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Halendor - ex-Student  |
Because this was posted in another topic, and surrounded by posts not concerning the idea, I thought it would be nice to give Tido's idea it's own post. Here's his original comment: Quote: Oh yeah, almost forgot: had an idea..... Ok bare with me now...I want to propose an idea that I think will help the academy continue to improve and fullfill its mission: "Provide a friendly and respectful setting in which to learn the game" [Holocron 1.1.1]. An Advisitory Committee This committee is made up of students and has NO POWER whatsoever. At a set interval (say every 2 months) a committee of 10 (for example) students is formed and submit a report to the Council. This report describes the students current perspective of the academy, successes, failures/problems, solutions, and foresight. The Council has no responsibilty to carry out the suggestions of the report. They make the ultimate decisions around here and the report is only a mere suggestion. However it would be an incredible tool to the Council in that it saves time in evaluating the Academy and provides other perspectives. It is important that the committee not be seen as a source of power. People who are serving on the committee should see their role with a sense of 'service', not 'status'. Think of it like jury duty  . Orginization: Elected for a term (6 months?) by the Academy is a Committee Chairperson. He is the organizer of the committee and makes sure that the committee acomplishes it's goal. He is the only member of the committee that remains for more than one report. For each report he/she will select (10) members from a pool of active students. This ensures that fresh perspectives will be present in the report. This also removes the 'status' problem. Anyway thats all I've brainstormed so far...the details of what the reports will have I am still pondering. Gimme some feedback! I think it's a brilliant idea. The student body has grown so big that it has a hard time voicing it's opinion. This might improve that situation. This post was edited by Halendor on Apr 20 2004 03:53pm. |
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In light of doobie's recent comments, do you still think this is a good idea?
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Tido - Student 
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At this point in time I think this should be considered for a later date....we'll come back to this one. However for future referense if you are interested in being up for comittee member or chairperson shoot an e-mail to: rawkstar11@hotmail.com. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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well as about 20 people are even voting in the poll, this topic doesnt seem very active. anyway, I say give it a shot  _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Janiriki - Student 
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hmmm been on a couple of committees in my time ... in general they become a bore. HOWEVER this seems to be as much about giving people a sense of comunity as 'fixing things'. After a few meets where 'everything is good', the said gathering will either fly or crash, who knows where the flight path may lead - perhaps to some unofficial tournaments ... I don't know (havent been here long enough to say what goes on) but you never know, it might just get into the air. _______________ Proud to be Padawan to Sared "It's not over 'till I WIN!!!" Les Brown |If at first you don't succeed...you're doing about average! «§pecial ©haracters guide» | Winners never quit & quitters never win! |
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Tido - Student 
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Quote: Why do we need a committee when we can just get a group of students get in a chat room and talk about it. And send it to the council? Lol, a committee as described here wouldn't be much more than that. Point is: "2 minds can do the work of 3"....ie a group of people develop much more mature ideas than individuals. Look at this thread if you need any evidence of that. Is a committee needed? No-the Academy obviously gets by without such a thing. Could it help? Yes-seems very few of our 'older' students are satisfied with the way the Academy is going (Anti-flame note: I know not all of you, and as a whole the academy is great....but this is only in refrense to this post). A pet peeve of mine is to point out problems, but offer no solutions. A committee is all about solutions, not just saying 'this sux'. It really isn't anything much more than a group of students in a chatroom discussing topics and writing down the results. But it will have some orginization to keep it together and ensure credibility. However I stand beside my post in reference to Mr. Doobie's comment. |
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monkai - Student |
Why do we need a committee when we can just get a group of students get in a chat room and talk about it. And send it to the council? |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Yeah, what Doobie said, I think that's the good middle road between keeping it simple and making it well balanced. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I think this might start a continuous discussion about this place, better than the normal discussion. I don't think it will create a gap between staff and students, on the contrary, i think it will make students more aware of the efforts of the staff managing the academy. We must however prevent this to be wrapped in regulations and procedures, as that will decrease the effectiveness of the whole concept. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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I posted other because I don't know now. But It could still be a good idea. This way the council can EXPECT a few peoples descriptions every month or two or whenever would be decided. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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Ken: you can still have 10 people discuss something and send one person to tell us about it without having all these elections and such... it's called a private chat room _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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w000t doobz agreed with me, pwned!! _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side 
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Then again (just playing devil's advocate here) it's not easy for us little folk to appear on the radar at all. It is easy to contact the Council, like Doobie said, but that's not the same thing. Instead of ten people running up to a JAC, they can discuss it between themselves first and then one person steps forward and explains it. This will also ensure a more complete viewpoint. On the other side of the argument, KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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Just make a poll in the forums to actually see how many people are interested, generally. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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doobie - Jedi Council
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As i mentioned, I"m not saying "no, you can't do the committee"... i'm just saying that, beyond email, which is admittedly impersonal, there's forum and profile posts, IRC, and server chatting... i just don't think there's anything that can be mentioned that we haven't at least heard of, let alone discussed. the council discusses a lot of things that we never publicly act on... just because we don't do something doesn't mean we're not DOING anything about it, if that makes sense _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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This is nothing that the JAK's can't do. They are, after all, technically students. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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I think its a good idea. Sorry D., but sometimes am e-mail can feel so impersonal. I think the students that are selected will feel more involved if they can sit down and voice their opinion and have instant feedback. Give the student, say, 1 weeks notice that they have been selected, they can then collect suggestions on things other would like to be brought up. Choose the few important ones, and talk about them in the meeting. This would also save the Council's time becasue they wont have to respond the 20 emails. I think it would do only good for the Academy. Just my 2 cents. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Tido - Student
