| The recent beheadings in Iraq. Eprees ur feelings. | |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student  |
I was searching on the Internet yesterday and stumbled on the video of the British fellow. The unfortunate British fellow. I couldn't watch it all the way through. I can't describe the way I feel about it. Lets just say the darkside is surging within me. How do you feel? _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: I am completely disgusted with this comment. I don't even know what to write. I can't believe anyone would think this, or express that anyone needs to make you believe that terrorism is bad. This is sick. I'm sorry you feel that way Tido. I'm not saying Bush somehow said: "hehe, let's somehow make them hate Iraqi's by posting those things all over the net" I'm not saying they did it, or even did it intentionally, I'm just saying that it worked very well for them. I don't even have to look at numbers to know that a lot of young people actually joined the army after 9/11, and I don't even doubt at least some of them said: "Let's go waste some Iraqi's!" Personally, I don't feel it was emphasized enough that not all Iraqi's, Iranians, etc, are terrorists. I know they're not. But it should be over-emphasized that Al Quaida is just someone who takes a radical belief into the Koran and (as I've heard) twists everything around. This fundamental knowledge which is needed is missing with a lot of young people. I'm not saying their all Americans. They can be Belgian, French, etc whatever _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Buzz - Student 
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Its not the news organizations putting the beheadings up on the internet. Except for the possibility of agencies like Al-Jazeera. Most of the Websites hosting these are terrorist websites. And the fact is that once terrorists get the idea that they can get away with doing something they'll keep doing it. They blew up trains in Spain to influence an election, don't think that will be the last time they'll try to do that. They've threatened to behead a foreigner unless the country leaves Iraq, and since the country did as it asked the terrorists are going to keep doing it untill its becoming ineffective. And not to sound cruel and heartless, but 12,000 civilians dead in Iraq, That would be a pretty slow day in Saddam's Iraq. The fact is that the war on terrorism is and should be treated as a war. You aren't going to stop or even contain it by treating them as crooks. They see it as a war so saying it isn't is just being blind. They're not hostage takers to be negotiated with by the police. They're not committing crimes where you can just bust in and arrest them to be put on trial. They're not drug dealers/smugglers to be tracked and busted by the FBI. They're acting as soldiers in a war, and their enemy is everything that isn't the same as them. Don't think that just because you don't agree with the United States and think that what George Bush is wrong, doesn't make you a target. They want your ideals gone just as much as him. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Sep 27 2004 03:43pm. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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I don't understand how you translate "the military kills civillians" into "You're all a bunch of evil murderers!" Anyway, it's about the beheadings. If you want to argue the war in general, go to the places I visit and argue with people like me. I'm done with the subject. This comment was edited by Mookie on Sep 27 2004 10:32am. |
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Tido - Student 
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Sry Kenneh, I don't care how 'factual' you think your site is. As a member of the US armed forces with numerous friends in Iraq, I know those guys aren't shooting up civilians. It just isn't what we're about. Unfortunatly it happens sometimes, but I'm sick and tired of having people make us into evil murders. One friend is in the hospital right now because he saw a terrorist fire a grenade into a newly opened school then run into it. Cpl Marty Springer and another Marine ran in afterwards and began to evacuate the students as he wasn't sure where the terrorist was. They found eachother in a hallway where he got shot in the stomach but he was able to get the two terrorists before they could do worse (another apparently was in there too, he isn't sure where he came from). The teacher, the last to leave the room with him, wasn't as lucky. This isn't on the front page, it isn't on the back page, it's not in a press release...I was told this chatting with a friend who just got back, when I took him to a baseball game over a couple hotdogs. He, like Marty, is another good guy, doing what he had to, doing what he believes in. He wears on his arm a shiet token given to him by a young man grateful for the changes in his country. He has in his house cards from children who just learned how to write. He has the firm knowledge that he did the right thing. Kenyon it troubles me that you think of myself and others like me in such a terrible way. I hope one day your views on this war and what it's about will change. I wish all that is wrong in this world would just stop. This comment was edited by Tido on Sep 27 2004 09:53am. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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Actually, the majority of the deaths on that site are caused by US Military intervention, as explained by the header on that site. You don't need to be a wizard to figure out I'm against the war, but the source I quoted was factual, not biased (their methodology can be seen in their F.A.Q. section). However, it was just a supporting link. The real subject here are the beheadings, even if those are a part of the war, this is not a thread about the war in general. Just because I point out the atrocities the western world commits doesn't mean I can't see the atrocities on the other side as well. When I expressed these feelings in the past, I had a comment thrown to me similar to "do you really want Saddam in power that badly?". It's based on a false presumption: it's not a 'you're with us or you're against us' situation. I'm pointing out the whole situation is messed, on both sides. |
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Tido - Student
