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Ancient - ex-Student  |
Today, like almost everyday.... i hear others pple in the home server talking about saber staff is unfair and should be fixed. But what bother me is, i heard a JAK said this today... I dont want to offense anyone, and i just erase the name of that person. http://groups.msn.com/JAstuff/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1 To me, i think all saber styles has the SAME power, it just depends on how you use them. So, what do you think? Just give a few cents here  _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
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Ecepeexo Utanbar - Student 
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Correction: The saber doesn't block "that" like crazy, the user does. _______________ "Before reaching Knighthood, all Jedi make a sacrifice. It is not required by the Master, nor is it a part of the Jedi Code to do so. It happens naturally. A sacrifice which shows your dedication to the Force, and to a new life, based on selflessness. This may be someone close to you, that you come to realize you must let go of in order to follow your path. It may be a certain addiction, or passion for something that would inhibit your abilities. It is not necesarilly your choice as to what you give up, and it is also a mile stone at which will decide your destiny. Choose wisely, and may the Force be with you." ~Jedi Streen |
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Darth Bamse - Student 
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Quote: im a staff only user....i feel like im thrashing around with dual sabers and that there is no finesse to my fighting... i like single blade but hate using red stance because its sooooo slow... i use staff because i have found a versitility in it that i cant get with the others... i often find myself shutting 1 blade off though mid attack... it allows great variation as an offensive weapon...but its useless deffensively...  You kidding? The staff blocks like crazy! _______________ Why use only one saber, when you can use two, and double the mayhem? |
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Fire - Student 
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From my point of view, it all comes down to exactly how you use the saber of your sort. If you're single saber and you've got the uberest of uber yellow stance fighting skills/timing, then you would probably be able to take out a mediocre possibly even super, staff wielder. But if you're red stance, and you have an amazing knowledge and timing for it, you'll stand an awesome chance against staff. Then comes just plain battlefield tactics. Using your opponent's mind against him is an awesome tactic. As is being unpredictable. Just outsmarting your opponent (the staff wielder) can win you the battle. Sometimes it all comes down to your timing, and sometimes, it comes all down to your experience. But most of all, use them as one, and you'll know what I mean All the same are for Staff users as well. It all comes down to how you interact with the game, your timing, unpredictability aka switching stances from staff to yellow, and etc. But most of all, have fun!!! Then you'll be at 100%  |
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Jade - Student 
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I think we should not just put saber style against saber style without considering the players skill. I have seen skilled staff players winning almost every dual (including beating me because I'm not one of those I consider skilled) when along comes a skilled single saber player and wins every time. I believe there are different levels of players and if you're like me who gets pwnd a lot by staff players then it means we must practice more. We should not put other players down by assuming their saber style has given them an advantage...they win by training and earning skill. I am proof...I have also tried staff and still get pwnd...so the moral of my message is....if you're crap...you're crap irrespective of the saber....you just need to keep trying and learn the other styles weaknesses... [I love watching skilled single players against skilled staff....very exciting!!!!!]  _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" |
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Blackstar - Ex-Student 
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im a staff only user....i feel like im thrashing around with dual sabers and that there is no finesse to my fighting... i like single blade but hate using red stance because its sooooo slow... i use staff because i have found a versitility in it that i cant get with the others... i often find myself shutting 1 blade off though mid attack... it allows great variation as an offensive weapon...but its useless deffensively... _______________ Size matters not...it is how you wave your saber that counts |
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Steinin - Student 
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Quote: Eventhough I don't like the BF and I think it is a stupid special for staff It is fortunately the easiest move to dodge however. I have NO troubles dodging it. So don't put too much hassle on this move._______________ 362 Ohi on! This comment was edited by Steinin on May 10 2004 05:57pm. |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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I agree, al the styles are not equal, if they were then there would be little point to picking a different style now would there. Staff rules no argument, but so does red (and those other single styles) and so do duals. Each style has just as gooda chance to beat the others, it all depends on play style and how well you understand the game as well as how oyu react and the number of bad habits you have. Eventhough I don't like the BF and I think it is a stupid special for staff to have I do not think staff is over powered or unfair, it is defferent and different scares people. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Steinin - Student
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This could also have an impact. Players picked staff already during SP. This gave them some practise in handling the staff before going online. Meanwhile: Red users faced off against staff-using dark jedi. But as we all know NPCs and Players do not fight in the same way. Thus the players using the staff could control their weapon but the others couldn't attack these properly. This might have been a reason. _______________ 362 Ohi on! |
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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never had any of these problems wit jk2...... _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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Warning: beware, this is the opinion of a JA n00b IMO staff does not have a huge advantage. It has some cool combos which are easy to execute, but so do most of the sabers in JA compared to JK2. I think if you stepped back and looked at say a real life (physics wise) ninja with a katana sword, that sword is easy to use, but somewhat limited in obvious moves. In comparison, two katanas or some kind of staff is much more difficult to master (in Reality remember) but has some excellent, whacked out and (yes) downright scary moves when mastered. What this game does is learn how to hold and swing a saber for the player , leaving only the decision of what to do with it. That is what decides the strong player from the weak. This can lead to the illusion that the dual and staff are somewhat unfair, but it is just that. n00bs always find a way to blame someone or something else for their failures. It's learning that you control your destiny, and learning to play well that is the point. If you don't learn this you stay a n00b.  _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Lancer007 - Student 