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I think that Mr. Doobie has the time invested and the knowledge that makes his opinion extremely valuable. He and the rest of the JAC have been running this academy for awhile and have a good concept on how to make it work. Now having seen his thoughts on the matter, I think it's best we don't persue this. If the JAC isn't interested in the idea then it will never work. This comment was edited by Tido on Apr 21 2004 05:23am. |
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doobie - Jedi Council
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Alright, i've been keeping up with this for long enough to know that it's my turn to talk. basically, if you guys want a student committe, that's fine with me, but it's not official in any way... and frankly i'm afraid you're wasting your time. If we had like 10,000 members, maybe a student committee would be feasible, but we don't, we have around 1200. If you have any problems, us JACs ALWAYS encourage you to email us at fixtheja@hotmail.com. Or you can post on the forums. Or you can talk to one of the trainers or knights. Or you can talk to us in the chatrooms. there are more than enough avenues to talk to us to get things on our radar screens. As we mentioned in the revamp document that spurred this, we keep track of things pretty well around here. i just think a student committee is simply unneeded. but hey, i won't stop you from making your own if you REALLY want to put the work on... I just don't expect that you'll tell us anything we don't already know _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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3th - Retired 
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ahhh, i gotcha. makes more sense now i guess i was just trying to say with the current tools, one can at least gauge if they are the only one that feels a certain way about something, or if many of the fellow JA members also feel the same way. don't let me slow the boat, i think this has potential _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! This comment was edited by 3th on Apr 21 2004 01:43am. |
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Tido - Student
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well, I think it shouldn't take a month for a committee to meet and decide that Aphex's spamming is bad, send a recomendation to the council, and then hope the council takes action. Thats not the kind of matters I thought the committee should deal with. This is to critique the orginization of the JA, not a policing force. Its a broader spectrum rather than pointing something out here and there. It is the formation of stratigic observation and planning. |
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3th - Retired
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i think the idea has merit, but i would like to clarify the point that Jake just brought up. the nature of the internet and forums and polls really takes care of a lot of the work that would be involved in getting peoples opinions and other things like that. for example, say i've noticed a disturbing trend of Aphex laming people on the server. i could make a post about it and add a poll asking if anyone has ever been lamed by Aphex. this provides valuable feedback to everyone here at the JA about the lameness of Aphex. now one can apply the same idea to something more useful like, say i thought there should be a class that is devoted entirely to blue stance. i could make a post and add a poll asking, "would you take a blue stance only class if one were offered?" if 32 people reply "yes" to that then that would hopefully get the attention of a JAT and a blue stance class might appear. i guess i'm just saying use the tools we have here at your disposal. if they don't satisfy what needs to be done, then look at other ways of solving the problem. glad to see all this good discussion going on though. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Tido - Student
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Ok, try this on for size: Selection of the Committee Chairperson: Each of the JAKs will nominate 1 student for the role and the reason for their recomendation. Then the JAC will chose who out of the list is the Chairperson. This way we don't have to deal with the hassle of elections and people who are active and care will be selected (as the JAKs are very attentive to this). Re-selection of the Chairperson: The JAC has the right to chose the former chairperson if they so desire. Selection of the Committee members: Those wishing to serve as members will post their interest and reason for serving. The Chairperson hand picks the 10 members. This way the Chairperson can make the judgement on who is active and who is not. He/she should strive to make the distribution as evenly as possible. He/She will not be tempted to make this a popularity contest because the lower quality of the members he/she picks will result in more work for the Chairperson. This comment was edited by Tido on Apr 20 2004 09:41pm. |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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Not to spoil your moment or anything but is this neccessary ? If you havea an idea, a problem or anything like that, want to let the council know how you're doing, how the academy could improve etc.. tell em yourself! You don't need to wait to join a commitee to get your voice heard, just tell someone. This place is complicated enough as it is with all the different titles, departments etc. But what the hey, if you wanna go ahead with this I'm sure no one will stop you (since the council doesn't need to conform to any of your ideas, you don't need their permission for this ) _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Feh - profile numbers forever! _______________ Website This comment was edited by JamesF1 on Apr 20 2004 09:10pm. |
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Katan - Student 
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Choosing by ID#'s is just plain silly, imo. It should be done by who the students want to elect. If "Bob" should be elected, but 2 ppl from the 2000 ID# have already been picked, and he has an ID in the 200's? He doesnt get elected, even if he's deserving? Not right in my book. Also, what about re-election? Can someone who has done a good job be re-elected, or is it a 1 time thing? Just my thoughts. Also, take note, the JAC's dont know EVERY single student, so, what happens if they dont know a student? I dont think JAC's have the time to go hunting down students to get to down them So maybe have JAK+ or something elect, or JAT+ or something to the affect help the JAC's out. Thoughts? _______________ This comment was edited by Katan on Apr 20 2004 09:06pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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It could be done by profile numbers, but cmad is right. It isn't entirly fair. EVERYONE should be allowed to enter. It should be picked with votes as well. There should be a thread open for it. People will be able to post in it. Anyone posting will have entered. There should be a dead-line as well. This means that if someone not very active comes along and sees the thread, but closed. They are not going to enter if they are fairly inactive. After this thread, there should be anyone OTHER THAN the people who entered to be saying names of people they think should be selected, just like the knight recommendation thread except people who entered are unable to post themselfs or someone else. The people voted for the most should be the chosen people. How about that? This comment was edited by Setementor on Apr 20 2004 08:58pm. |
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