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This is what happens when the staff has a meeting... -DJ Sith - Jan 12 10:38am |
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Howdy all. We had another long and... exciting... meeting today! Here's what we discussed:
That's the long and the short of it. A few students observed the meeting to see what goes on behind the curtains. A log of the meeting is here. Read it if you have a few hours to kill and like reading VERY dry and boring stuff.  Anyhow, I'm turning in for the evening. Good night all and keep training!
Two quick notes from massadoobie... If you can't take classes, and therefore can't get "promoted", IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Seriously, the points were added to encourage people to take classes, which is the point of this entire site. If you're not able to get promoted, does that mean you still can't have fun? NO. I apologize to those of you who really can't take classes because of time differences, we're working on that issue... but if you're going to complain about the points because it means you can't get promoted, you should find other things to worry about, promotions don't matter in the long run, they're just "goals", not "requirements" On another note, Silent Whisper has moved on to bigger and better things (aka she got a scholarship to college and doesn't have time or access for the JA). We wish her the best of luck and have a funny feeling she'll drop in every once in a while. She didn't want a post dedicated to her departure, but I feel that she did so much for us, it deserves to be mentioned (plus this post talks about a lot of other stuff ) |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Well,
Since the points idea, and the protection trial idea were both from me, I should clarify them. And I thank you guys for not going ballistic on me becuase of my proposals. So I'll clarify what I thought. Again, this is what I THOUGHT, and proposed, not what IS. Yes, if you attend a class again, you should get points. I LOVE going back to classes again. Sometimes in classes, I show up to help teach, but I end up going to the student side, to learn something again. It's like a gym. I may run faster than all of you, but I need to be training just as much (if not more) as everyone else. But I do encourage a variety of classes, not just going to combo class 25 times. Also, if you work one-on-one with a JAK/JAT/JAC, you should get a point. This is up to the teacher's discretion. If you ask "How do I do a YDFA?", and I teach you how, sorry, but no point for that. However, if it is noticed that you do something that falls in line with being a good Jedi member, we can drop a point in there. My idea was to put into effect something that helps us to gauge how active someone is in training. Read the very top of this page. It says: THE JEDI ACADEMY THE place for Jedi Training. So we just rate how much you are training. We want good people, who have good skills. This just helps us rate what is going on. Operative word: HELPS We still have the regular way of doing things, of how we deem you ready for a trial. This just lets us know a bit more about what you do. And ultimately, it's meant to help you guys out. If you have 53 points, but can't really do a FF Duel well, we might take the fact of your points into account (hell, I still suck at the pit). However, if you go for Knight, with just barely the 20 points, and can't do FF well at all...we'll probably say to try more training. The solution to all the failed trials is: Do more training. I just proposed this to help us out. Now...onto the protection thing. I drew this from Jedi Lore. I study a lot about what being a Jedi was about. And I picked up a book where they detail the Knight trials. This was one of the options, a protection thing. I also thought it would work well to bring a bit of a balance to fighting skill. I've tried it a bit, and it really takes good movement, a great awareness, and control of your attacks. There are so many Knights, Trainers, and Council members that are just good at unleashing a huge amount of destruction towards their opponent. And they make the high rank. But, if you know Jedi Lore, it's all about control. Using WHAT is necessary, WHEN it is necessary, WHERE it is necessary. And you know what that will help? Using admin powers, which you get when a Knight. You need to prove you can use WHAT admin power is necessary, WHEN it is necessary, WHERE it is necessary. This will help to develop that. So, I hope that all this pans out. Really, if you have any questions to what I proposed, let me know. And Council, this should help clarify what I intended too, but you are the Council. We all work with you. Council can likewise ask me what I mean, which they haven't had a problem doing. Also, if you've noted the forums, I'm finishing up the rank insignia. Hop over there for more info. Whew...I write and do a lot for the Academy. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired 
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Shang, I don't thing you will get the retroactive points. But like DJ mentioned in the post abaut the new system you can talk to a JAC or JAT that as knows taht you attend classes and try to get some extra points.
