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The "Official" JA Logo Contest
Apr 26 2004 08:11am

3th
 - Retired
3th
i wanted to call this the "official" JA logo contest, but i think i should get a JAC blessing first :) (edit: yea, got DJ's blessing!)

anyway, we now have a Logo Contest folder on our msn groups collection. so get out your copy of illustrator, photoshop, corel draw, ms paint, or whateva you got, and give it a rip. :D

also if anyone wants to submit something but is too lazy to sign up for the ja photo collection group then just e-mail it to me and i'll post it for you. (please keep the size reasonable.)

visit the msn groups folder here: JA Logo Contest

i put in a few images i knocked out a while back for the JAA when aphex was making that site. nothing fantastic mind you. please feel free to post stuff for feedback and comments from the public here :)
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This post was edited by 3th on Apr 28 2004 05:33pm.

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Jul 15 2004 05:07am

DJ Sith
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 DJ Sith

Well we've discussed it. Thanks for waiting everyone. I'll be frank. None of the entries really caught our eye. SO... This poll has the top five entries. We're going to leave a poll open for one week. The winner of this poll will work into their design into something we want to have on our stuff and work it into a format that can work with cafe press. Here are the entries. Now get to voting. :)

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3
4
5
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May 01 2004 05:58am

DJ Sith
 - Jedi Council
 DJ Sith

To sweeten the deal a little.. the winner of this gets one free item ordered form our new store with YOUR logo on it. This can be a shirt, mug, thong, lunchbox, or whatever. :)

I don't want a logo that shouts "HEY LADIES DONT COME NEAR THIS ONE! HE'S A JEDI". I like minimalism in a logo design. Some tidbits. :)
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This comment was edited by DJ Sith on May 01 2004 06:05am.

Apr 28 2004 05:18pm

3th
 - Retired
 3th

here are some ground rules approved by DJ_Sith himself:

1. DO NOT use any copyrighted material. this means, no in-game screens of any Jedi Knight stuff. It would be ideal that whatever you create is all your own stuff. Also, be aware of any copyright issues on fonts you may have downloaded or acquired. Most font makers will let you use them however you like, they just like to know when they get used on something that's getting produced. DJ cannot stress how much he doesn't want you to use copyrighted stuff, so DON'T DO IT!

2. Make sure the idea (logo/text etc.) is reproducible at a high resolution for printing. (I.e. don't make a small image that looks good on the screen but will get all blurry and crap when blown up to a decent size and put on a T-shirt.) The ideal final format will be EPS, PDF, or some vector graphic format for ease of scaling.

3. The logo will go on a white (or light colored) background primarily, check the CafePress site for a full list of products. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/products/viewall.aspx (Ideally the logo should have NO background to it, but for preview purposes, please put it on top of white.)

4. The idea behind the logo is that it be in line with a corporate identity. I.e. meaning this logo can stand alone or have supporting text. It should look good when reproduced at a variety of sizes, from a bumper sticker to a wall poster.

5. The JAC's would like to see a variety of quality ideas, so treat this initial go around as brainstorming session. DJ and the JAC's have very high standards that they'd like to see upheld by representing the JA with a design that can stand next to the classic logos of our time (the NFL, yes the national football league, is actually a good place to look at how logos today can become powerful iconic statements. For example, compare the new Patriots logo to the old one. http://www.logoserver.com/NFL.html Newer logos such as the Texans, Falcons, Titans, and Patriots show how a logo can be relatively simple, yet make a bold statement.) Ideas will be refined and developed by anyone that wishes. The final decision does lie in the hand of the JAC's. But as usual they listen to everyones' thoughts :)
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This comment was edited by Orion on Apr 28 2004 06:18pm.


