| Cheater! -Sared - May 18 04:00am | |
This is a bit of an old topic, but while I was on the pubs today I realised, 'Hey, I could re-hash this!'  When Jedi Outcast was still the main flavor in the Academy, there were big arguements as to whether or not some moves were 'cheap' or not. One such move, of which I am extremely guilty of spamming  , was called the kickDFA. You would do a foward kick to your opponet which knocked him onto his back, and when you touched ground again, execute a red DFA which would land right on him. I can remember seeing quite a few duels won in which the victor was accused of being 'cheap'. This raises the question of design. Did the developers ever intend for this to even be an executeable move, or is it simply a glich, an exploit, in the game? I cannot count the number of times I have played an arcade-style fighting game and either wasted, or hath otherwise been wasted. In some extreme cases, an utter 'own', has occured. Allow me to familiarize you with some of our game terminology. 'Beatdown': Victor has more than half health remaining in final match. 'Wasted': Victor has won both matches, with more than half health in both matches. 'Owned': Victor's health bar is still green above his/her name. A common refrence in the Mortal Kombat series. Yes, these are the technical terms, used by intellects and scholars around the world. Yes, we have no lives, now what was that about 'reality'?  In many matches, when someone gets 'owned', that person is usaully very unhappy about it. Either a) They believe they should have won the match with their superior abilities, or b) They believe that their opponet has used some sort of unfair move and/or exploit to thier advantage. For quite a time now, my opinion has been this: If it is in the game 'naturally', then use it. If your opponet continually uses 'cheap' moves, then play around him, turn his strategy against him. Unless he knows some combo that will instantly kill you by means of explosive 'derp-coated' fireballs, deal with it. But then, its not about me is it? It's all about you. What do you think? |
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D'Loko - Ex-Student 
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I don't think kickDFA is a cheap move, because it never posed a treat to me. If you find yourself a constant victim of an unevitable kickDFA move, maybe it's time to question your technique? _______________ Owner of the Gradius Telegraphman Award |
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Caos - Ex-Student 
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i think that any move which you have at your disposal is not cheep cos if it thier and not used whats the point of it then  i mean yer sum r anoying but i dont think its called cheep well thats how i feel in FFA. But in a duel its differant i dunno its just the honer of a duel that changes the opinion coz thats what duels about honer Caos  _______________ they way of the sith is the way of my life |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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I loved the KickRDFA. Though I never used it in duels really, just in FFA's |
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n00b - Student 
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Its not surprising to me to see Jedi people say things like "if its in the game don't complain." Games undergo a testing period and I highly doubt that every single thing that can be done in a game can be found during that stage. When the game is released to the public, the vast number of people find the flaws. The flaws sometimes are voiced in forums, chat rooms, or web pages. Here in the Jedi world, they are passed on mainly by word of mouth and teaching because its so dang hard to describe the flaws in X number of words. If you know the flaw you can think about countering its exploitation, but most people don't want to think that hard. They just want to play and have fun. So its not surprising that there are the number of people complaining about the flaws and the exploitation of those flaws. Once they learn they can try to adapt, so we teach them. Its just a shame that these things even need to be taught at all. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... This comment was edited by n00b on May 30 2004 04:21am. |
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Daidalus[JAP] Fisto - Student ![Daidalus[JAP] Fisto](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=49&f_height=70&f_image=3482.jpg){kind=small}
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its a good fealing to beat a player who uses that 'weired' moves, while you dont use them. most of times you win with much hp becouse they have not much skill, only their moves. after a few duels they will stop to fight you becouse they recognise that skill is always better than tricky moves. i've seen players (on publics too) who just owned all others with pure skill. and they deserve a lot more respect than players who win becouse of naughty tricks. so if you want only to win, it doesnt matter how you win. but if you want to fight, its your desition how honorable you are. and remember: youre not forced to fight players you dont want to fight ;-) greatings, daid _______________ Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote: fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"
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DJK - Student 
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ROFL Jade! This comment was edited by DJK on May 23 2004 02:42pm. |
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bluntaxe - Ex-Student 
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theres that L word again |
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Jade - Student 
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Agree totally with Tido. Love getting pwnd by a good duelist...skill in motion...gives me something to aspire to as I'm trying to learn. As for the guy with the cheap tricks....I'm sad for him. MUCH respect to those who'd rather use raw skill in a duel than to resort to tricks...as for those who rely on tricks...you are missing SOoooooooo much....why not try laming...its almost as satisfying and honorable....?   _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" This comment was edited by Jade on May 21 2004 01:33am. |
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Tido - Student 
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If its in the game, its in the game...no point in complaining. Some players have their egos supergluded to their scores and take losing seriously. Players with a bit more sense realize that this is just a game and who cares if you get owned. Kudos to the guy that owns you - cause you're gonna try your hardest to not make it easy for him. If he still gets it by some move of cunning, repetition, or power then good for him! When it happens have a good laugh, get your seat set a little more comfortable, lean in, and try to use that brain of yours to figure it out. Where I draw the line is when someone is completely disrespectful in their actions. Example: one student here (who will go unnamed) was having a series of duels with me when he began to act very rude. He would race across the room to challenge me - stopping directly in front of me. Then after the challenge was accepted, he would whip out a quick yellow strike on me, jump back, and then bow. After about 3 or 4 sucker punches, I just started accepting the challenges from a distance. That wasn't to his liking so he developed other methods of lowering my hp at every moment outside a duel. I now just ignore the guy. He did a few other classy things, but I think I've made my point. The 'golden rule' applies here too. This comment was edited by Tido on May 20 2004 08:27pm. |
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Storm - Ex-Student 
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I recon that its a move that naturaly occurs in the game so you should be able to use it. If you dont like it try to avoid it. _______________ Storm |
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Sared - Retired 
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My rule of thumb is that whenever you get trapped in a corner like Ash mentioned, then you should have been good enough NOT to get trapped in the corner. In short, it was your own stupid fault, so get over it. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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bluntaxe - Ex-Student 
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The point this article makes is one that internet gamers always seem to raise when they lose (Not saying anything about Sared, its just a given fact). It is this position that has given rise to the the concept of 'lamers', that is - Someone who loses to much, uses a type of weapon to much, doesnt use a type of weapon enough, uses a tactic to much, doesnt use a tatic enough, uses a move to much, or is to good at a game. Personally, I cant play on a public server of pretty much any game, for more then an hour without some player calling another player a 'lamer' or something to that effect, and as I said before, it almost always happens when someone dies. If someone uses an illegal hack or actually cheats in that he changes the games programming so that he has an advantage that other players dont have, i.e wall hack, then sure, thats cheating, but as long as a player is doing something that the original, unaltered game permits, to me that seems to be a perfectly legal thing to do. Isn't it after all, the entire point of the game to avoid these tactics, weapons, etc and come up with a better way to defeat the enemy? What do you think? |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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im a firm believer that if the move is in the game and you dont like it then learn to aviod it. but some times exploits are just that, exploits. and some exploits cannot be stopped and that can just be unfair. i remeber back in the day i would fight my friends in 2d fighting games and they would always do what i called "corner fighting". since this was a 2d side-scrolling game the characters would stop at an invisible wall if pushed to far to the edge. well my friends would exploit that by pushing my character to the invisible wall and then repeadtly hit me. since im stuck against a wall i cant really do anything about that (depending on the game, block might not work). and to make matters worse they usually used to the same move over and over again to boot. at least back then your opponent was right next to you so you could hand them a true RL beatdown if they piss you off too much. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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