Bubu, yes you will get a second point or a third. But I think that will be up to the JAT's if you may attend the class or not. Example: If you drop by my Learner preparation class I will probably let you watch it but not take it, as you are a Journey man. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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ohh and also... what if you take the exact same class twice? do you get 2 points? _______________ make install -not war |
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Shang Chi - Student 
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Wondering whether will get points for classes already taken between trials. I am a learner now and have taken several classes but have not posted for j-man yet because I wanted to be sure I was ready. Will these classes be retroactive or are we starting fresh today. Just need some clarification. Thanks _______________ Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness. |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired 
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Oh. I think DJ forgot to mention this.
Getting the points for Knight will only make you elegible for nomination. So the old nomination system is still on. This means that we can only nominate guys that we see fit for the job and have the minimum points. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired
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Rob, If you are already at the J-man trial list you will get your points automaticaly. Only after the new system is implemented the points will start to be added by classes and required by trials.
Lets say I've enrolled for learner trial. If the system would start today I would be given 5 points. The five points required for Learner. After doing the trial I would have tostart working for J-man. So I would only be allowed to enroll for J-Man trial after gathering the rest of the points required. After atending some classes I would be ready. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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I think I've taken one class since I started here, and according to DJ, I'm in the "first 100 members" group 
I've also only taken one trial test. I passed the written for the J-man trial, but just haven't felt the need to bug a JAT to get the ball rolling on the ingame trial. Rank means nothing to me. Rank does not equal respect here...that's something earned by your actions, not by a tag you wear. I'm here because I like the casual environment, I like being able to practice my jedi skills, and I like being able to help other people learn their way around the game. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Rob_Keller - Ex-Student |
ok...one small question....If I passed my Jman exam...do I still need the points to go for the trial??? I've been trying to get it done 'cuz I attended lots of classes... Anyways...I do think it is a better system with the points 'cuz this way...we can know how much work people put into gainning the rank. I mean, this way, no freeloaers.... Anyways...at my girlfriend's house and needed alot of convincing to even post here so...Adios Doos and talk to ya all Later
May the Force be with you but... If you only knew the power of the Dark Side P.S. JJ 4 Ever  _______________ My ally is the Dark Side. And an extremely powerful ally it is. |
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Icco - Student 
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i have to admit i have a very bad record of signing up for a class(wich happens very unoften) and then forgetting to show up. though i know im not the only one, sorry. _______________ "this is Icco. Icco is old. Icco is lost. Icco is cool, but Icco doesn't know what the meaning of 'macrophageal sex'." - Vaughn /Icco |
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Arcuss - Student 
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Keep in mind that the point system was arrived at because of the fact that people were not attending classes, and focusing on just climbing the ranks as quickly as possible. The Academy was started as a place to train people which is why they have classes. The ranks were just added to try and bring some fun to the experience, and give people goals to strive for. Unfortunately the ranks had the opposite effect, and it became a race to trial instead of train. As I suggested before perhaps extra points can be awarded to students that help JATs with the newer and slower learners. That way you can retake classes and still get something out of them, as well as help out both JATs and other students. In this way the classes don't really become redundant, because by helping the JATs you learn what it is like to try and teach other people. As far as the Padawan thing goes, that is really between a Padawan and his Master as it is not required by the Academy, and not everyone has the opportunity to be a Padawan. I don't feel that should have any bearing on the points system. Just my opinions if you agree, good. If you disagree, good. -Arcuss |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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well from what i heard from JATs and JACs, there soon will be more JATs... and with more JATs, more classes. Also, I heard you will get points for other things, like helping others outside of class and just generally being a good guy _______________ make install -not war |
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Kit Fisto [JAP] - Ex-Student ![Kit Fisto [JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=69&f_height=70&f_image=lord_ocp.jpg&f_odd=1)
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My question is...
Is there any place on the site where I can see How many point I have ?? I think that would be great. I really want to know. And what about people who train everyday with their private master ?? |
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Eternal_Silence - Ex-Student 
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Maybe a solution to the time zone differences is to specifically train representatives of different time zones to become JATs. Then the people in their time zones will be able to attend classes |
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Kalheka - Student 
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Perhaps you Jak's and Jat's that like to teach could give points on an individual basis outside of classes?
