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Jarhok Belouve - Student  |
darth vadar at the height of his power or our fave oompa loompa yoda in a fair full force fight? _______________ -JARHOK BELOUVE- Unofficial Paddy to the great Squibit Belouve and Solitudes snog machine! |||||||||||||||||||||||PRONOUNCED JARHOK TEH S3X3H by Alexander D'kana||||||||||||||||||||||||| Loves Liso'sia! Uber new Belouve boy! My special people: Squibit Belouve,Roan Belouve,Bail Hope Belouve and of course the lovely Liso'sia! |
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Duffman - Student 
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that would depend on who's side of lucas's now frimly warped world that we all know and love you believe in. so some its a question of numbers (midichlorinans bah! his worst idea EVER!), or strength of will. meh! _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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thewind - Student |
Quote: brains > brawn Of course Yoda is wiser, but the question was who would win in a full force fight. |
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Duffman - Student
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brains > brawn _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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thewind - Student |
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Quote: Yoda knew, as the last Jedi Master, he would be the one needed to complete Luke Skywalker's training. So if Yoda was so powerful, what was he doing when there was tens of thousands of jedi around? If he can defeat vader then why not just put away 5 jedis for safe keeping to teach luke later, and he himself go fight vader? Because Vader was not alone himself. Consider Sidious. Yoda's power is not count in enemies defeated. That old master was a walking temple of wisdom, as his greatest ability, imo, was forseeing future. And as it was meant to happen: All jedi die, Yoda hides near the lair filled with a dark side of the force to survive, and to train one last remaining Jedi - Son of Skywalker, the chosen one. Who would (and we know he did) defeat Vader, after Vader himself takes care of Sidious. Imagine Yoda, not Luke, vader's son, trying to convince vader to return to the good side of the force. With Sidi around. Oh man, we'd see a lightning fest, and a frying Whill  Only Luke was meant to make Vader return to good. And all other Jedi were meant to die. Yoda knew that. Why would he stand against Vader then, who, as we pointed out, has Sidious as his master ? And I suppose Sidious is so powerful that tens of thousands of jedi couldn't handle him? It's the chosen one that brings the fall of the old jedi order. Darth sidious was the schemer, not the main agent itself. And if you've been paying attention to the movies, so far george lucas has made a point to show that one sith lord cannot beat two jedi MASTERS at the SAME time. In epi 1, Gon and kenobi was seperated before Gon was killed. Anakin and Kenobi was sepereately defeated in epi 2. And now you claim that, all of a sudden, there is a sith lord that are capable of bringing destruction to the powerful jedi council, another handful of jedi masters, plus tens of thousands of jedi? No, you need somethingelse to explain that. Hint: how about the chosen one without a biological father, conceived by the will of force itself? "Will my friends die?" asked Luke skywalker in epi 5. "difficult to see the future is" said Yoda. "Luke, Not even master yoda can see their fate with certainty."- Kenobi. Yoda can see the future well, but like all force users, it's limited. If he couldn't see two days forward with certaintly, how can he see 10 years forward with certainty? He couldn't even sense that palpatine was the sith lord, but you claim that he can sense that tens of thousands of jedi was meant to die? "I foresee you becomming the greatest of all of jedi. Even more powerful than master yoda"- Sidious. That is why Sidious's ultimate plan was to bring Anakin to the darkside. And that's why epi 1, 2, 3 is about the growth of Anakin, and with his turning to the darkside, the fate of the jedi order was sealed. It is only fitting that in epi 4,5,6 we see Yoda and kenobi do the same thign as sidious did. However, this time, it was the son of the chosen one that they needed to train into a jedi. Do you have any basis from the movies that Yoda is more powerful than the chosen one? Everything we've seen in the movies indcate that the destiny of the skywalker family was the destiny of the force.The chosen one, however was the main agent in the destruction of the old jedi order. His son, was the main agent for brining about the return of the jedi. Yoda was portrayed as wise, the mentor that made sure Luke brought an end to the darkside. The parallel of Yoda is sidious, who was the mentor to anakin, and the schemer that engineered the whole clone wars, which ensured the rise of the darkside. The actual agents of power here are the chosen one and his son. Yoda, Kenobi, sidious are just planners, the brains behind the events in the galaxy. |
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Mirael D'Kana - Student 