Jul 29 2004 12:23pm

Odan-Wei Belouve
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 Odan-Wei Belouve

It's ok Bail, I'll try that, I have a draft I'll show you. :D
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Jul 28 2004 11:06pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

Okay Odan

I've been trying to convert regular images to the correct size for usage as an icon, but each time (with IconEdit) the colors - form - whatever looks like crap

I was wondering if (when you're done, and take your time btw, I still got some work :P) you could perhaps do it with PS, or whatever you're using

I don't know if you happen to know the requirements for an icon, I think it's:
256 colors (or no colors for that matter)
16x16 pixels, 32 x 32 pixels (I've seen icons of both these sizes)

well anyway, I think that's the important part

I also don't know if there is like a function in PS for this, so I hope I'm not burdening you with a lot of work here ... if so you can always tell me, and I'll go with one of the flashy Windows-icons :P
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Jul 24 2004 11:41am

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

yes, that's absolutely no problem :)
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Jul 24 2004 02:02am

Odan-Wei Belouve
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 Odan-Wei Belouve

I have no problem at all :)
But maybe if you can wait like a week Bail, I'll send you the definitive logo ?
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Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur]
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Jul 23 2004 07:46pm

DJ Sith
 - Jedi Council
 DJ Sith

If Odan doesnt have a problem with it then neither do i. :)
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Jul 23 2004 02:37pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
 - Student
 Bail Hope of Belouve

Okay, a quick question directed to both JAC's and Odan-Wei :)

I've written a small program for the Academy (will be releasing shortly), but I'm lacking a nice Icon. I thought "What could be better than the real Jedi-Academy Logo?"
So I was wondering if I could use Odan-Wei's entry as a logo.

If so, it'll have to be remade by someone (just a little smaller:P 16 x 16 pixels to be exact :P) and I could use it?

Am I allowed to use it?
If not, you can also tell me, I won't mind :)
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I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion

Want to know Vladarion? Read the Article about his life here.


Jul 23 2004 10:36am

Odan-Wei Belouve
 - Student
 Odan-Wei Belouve

Thanks :D
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Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur]
Photoshop works: click here


Jul 23 2004 09:59am

Smilykrazy
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 Smilykrazy

congrats odan. :D
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Jul 21 2004 10:29am

Thomasooo
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 Thomasooo

Congrats on winning the logo contest, Odan! :D
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Jul 21 2004 03:00am

skankerkid
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 skankerkid

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Jul 20 2004 10:09am

_cmad_
 - Ex-Student
 _cmad_

Whoa, we got at least 166 active members :o
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Jul 20 2004 09:35am

Odan-Wei Belouve
 - Student
 Odan-Wei Belouve

Weeeee :D
/me table-dances
Can't wait to start working on this :)

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Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy :D - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! :D - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan ;) - [DJ is my beloved wife! :P - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur]
Photoshop works: click here


Jul 20 2004 05:05am

FaDed
 - Student
 FaDed

i can't wait to see you model a thong with his logo on it.

Jul 20 2004 03:57am

DJ Sith
 - Jedi Council
 DJ Sith

Welp a week is up and it looks like Odan's logo takes the cake! For getting this far Odan will get his pick of whatever piece of merch we put the logo on. Odan: we'll contact you to work any kinks out of the logo. Congratulations! :D

I can't wait to sip coffee from my very own JA mug. :D
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Jul 19 2004 03:14am

WindOfDeath
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 WindOfDeath

We have a store?
Refering to what tido was saying about MLB why not just change the colors in whats is used ? For example check out this site. http://www.bustedtees.com/in/ebaum/juan
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This comment was edited by WindOfDeath on Jul 19 2004 03:18am.

Jul 19 2004 01:12am

Tido
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 Tido

:(

Well first off copyrights wouldn't be the issue here I'm afraid. Selling and making profit off of another brand's identifiable mark would fall under 'dilution' in trademark infirngement.

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In addition to bringing an action for infringement, owners of trademarks can also bring an action for trademark dilution under either federal or state law. Under federal law, a dilution claim can be brought only if the mark is "famous." In deciding whether a mark is famous, the courts will look to the following factors: (1) the degree of inherent or acquired distinctiveness; (2) the duration and extent of use; (3) the amount of advertising and publicity; (4) the geographic extent of the market; (5) the channels of trade; (6) the degree of recognition in trading areas; (7) any use of similar marks by third parties; (8) whether the mark is registered. 15 U.S.C. ยง 1125(c). Kodak, Exxon, and Xerox are all examples of famous marks. Under state law, a mark need not be famous in order to give rise to a dilution claim. Instead, dilution is available if: (1) the mark has "selling power" or, in other words, a distinctive quality; and (2) the two marks are substantially similar. Mead Data Central, Inc. v. Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc., 875 F.2d 1026 (2d Cir. 1989).

