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Xun Swiftblade - Student  |
Hey all, firstly this is my first ever post here. ^_^
Okay, onto my topic. Recently I've been trying to improve, but every duellist I meet tends to poke. I have been trying to fight poke by using a dodge and counter tactic, but I'm unable to work out a solid way to beat poke. I have tried listening until after the saber sound and striking, and attacking between combos, but I always get hit. Does anyone have a solid piece of advice to share? _______________  Be happy. This post was edited by Xun Swiftblade on Apr 05 2007 01:57am. |
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Dark. - Student 
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Quote: Here's some tips:
Predict whilst remaining unpredictable. Make use of fast stances often. Minimize taking risks by abandoning opportunities that might potentially backfire. Practice the recognition of patterns and exploit the resulting openings. Playing defensive makes it easier to remain in control of your opponent, at the expense of fun and (often) intensity. Oh and... don't get hit :p. Keep in mind that every swing they land may potentially end the duel in their favor - so you should be especially mindful about avoiding hits. pretty much that and dunno if you will find this any good (or you might use it already) but what i find useful for countering poke is using the command: /cg_sabertrail 0 - this takes away the glow in the saber movement, meaning when there's a poker with quite a harsh poke, it makes it easier to find a opening in his defence so you can get a quick yellow counter in or something - instead of just seeing a massive blur. it takes some getting used to at first but it seemed to help me alot. _______________ xfire: smithy182 |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: I usually wait and try to hit inbetween strikes with yellow, always playing defensive, but I always get hit no matter how I try. If I try to hit after the hit I will be damaged, and if I try to hit before I don't have enough time to escape.
If you try to hit with yellow against ap oker, and you arent Experienced with yellow (And versus pokers) you wont stand a chance, tbh. Follow masta's advice really, Sounds good to me. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I use red stance exclusivly and rarely have much trouble with pokers and their ilk. Most of my tactics base from reading movement patterns and identifying a "safe" attack situation. Everyone has a pattern, just gotta find it.
- HW yup everyone has one... its a good thing to actually notice when your opponent is starting to get your pattern. in a slow passive fight, a change in style and pattern can destroy your opponent in seconds. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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I use red stance exclusivly and rarely have much trouble with pokers and their ilk. Most of my tactics base from reading movement patterns and identifying a "safe" attack situation. Everyone has a pattern, just gotta find it.
- HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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It's good to hear you are doing better now, good job! After all, it´s what this place is for. _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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Xun Swiftblade - Student 
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I like to learn and improve, not going to go into why, but I want to become really skillful. I'm doing pretty decent against poke, it took a while, but I've adjusted to running in the opposite direction to the attack like dash suggested.
:Update: I've gotten alot better with it, and pokers aren't a problem now. I'm really thankful to this place, without your advice and guidance I wouldn't have of ever improved to fight poke.
Right now in a duel I stay within hitting distance of my enemy always, so that they're the ones running and I can counter them easily. When I see them about to perform a red swing I dodge them by running, and then I perform advancing fanning on them, before either retreating by backing off, or jumping lightly backwards if they're about to hit me. It's working really well. Thanks for the advice you guys ga _______________ Be happy.
This comment was edited by Xun Swiftblade on Apr 06 2007 04:22pm. |
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SaZ - Student
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im actually surprised how much someone wants to learn about a game 
thats what i call 'eager to learn'. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Apr 06 2007 10:37am. |
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Xun Swiftblade - Student
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O_O I've been calling them advanced scissors all this time... rofl.  This guy taught me, telling me that he comes here and wanted to teach me a trick. I've been hitting the swinging side, like if it's a left swing I go for the left side, etc. 
I'm going to try hitting the opposite side now, hopefully it'll work to my advantage. :d _______________ Be happy.
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor
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Seems like you are improving, which is good. I think your main focus should be on duel movement more so than timing, actually, although it's hard to tell because I'd have to see you in-game. Like you said, (and the others below) you should quickly hit inbetween a pair of comboswings, or after the combo itself. You gotta make it very fast though (and make sure you aim for the open side - right swing = left side open) so go in and out, very rapidly. One technique that will help is 'Advancing Scissors', if you haven't heard of this, come see me on the servers sometime.
And yeah, like R2 said, staying close is good. This will help countering, but also prevent aerials from hitting you. Evade to their side, preferably their open side. (Again, against a right swing, you run right, thus to their left.) Never come within their range though. But yeah, pokers are doing you a favour: if you get hit, you know you got too close. To sum it all up: - Hit the open side (Right swing - left side open and vica versa); - Move in and out rapidly (use one-two swings max.); - Stay close, but not too close. The idea is you deal out hits without taking any, yourself. _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Apr 06 2007 07:37am. |
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Xun Swiftblade - Student
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Right now, I'm sort of doing what you guys said and my own method that I worked out. I'm staying close to them, and dodging their attack. Inbetween attacks I strike with a yellow fan, I've gone from losing at 100/28 to around 21, and sometimes I even win. ^_^ I guess I'll just need to keep practicing it, thanks for the help guys. _______________ Be happy.