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Just to keep anyone from suspecting that Kenyon is shifting blame for civilian casualties in Iraq: I'm sure he knows that the vast majority of those are caused by terrorists and not by US soldiers. It's a shame that site that was linked displays quotes of US generals and none from terrorist leaders, but it's probably just something Kenyon forgot to explain. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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People there have been beheading people forever. It's not something that has surfaced recently, or something that is directed at americans. A polite way to phrase it would be to say 'they live in a very different world'. A blunt way to say it is that a lot of the times, they still act like animals. Real animals. No moral compass whatsoever. It's what you get when you're raised in a world like that. What I do hate is the videos. Obviously the terrorists make them, and the media receives them. But to publish them on the Internet for all to see is, frankly, sick. Of course it's your own prerogative to view whatever the hell you want, but seriously, watching people's death is not so much sick as it is a violation. How would you feel if you were about to be beheaded, knowing this event will be watched by thousands of people worldwide? By watching the videos, you're in a very small way contributing to the pain of the victims. And please, no more of this "if I'd watch those videos I'd head over there and kill Iraqi!". I hope we can avoid alpha male behaviour and realize what's going on there is very, very dangerous, and there has to be a different approach to stop the bloodshed. Going over there will only worsen the situation. Did you know at least 12.000 civillians have been killed over there? I'm talking Iraqi civillians. The whole place is a mess. Obviously we're not filming their deaths or beheading them - although we've been known of filming some pretty brutal stuff ourselves - but the situation is complex, and the beheadings are only part of that immense horror. We can only pray. End rant. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Personally i dont think a thread like this is a good idea. It stirs up bad emotions and causes arguments. I have a opinion but i prefer to keep it to myself.. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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well said Chosen...if i was to see any of these videos i would probably already be at Iraq..for thats how pissed off i would be...i cant even imagine what there families are going through..my prayers everyday are with them... _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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Tido - Student
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Quote: Yes, publishing those images/videos/etc is wrong, since they are war-propaganda, but this is like America's way to make you hate the terrorists. I am completely disgusted with this comment. I don't even know what to write. I can't believe anyone would think this, or express that anyone needs to make you believe that terrorism is bad. This is sick. |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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They're like animals, and they should be slaughtered like animals...I HATE THEM!!! _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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k0m3k - Student 
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yes true why are we watching this, is like we not respect them. this is very cruel and i dont like it at all, to cruel for us people to see and react on. |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Quote: there is so much one can take. when you watch a movie and see some guy's head get blown off, you have the solid and firm knowledge that this man did NOT die in the making of the film. (Except for "the crow" but thats a different story) Here is a TOTALLY different thing. you know that these people are loosing their lives, and that their final moments are being broadcasted all over the web. its (and kev i dont care if you delete this comment) <BLEEP BLEEP> DISGUSTING THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE THAT SICK AND IMMORAL TO PUBLISH THESE PEOPLE SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATHS OVER THE INTERNET FOR PEOPLE TO WATCH! SERIOUSLY! WTF IS THE WORLD COMING TO!?!?! I DONT CARE IF YOURE MUSLIM JEWISH CHRISTIAN OR HINDU. WHITE OR BLACK OR PURPLE FOR THAT MATTER! THERE ARE SOME THING THAT YOU JUST DONT DO. AND THIS IS <BLEEP BLEEP> ONE OF THEM! I know this is something important to alot of people. But try to keep the language clean. It isn't necessary. -HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: This comment was edited by Hardwired on Sep 25 2004 10:36am. |
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skankerkid - Student 
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all they are doing by publishing this is making them hate anyone who even looks like they were in the middle east for a month. yes it may make serious on their "demands" and may also grow hatred for terrorists, but all it is doing is giving them ammunition. _______________ Shout out to DJ Sith cause he's my big bro. Shout out to Debbie because she's my sister in-law. Also it aint cool if aint skewed. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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no bakeymono beheading people to force other people to do something is something you just don't do Yes, publishing those images/videos/etc is wrong, since they are war-propaganda, but this is like America's way to make you hate the terrorists. The problem is that it doesn't create hate towards the terrorists alone, it creates hate against the entire Islam, who for the majority, have nothing to do with Al Quadia, Al Zarkabi, or anyone of those <word I can't say> _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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skankerkid - Student
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there is so much one can take. when you watch a movie and see some guy's head get blown off, you have the solid and firm knowledge that this man did NOT die in the making of the film. (Except for "the crow" but thats a different story) Here is a TOTALLY different thing. you know that these people are loosing their lives, and that their final moments are being broadcasted all over the web. its (and kev i dont care if you delete this comment) <BLEEP BLEEP> DISGUSTING THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE THAT SICK AND IMMORAL TO PUBLISH THESE PEOPLE SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATHS OVER THE INTERNET FOR PEOPLE TO WATCH! SERIOUSLY! <WHAT> IS THE WORLD COMING TO!?!?! I DONT CARE IF YOURE MUSLIM JEWISH CHRISTIAN OR HINDU. WHITE OR BLACK OR PURPLE FOR THAT MATTER! THERE ARE SOME THING THAT YOU JUST DONT DO. AND THIS IS <BLEEP BLEEP> ONE OF THEM! _______________ Shout out to DJ Sith cause he's my big bro. Shout out to Debbie because she's my sister in-law. Also it aint cool if aint skewed. This comment was edited by Aron on Sep 25 2004 10:36am. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Why are people interested in watching this? This is people getting KILLED Who cares if good people or a terrible person, I dont care if its Bin Laden himself, I am not going to purposely choose to watch these people get murdered. Seriously just the though of it makes me pretty ill. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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