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ioshee - Student  |
Ok I was wondering something. I know Palpatine and Darth Sidious are the same person right, but isn't Sidious the same person as Sifo-Dyas too?
If Sidious IS Sifo-Dyas, how would he have time to train as a jedi all those years at the jedi temple (they talk about him becoming a master) and be a senator for Naboo (as Palpatine)? If Sifo-Dyas is not Sidious, then who the heck is Sifo_Dyas? If you don't understand my questions just ask me to explain them better  Thanks in advance for any helpful info_______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Vaughn - Student 
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its called Mind Trick _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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Kalheka - Student 
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Your right about that, Sifodyas may have been turned to the darkside and actually did make the order himself, they really don't say.
It looks to me like Dooku ran that part of things for the emperor. It only makes sense to me that he would also have either impersonated syfodyas or sent the dude to do it. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Buzz - Student 
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There isn't any proof though that dooku did impersonate sifodyas though. We know that dooku and tyranus are the same but we don't know that dooku also ordered the clone army just that he recruited Fett, which simply means that whoever ordered the clone army is connected to palpatine and dooku, whether it is one of them or not is really speculation. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Kalheka - Student
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Guys, when Obi-Wan talks with Jango at Kamino, Jango says that the man that recruited him for the Clone's was a Jedi called Tyrannus.
Tyrannus is Dooku. Dooku impersonated Sifodyas. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Death By Corn Chips - Ex-Student 
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sifo-deas is quigon gin. he was obiones master and had amesing forsight poweres if u lisen closley to the concvestion betwen dukue and obi one dukue treaind by yodi then he treaind sifo-deas the he treaind obi one do u falow me. he used his for sight to see what was going to hapen. then he orderd a clone army there is a thing about it on the dvd _______________ I WILL DISTROY THE WORALD WITH MY MINNIONS MY CORN CHIP MINNIONS. THERE EVERY WERE. IN YOUR SUPERMARKETS, SMALL TOWN STORS AND EVIN YOUR HOMES HA HA HA I WILL RULE THE WORLD WITH THE FORCE AND THE CHIPS HA HA HA HA HAAA This comment was edited by Death By Corn Chips on Mar 10 2003 08:28pm. |
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A'Sharad Hett - Student 
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Interesting point, Charon, that perhaps Sifo-Dyas had been used by our friend Sidious to place the order for the army and then removed from the picture for the "no witnesses" policy.
I have heard this theory before, as a matter of fact, just not when it was put forth so concisely. Well done. _______________ Viking in training. Ray: Good evening... as a duly appointed representative of the city, county and state of New York, I order you to cease any and all supernatural activity and return forthwith to your place or origin, or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension. Venkman: That oughta do it. Thanks very much, Ray. |
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Kalheka - Student 
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Obi-Wan says in the film that Syfodyas was a council member, I didn't pull that out of thin air _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Charon - Ex-Student 
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The original Dyas was a Jedi Master, though that position doesn't automatically qualify him to be on the council, to clarify that question. Remember, Qui-Gonn was a master as well, not just a Knight. During the time of the Naboo blockade, he was the only Master who was not on the council, and the Cerean Ki-Adi Mundi was only a Knight, but a member of the council. So it's not allways a matter of ranking.
The Dyas that placed the order for the clone army, very well could have been the real Dyas. Palapatine has been planning a long time, and he was known to to close to many of the Jedi. It's my thought that Dyas was coerced or tricked into placing the order for the clone army, then convienently killed by Plapatine, either directly or at his direction, to keep the order a secret from the council. Untill the devious bastard could ascend to "temporary" sole power in the Senate, in which case, the Army of the republic becomes his to direct, without the time or risk of debate. The army is then directed at Dooku's driod army, since he's known to be the leader of the separationists. Dooku loses effectivly nothing more than a chess game, that he planned on losing anyway. The battles to reign in separationists, lead to police actions, martial law, and eventually escelates to imperialism. Or maybe I've read Shogun one too many times. _______________ spirit's searing pain battlefield of broken glass fallen speak to me --Charon |
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A'Sharad Hett - Student 
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I beleive Kal to be correct.
Chances are that Sifo-Dyas was a Jedi Master as Obi-Wan recalls the fact that Sifo-Dyas had been killed around the time of Episode I... after all, is it possible to kill what is not? I am thinking that it was Dooku who went to Kamino at Sidious' behest and placed the order for the clone army while masquerading as Sifo-Dyas for legitimacy. A Republican Senator/future Chancellor's face might just be recognized too easily for him to go flitting about the galaxy personally to seam together all of his many machinations. The Dark Lord of the Sith did not get that name from being careless. _______________ Viking in training. Ray: Good evening... as a duly appointed representative of the city, county and state of New York, I order you to cease any and all supernatural activity and return forthwith to your place or origin, or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension. Venkman: That oughta do it. Thanks very much, Ray. |
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Kalheka - Student
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Syfodyas was a member of the jedi council who was killed during the time of the events of Episode 1. He was a real person in the story EP 2.
He never appeared in the story physically. I believe either Palpatine or Dooku impersonated him in order to get the ball rolling on the Clone Army. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Buzz - Student
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I don't think Sifo-Dyas is ever really shown in anything EU yet. MY bet is that he was a real Jedi Master. He died due to some occurence, age health, murder? Since he was dead recently at the time the clone army started to be created, it wouldn't be very widespread that that jedi master had died. And since not everyone sees a Jedi Palpatine could probably have taken his name quite easily to trick the Kaminoans. Its also possible that Dooku took the name to make it seem like the Jedi Council ordered the clone army. This is all really speculation of course, but I find it hard to believe that Palpatine was leading a triple life as a Senator Sith and Jedi Master. That would be rather hard to disguise himself as Sifo-Dyas on the Council and as Senator Palpatine. Also, for him to use the Force would be through his dark emotions. Yoda was able to sense that Dooku was doing this so he wouldn't really be able to hide that he's touched the Darkside and claims to be thinking happy thoughts around a council of the strongest Jedi. I can almost bet that he isn't using the Force at all when he is around the Jedi. Vader could sense Luke's raw potential in the Death Star Trench. Qui Gon could sense Anakins abilities being around him. Even if Palpatine was using the darkside on Coruscant, does he seem stupid enough to use it right infront of the Jedi? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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