That may defeat the point of what your trying to do with classes, but it seems to me like the point system takes away advancement from us padawans in a way too. If the only way to accrue points is in class, then a padawan who gets individual attention has to take a redundant class to gain points. I posted this before I read Dice's comment, I'm saying the same thing _______________ Death is only the beginning. This comment was edited by Kalheka on Jan 12 2003 03:49pm. |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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ok i don't know if this was said, but i think that points should be givin for private tutoring as well as classes. This would work out for the people that can't take classes. I say this because i personally have never taken a class, but still have progressed a long ways. I learned everything in private tutoring. Well theres my two bits that i always have
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired
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Hello folks.
Conserning the matter of ppl allerady envolved on the knight selection process , the same rules for learner or J-Man migration are also applyed. Meaning, when dj changes de system on the web page you will get the minimum points for knight added automatically. Regarding the class schedulles. Whel as you know we have 3 European JAT's, and 3 European JAK's at the moment. And i think the only reason why classes are so late is because ppl wouldnt show up for the early ones. Thats what appened with mine. I started by setting my classes for 9 PM GMT and no one showed their face (no euro guys and it was too early for the americans). So I started setting them to 11 PM GMT, this way both euro and USA folks could attend it. Belive me I would ratter do them earlyer, I do have to get up early for work the next day eheh. The same probably applies to the other trainers. I also think that a lot of ppl have the time offset incorrectly setted on their profile. so they get the class schedulles wrong. Also if a JAT cant make the class usually there is a JAK ready to replace him. SaltyDJ, you really should call the idea stupid just because it isn't pratical for you. I mean If i had just entered the Academy I would be the same situation as you. I wouldnt be able to attend many classes. Now if you complaint abaut not having classes at for your time then you are right. I think there are a lot more of Euro folks then a few months ago so classes at euro times are needed. But dont worry I'm quite sure that teh council is working on that. Oh , eheh, get your country in your profile. We cant just guess the students nationality .
Now seriusly guys, get your profiles filled with some of the most usefull info. If you dont want to say your real name thats ok, but nationality and stuff like that are most helpfull to understand yuor problems and studing solutions. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" |
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Arcuss - Student 
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I like the points idea myself. In fact I want to start at initiate and do it all over. That would be better than waiting around for my Knighthood potential to be noticed. Maybe DJ could just keep my rank but start my points at zero.
As for the people that feel they can't benefit by taking classes they've already attended. I would like to suggest that they be granted extra points (say 2 instead of 1) for going to classes they have mastered, and helping out the slower learners. This way the JAT can keep the pace he wishes, and the slower learners can have more individualized help away from the main class. This also gives prospective Knights a chance to practice teaching skills. Just some thoughts from your friendly neighborhood Arcuss. |
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Eclipse DKana - Student 
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hooray 2 Chosen!!! |
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Blade_Knight - Student 
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lol, I'm with Nimravus, J-Man 4 life! _______________ -=Brother to Nightcrawler and JediKnight13=- "I've been told my style is crasy and visually confusing."~Mikel Rider |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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um, didnt see anyone ask what will happen to people who are already half way through thei JAK trial. Will I have to do the protect thingie?
Congrats chosen(though I already did I think) _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Nimravus - Student 
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Well looks like I will be a J-Man 4 life! Unless you guys offer some more advanced classes. Oh well like DJ said in the post you dont need rank to have fun! _______________  Nimravus
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Acura Belouve - Student 
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Im kinda of shaky on the new rules i dont totaaly agree with them I mean yes peopel do nag the JAT to death and shoudl only havea trial for a trial class i agree with that but the point system im really against nto everybody can attend classes and this means classes are goign to be very full and what if the JAT or JAC cant make it thats means the entire class is screwed but for the. So i have mixed feelings for the new system _______________ |
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Chainer - Ex-Student 
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classes u have already take will not vount towards points correct?
Congrats chosen and good job guys |
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Blade_Knight - Student 
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I like the idea of this point system, but so far it's not working in my favor. I've taken almost all the classes on the class list. The ones I haven't taken are either full, or much too late for me to attend. Oh well . _______________ -=Brother to Nightcrawler and JediKnight13=- "I've been told my style is crasy and visually confusing."~Mikel Rider |
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Rampage - Student 
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How do you know how many points you have? (class thing) |
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