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Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head jake. btw ancient in a sense I did agree with you in one part of it but in another I didn't. Also Yin thats a great point about all 3 of the saber types. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Yes I'm back in this thread, just to pick up on a point thats been made quite a few times. Theres NO WAY that all the sabers are exactly equal. I'm not saying that the balance is tipped majorly towards one or another, just to state that they can't all be exactly equal Don't argue with me, its the law.... _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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R!øT - Student 
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Staff can be very powerful to a person that use it well BUT give that guy yellow single and he will probably still beats you because they are very similar. I hate ppl that conplains about staff, its a good weapon but if ur just doing random hits( thus the named n00bstick) it can easily be countered. |
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Ecepeexo Utanbar - Student 
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Actually, I don't know if this is the majority, but I use red because I can get in accurate shots with it. If I used Yellow or Blue, I'd mostly be flailing around the saber or using a scissor ^_^. _______________ "Before reaching Knighthood, all Jedi make a sacrifice. It is not required by the Master, nor is it a part of the Jedi Code to do so. It happens naturally. A sacrifice which shows your dedication to the Force, and to a new life, based on selflessness. This may be someone close to you, that you come to realize you must let go of in order to follow your path. It may be a certain addiction, or passion for something that would inhibit your abilities. It is not necesarilly your choice as to what you give up, and it is also a mile stone at which will decide your destiny. Choose wisely, and may the Force be with you." ~Jedi Streen |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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Ok heres my lil change... Ive been using staff for quite some time now (Ever since beta was out but thats a diff story)and....It ISNT overpowered most certainly not..All stances of course are equal just differnt speeds and what not...Ive encountered alot of differnt types of duelist of all types of styles(dual,single,&staff)From what Ive learned most staff users LOVE to be aggressive due to the fact of unlimited amount of combos it can do(thats a prob IMO)Single style users(this is what i encounter so its not FACT just observation)they like jump ALOT caues they wanna stay clear of ne attacks made from staff....Its a usual mix of red and yellow but mainly red cause of the range and power(well I wouldnt say power cause...to be quite honest blue and yellow can do just as bad or even worse than red o.O which I dont understand)Dual saber users are usually just as defensive like single style users but with a little bit more aggression(cause of the unlimited combo thing)...but all styles in there own way have an advantage and disadvantage there is no DOMINANT saber style...its just the user who makes the style what it is not the saber..So all it takes is a lil practice to find a way into making the outcome turn to ur favor well i guess thats about it hope I didnt bore u with my observation opinions PS:.......SMILY RULES!!!! _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Ancient - Ex-Student 
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Quote: I'll Have to disagree with both sared and Ancient Because it is true that red stance can help defeat a staff dueler but if the staff dueler is experianced enough and know what to expect from a red stance dueler then the staff dueler has the duel in the bag. Also Staff has it's own strengths and weaknessess I don't think it is overpowered. ??? Sry, but....i dont get you....ummm...you are disagree with me and i think you are just saying what i agree with.....confuse....confuse  _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
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Lancer007 - Student
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I'll Have to disagree with both sared and Ancient Because it is true that red stance can help defeat a staff dueler but if the staff dueler is experianced enough and know what to expect from a red stance dueler then the staff dueler has the duel in the bag. Also Staff has it's own strengths and weaknessess I don't think it is overpowered. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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The main point of the ability to turn off one blade on staff and duals is in order to be able to face off against styles that they would normally have a disadvantage against. I personally love using single yellow against red. And 02b-1dai, you're definitely right about the lag thing. *hugs DSL* _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Ancient - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Sared I'd have to disagree. It actually depends on how experienced vs staff the Red user is. True.... actually i love to fight red.... _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
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Ecepeexo Utanbar - Student
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Sared I'd have to disagree. It actually depends on how experienced vs staff the Red user is. _______________ "Before reaching Knighthood, all Jedi make a sacrifice. It is not required by the Master, nor is it a part of the Jedi Code to do so. It happens naturally. A sacrifice which shows your dedication to the Force, and to a new life, based on selflessness. This may be someone close to you, that you come to realize you must let go of in order to follow your path. It may be a certain addiction, or passion for something that would inhibit your abilities. It is not necesarilly your choice as to what you give up, and it is also a mile stone at which will decide your destiny. Choose wisely, and may the Force be with you." ~Jedi Streen |
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Nomi D'Kana - Student 
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One of the things about the staff.. especially when facing it as an inexperianced player, is the psychological aspect... it looks damn scarey, it moves fast and seems not to have any openings with all that chained twirling. As we have seen by the comments below this is an illusion, it does have its weaknesses and can be beaten (just not by me yet  )But remember do not underestimate the scaryness of the staff  Thanks for listening Davla _______________ "The crystal is the heart of the blade. The heart is the crystal of the Jedi. The Jedi is the crystal of the Force. The Force is the blade of the heart." Master Luminara |
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o2b - Student 
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After dueling with various saber users, and defeating some quite easily and getting eaten alive by others who use the same stance, I would definatly agree that it's the weilder who has the power Lag also has a *lot* to do with it IMHO. |
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monkai - Student |
Staff has the same advantages of Single saber and dual I think Raven made a good job making everything balanced |
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Sared - Retired 
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Lemme put it this way, Staff users HATE Red stance. Period. There, the secret's out. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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