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Quote: Yoda knew, as the last Jedi Master, he would be the one needed to complete Luke Skywalker's training. So if Yoda was so powerful, what was he doing when there was tens of thousands of jedi around? If he can defeat vader then why not just put away 5 jedis for safe keeping to teach luke later, and he himself go fight vader? Because Vader was not alone himself. Consider Sidious. Yoda's power is not count in enemies defeated. That old master was a walking temple of wisdom, as his greatest ability, imo, was forseeing future. And as it was meant to happen: All jedi die, Yoda hides near the lair filled with a dark side of the force to survive, and to train one last remaining Jedi - Son of Skywalker, the chosen one. Who would (and we know he did) defeat Vader, after Vader himself takes care of Sidious. Imagine Yoda, not Luke, vader's son, trying to convince vader to return to the good side of the force. With Sidi around. Oh man, we'd see a lightning fest, and a frying Whill Only Luke was meant to make Vader return to good. And all other Jedi were meant to die. Yoda knew that. Why would he stand against Vader then, who, as we pointed out, has Sidious as his master ? _______________ -The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make heaven of Hell, and a hell of Heaven.(John Milton)- Mirael D'Kana, daughter and Padawan to Jaina D'Kana, proud mastress to Crash D'Kana and Saige D'Kana. Winner of Henkes' Pure Pwnage Award. Proud owner of Jaina's 999th post. Proud user of Odan Wei's JA Logo in my avatar. -SWG random quote: People use hammers to knock holes in the wall. I use a hammer to knock Bounty Hunters' teeth out.- |
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thewind - Student |
I also like Yoda a lot though. I wish they would make a trilogy on Yoda's life. That would be awesome! I greatly enjoyed his fighting scene in attack of the clones. And the way he talks is just hilarious! |
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thewind - Student |
Quote: Yoda knew, as the last Jedi Master, he would be the one needed to complete Luke Skywalker's training. So if Yoda was so powerful, what was he doing when there was tens of thousands of jedi around? If he can defeat vader then why not just put away 5 jedis for safe keeping to teach luke later, and he himself go fight vader? |
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thewind - Student |
It's interesting to note that tens of thousands of jedi perished before the dark side, while Yoda and kenobi were powerless to stop it. However, when the son of the chosen one grew up, the light side once again reigned supreme. Notice that Kenobi said" He was our only hope." To which Yoda replied" No, there is another one." Later Luke asked who was the other one, and he found out he had a sister. Before luke went to face Vader, He told Leia"If I cannot return, you are the only hope for the alliance." All this from the movies clearly indicate that only the direct descedents of the chosen one can ever hope to defeat the chosen one himsef. If this was not the case, then kenobi and yoda wouldn't have said that Leia and Luke were their only hopes because there are other force sensitive talents out there(out of which later luke created the new jedi order). But they wouldn't have been good enough because they are not related to the chosen one. I think Yoda is the most powerful jedi ever, but the chosen one is still the chosen one. Common, the guy didn't have a father, conceived by the will of force. Rofl, sounds familiar? This is like the star wars religion. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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and besides, had Yoda killed Vader, who would rescue luke from the Lightning from the Emperor? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Blademaster - Student 
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Plo, Yoda didn't "hide" on Dagobah because he was afraid Vader would kill him, Yoda was watching after the future of the Jedi Order. Yoda knew, as the last Jedi Master, he would be the one needed to complete Luke Skywalker's training. If he wasn't waiting for Luke on Dagobah, Luke may never have become a true Jedi Knight - and could have easily fallen to the Dark Side. We saw how the fight between Count Dooku and Yoda taxed the Jedi Master. Yoda could have defeated Vader, but the result of such a battle would have left Yoda too weak to train Luke. Without Luke, the Emperor would reign supreme. On a last note, remember we're talking about Vader and Yoda at the height of both their powers. A Yoda at the top of his strength would obviously be much younger than the Yoda in Episode VI and would have no need to "hide" from anyone. Again, Yoda, all the way. _______________ Let's race. You, me, and 5 kilometers of ground. The only question is: Do you feel fast today? |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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Quote: If it would be a fair fight, both Vader and Yoda would have to be at the height of their power. If so, Yoda would strike Vader down. Think about it, in every battle between equally matched Jedi and Sith, the Jedi have prevailed because the Light is, in the end, stronger than the Dark. The Sith only beat out the Jedi when something is done to tip the scales in the Sith's favor, which is why the Sith are so secretive and spend so long setting up plans to destroy the Jedi. Yoda, all the way. hmm sure, thats why yoda hid in a cave in some swamp fearing he'd be killed by Vader. Dont you listen to what yoda says himself? Edit: Yoda and the Jedi are my favorite too but im only going by what yoda said a did.  _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jan 06 2005 11:09pm. |
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Blademaster - Student
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If it would be a fair fight, both Vader and Yoda would have to be at the height of their power. If so, Yoda would strike Vader down. Think about it, in every battle between equally matched Jedi and Sith, the Jedi have prevailed because the Light is, in the end, stronger than the Dark. The Sith only beat out the Jedi when something is done to tip the scales in the Sith's favor, which is why the Sith are so secretive and spend so long setting up plans to destroy the Jedi. Yoda, all the way. _______________ Let's race. You, me, and 5 kilometers of ground. The only question is: Do you feel fast today? |
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thewind - Student |