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I'll show you a poker...zip.
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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Quote: All I can really add to this is that even though the use of exploits makes one's attacks very powerful, it also makes one lazy and predictable in how these attacks are made.
 It's true. Learn to beat one 'sploiter, learn how to beat them all. At least for pokers. I also have to add... I'll show you a poker...zip. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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planK - Jedi Council
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All I can really add to this is that even though the use of exploits makes one's attacks very powerful, it also makes one lazy and predictable in how these attacks are made.
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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Me too _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Xun Swiftblade - Student 
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Sure, I'm in GMT+0 time though. _______________ Be happy.
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student
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If your free at all next week. Give me a shout and we shall have a few training sessions on the servers _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Xun Swiftblade - Student
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Thanks R2D2, that's where my problem lies. I always use that technique you mentioned, however I never get enough to back off. I will attack between or before an attack with a single hit, but then I always get hit. There isn't enough time to roll away as my swing cooldown ends just as I get hit, I get hit if I jump and hit if I run. I have tried kicking them away, but it came to avail. Help? _______________ Be happy.
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R2D2 - Staff 
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Quote: I usually wait and try to hit inbetween strikes with yellow, always playing defensive, but I always get hit no matter how I try. If I try to hit after the hit I will be damaged, and if I try to hit before I don't have enough time to escape.
From my experience on public servers, being very patient is the key. Like Masta said, if you do some tentative attacks (not really that close to your opponent) you can see how they react and pick up on patterns. Once you pick up on these patterns, wait for just the right time and close in on your opponent and score a hit quickly. One bit of advice I've picked up from some previous players is to remain within striking distance to your opponent when you are ready to counter. If you can get up in their face while avoiding their attacks, it makes it a lot easier for you to counter their attacks at just the right times. Usually at the end of swings (with poke or not), you will most likely get blocked. I like to either move in right at the beginning of swings or in between chained swings. When playing with high ping, remaining close to your opponent may make it quite hard for you to avoid a quick aerial, so you'll need to expand your distance from your opponent. I've picked up a lot of these little bits of advice and help from previous JAA (Jedi Academy Aurochs) members such as Masta, Deqlyn, Tido, 13, Sauce etc... The current JAA members also know how to fight against poke too, so I would advise you to hang around the JAA server/s _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist This comment was edited by R2D2 on Apr 05 2007 05:10pm. |
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Xun Swiftblade - Student
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I usually wait and try to hit inbetween strikes with yellow, always playing defensive, but I always get hit no matter how I try. If I try to hit after the hit I will be damaged, and if I try to hit before I don't have enough time to escape. _______________ Be happy.
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SaZ - Student 
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great advise...
expect to hear 'omg he plays passive' on pubs tho. but if you do actually hear that - you are on path to win _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor
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Yeah, that's good advice indeed. As far as using the fast(er) stances are concerned to beat pokes, I can help you with yellow. For red you should look elsewhere; I'm unsure how to use this myself. (It's very effective, I just never took a look at it, but it's worth your effort if you should do so.)
So yeah, long story short, catch me on the servers sometime and I'll try to help you to the best of my abilities. _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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Majno - Padawan 
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Quote: Here's some tips:
Predict whilst remaining unpredictable. Make use of fast stances often. Minimize taking risks by abandoning opportunities that might potentially backfire. Practice the recognition of patterns and exploit the resulting openings. Playing defensive makes it easier to remain in control of your opponent, at the expense of fun and (often) intensity. Oh and... don't get hit :p. Keep in mind that every swing they land may potentially end the duel in their favor - so you should be especially mindful about avoiding hits. Wise advice, but then again, I'd expect nothing less from this cat, take these words to heart. _______________ " You've just taken your first steps into a larger world. " - Ben. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Here's some tips:
Predict whilst remaining unpredictable. Make use of fast stances often. Minimize taking risks by abandoning opportunities that might potentially backfire. Practice the recognition of patterns and exploit the resulting openings. Playing defensive makes it easier to remain in control of your opponent, at the expense of fun and (often) intensity. Oh and... don't get hit :p. Keep in mind that every swing they land may potentially end the duel in their favor - so you should be especially mindful about avoiding hits. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Xun Swiftblade - Student
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Well, I define poke someone with around 300 sens, twitching slightly during a swing. It's not extension, I don't find that a problem. I met someone who did a poke like move, but he jumped in the air in a back flip while he did it. All I can describe it as, is as if his mouse was having a crazy attack. He blocked all of my attacks and automatically did damage to me.
I met another guy who used a move similiar to extension, only on a higher sens, it did insane damage and blocked all my attacks. _______________ Be happy.
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: I have been trying to fight poke by using a dodge and counter tactic
actually thats a good tactic to use... whatever your enemy is and whatever techniques he/she is using  _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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