no winner here just a conversation between what I assume is adults. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Jedifire_Mintaka - Student |
I do agree about your point with alcohol/cigarettes, but they are legal. I do not agree that if other drugs are made legal, that then there wouldn't be as many problems. I'm sorry if I seemed hot headed. I take it very seriously when it comes to law enforcment and firefighting issues. I just dont want to see people keeling over because they did something they shouldn't have. On another point, are you sure you weren't in a debate club or something? You're good! _______________ Raydoe's Paddy I miss you Ray! Owner of DarthMike's 500th comment, Stig's 250th comment, Grycen's 175th, O'liin's 200th, Pink Floyd's 800th, Rufusan's 25th and Raydoe's 473rd comment! |
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