Once the prerequisites for a dilution claim are satisfied, the owner of a mark can bring an action against any use of that mark that dilutes the distinctive quality of that mark, either through "blurring" or "tarnishment" of that mark; unlike an infringement claim, likelihood of confusion is not necessary. Blurring occurs when the power of the mark is weakened through its identification with dissimilar goods. For example, Kodak brand bicycles or Xerox brand cigarettes. Although neither example is likely to cause confusion among consumers, each dilutes the distinctive quality of the mark. Tarnishment occurs when the mark is cast in an unflattering light, typically through its association with inferior or unseemly products or services. So, for example, in a recent case, ToysRUs successfully brought a tarnishment claim against adultsrus.com, a pornographic web-site. Toys "R" Us v. Akkaoui, 40 U.S.P.Q.2d (BNA) 1836 (N.D. Cal. Oct. 29, 1996).


Typically if the MLB were to discover the JA selling items bearing a logo of that similarity, they would write a stern cease and desist letter demanding that the selling of the items stop immediately. If the JA was to continue then massadoobie or DJ Sith may find themselves in some trouble.

Anyways I hate feeling like I'm spoiling the fun, but someone has to point this out. It would be terrible to see the JA or its leaders get in any kind of trouble.

Jul 19 2004 12:56am

R2D2
 - Staff
 R2D2

Yea, it sort of looked like the MLB logo to me also.
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Jul 19 2004 12:25am

3th
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 3th

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Those who use another's work, and or copy righted material for the purposes of branding-- if not copied in detail -- will face no risk. If the person / company in whom which you were using material is a direct competitor as the person / company, you may face personal liability.

PLUS, the boiler plate at the bottom of EVERY page on this site covers us too. Or DJ could not be using the imperial / rebel graphics himself for this site, which he has. :)

-DM-



no worries Tido, DM the copyright guru has cleared us :D
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Jul 18 2004 04:27pm

Tido
 - Student
 Tido

I think #5 is one of the most creative ideas, when I first saw it I loved it. But something I want to remind the JA is that if these logos were put on an item and sold for $ - no matter what the intentions - there could be legal consequences for using something so similar to the trademarked logo for Major League Baseball.

The following are trademarks or service marks of Major League Baseball entities and may be used only with permission of Major League Baseball Properties, Inc. or the relevant Major League Baseball entity: Major League, Major League Baseball, MLB, the silhouetted batter logo, World Series, National League, American League, Division Series, League Championship Series, All-Star Game, and the names, nicknames, logos, uniform designs, color combinations, and slogans designating the Major League Baseball clubs and entities, and their respective mascots, events and exhibitions.

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Which sucks cause I think no harm would come to MLB for it, but I would hate to see the JA get in trouble.

Jul 18 2004 01:30pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

OMG

I don't think I've seen a poll this big

141 people have voted already...
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I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion

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Jul 18 2004 10:02am

Everybody
 - Student
 Everybody

EVERYONE VOTE FOR 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hard decision, very hard, methinks 1 is second... but it's WINNING! Aaahhh, who cares, they're both good:D
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Jul 18 2004 09:03am

JamesF1
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 JamesF1

*Votes for #3*
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Jul 18 2004 02:55am

Arion
 - Student
 Arion

My favorite is #3 but #1 is also good.:cool:

Jul 18 2004 02:47am

Ruuk Haviser
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 Ruuk Haviser

Me like # 3. It's classy. =)

-rh
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Jul 17 2004 02:56pm

Ataris
 - Milwaukees Finest
 Ataris

I think everybody should take a look on #2!!!
I <3 it.. I mean, just by changing the font a little, and maybe making those borders around the font a little thinner that would make an awesume logo.. And this was not the final logo we're going to choose, as DJ said it's gonna be worked on by the JAC's and the artist him/herself, so I suggest you vote on THAT basis, not on how they look like now, but on the concept/idea and meaning.. that's the most important imho..
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