aww, you know Winnie wouldn't hurt a fly!! |
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Flux - Student 
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I'd win. _______________ When great gentlemens come together in a place. It could happen. All these gentlemen are Howard's family. Everybody knows them, but nobody knows. Why they come together.......... Just play cards. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: http://www.starwarsspoofs.com/saberfight.html Could provide the more accurate version of the yoda dooku fight LOL, Nice _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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The Mighty Flail - Student |
http://www.starwarsspoofs.com/saberfight.html Could provide the more accurate version of the yoda dooku fight _______________ Is it me or does every main characters apprentice turn out evil in the Star Wars Movies? |
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El Vee For - Student
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my 2 cents Vader and Yoda would be well matched. Vaders weekness, also his strength as it happens, come from his lack of control over his emotions. Yoda knew this the Sith Lord Sidious knew this. Yodas calm and balanced approach would eventually prove him the victor against the Sith Apprentice Darth Vader. However Yoda would never be able to stand up to Darth Sidious in a fight, a moral and righteous person is at a disadvantage in no holds barred contest. Yoda has trained his entire 800 years of life to defend life and uphold the Jedi code this will be his end. Sidious is only interested in power and would do anything to achieve it. Luke showed us all that the force is your ally in the face of adversity. Luke failed nearly every test placed before him, the cave on Dagobah, the throne room on the Deathstar2 etc etc. Though he failed each and every test placed before him he still came out on top. Thanks to daddy's inability to control his emotions. Peace _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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thewind - Student |
That's very perceptive, matthias |
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The Dragon Reborn - Student 
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What you've got to think on is that i Yoda had faced Vader and been killed, who would have trained Luke? Without Luke, the Empire would have continued to control the galaxy, there would be no New Republic, and no comeback for the Jedi Order. Luke mignt even have been turned to the Dark Side by Vader. My opinion is that Yoda foresaw this. _______________ Padawan to Solitude "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to... suffering" -Jedi Master Yoda "I shall not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will allow it to pass over me and through me, and when it has gone i will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only i will remain." -Bene Gesserit Litany, Dune |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student 
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Even the most experienced person can be defeated by an inexperienced person if that inexperienced person has more raw strength and power. I am guessing that since Yoda is hiding in a cave in Episode 5 , Vader wins. |
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Matthias - Student 
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Ok first off the idea of yoda thinking that he had a ceretian percentage of chance to beat vader ius flawed, Yoda would know wheather he would win or not. "do or do not, there is no try". Second of all Vader is the chosen one conceived through the force born to bring balance to the force, whcih he does, somwhat later than expected, by killing the emperor(sidious) Linking to that yoda even if he could have killed him wouldnt have becuase as i ahve said, Vader must bring balance to the force, if yoda could have killed the emperor himself he would have done it. Anway what are we refering to when you say yoda at his prime? I presume you mean ep2. Although this abviously isnt his prime. The strongest jedi saber wise is Mace Windu, and(althoguh it is yet to be seen if this is the case)Vader kills him as well i presume as he huints the jedi and Windu isnt alive in ep4 onwards. Vader is the most powerfull Jedi and the most powerfull sith at 2 different parts of the story. As for the fact that only a relative of Vader could defeat him. Yes i belive so but only a direct blood relative. The solo tiwns and Anikan couldnt have done it.How could anikan have kiled him, anikan dies at the hands of the Yuhuzan vong thus showing that he wouldnt have lasted 2 seconds with Vader Dooko is not a powerfull sith at all. Mual could defeat him if he had the chnace. Maul only died because Obi wan got angry. Whcuih tends to be the case with dying sith. The onyl time when a sith has been defeated(int he films, nto refering to past or future events) has been when a jedi has gotten angry and deafeated him, exexpt of course for the Emperor(sidous) as he was defeated out of love. Vaders love for his childeren, again proving that he is the most powerfull force wielding member of the jedi Saga. _______________ Peace over anger Honor over hate Strength over fear |
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Jippie Phoenix - Student 
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Why is this being discussed, it has to be yoda his knowledge is his power _______________ |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Vader to teh max! We're talking "destructive, untamed, raw power" as Virty described it... what more can you wish for? |
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thewind - Student |
"I foresee you becomming the greatest of all jedi. Even more powerful than master Yoda." -Lord Sidious |
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