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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student  |
Okay, I think I might have figured this one out open for debate of course  The Force is an entity, so it equals 1 The Light side = 0.5 The Dark Side = 0.5 Now, an equasion always is in balance, so both sides must be equal. If the equasion is brought into imbalance, it will balance itself again (see Matrix Reloaded to catch my drift completely  )Let us presume that for every dark sider, there is an equal lightsider let's presume that Darth Maul = Obi-Wan Kenobi There is balance Dooku = Anakin There is still balance Sidious = ...? no more balance The equasion tips over to the Dark Side, and there is imbalance Which is probably why Anakin had twins. Twice his power. And perhaps the power needed to destroy Sidious once and for all... What do you feel about this? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: I find your conception of "balance" to be wrong. I think balance just means uncorrupted. I dont think light or dark side is evil in nature. They just have opposing beliefs. The jedi have a more "under control" belief and the sith have a "let it all loose' belief. This leads them to fight as the jedis see the sith as dangerous and sith see the jedis as a threat to their power. The reason the dark side seems evil in nature is because often dark force users are evil because the believe they have ultimate power. The jedi are less evil because they stay under control. Not all sith have wanted to rule the earth. Like in kotor 2. Anakin brought balance to the force by destroying the people corrupting it. Those were the emporer and himself. Very well said, and besides you dont have a sith for every jedi, especially since the TRUE sith only have two at a time, the master and the apprentice. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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DarthMike - Student 
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I find your conception of "balance" to be wrong. I think balance just means uncorrupted. I dont think light or dark side is evil in nature. They just have opposing beliefs. The jedi have a more "under control" belief and the sith have a "let it all loose' belief. This leads them to fight as the jedis see the sith as dangerous and sith see the jedis as a threat to their power. The reason the dark side seems evil in nature is because often dark force users are evil because the believe they have ultimate power. The jedi are less evil because they stay under control. Not all sith have wanted to rule the earth. Like in kotor 2. Anakin brought balance to the force by destroying the people corrupting it. Those were the emporer and himself. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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Sith duel each other to decide who 's Dark lord of the Sith, jedi dont do that sort of thing. So Sith loose their lives while jedi continue to live... it comes with their philosophies. Maybe thats how the force is kept in balance, if ur on the Darkside you may become powerful (both in the force as political), but I wonder how long it'll last. Just a thought  _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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The Dragon Reborn - Student 
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Who said Gen. Greivous was human? _______________ Padawan to Solitude "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to... suffering" -Jedi Master Yoda "I shall not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will allow it to pass over me and through me, and when it has gone i will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only i will remain." -Bene Gesserit Litany, Dune |
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Trooper! - Student 
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What I don't get is how Obi-Wan could lose to Dukoo twice and then turn around and own Anakin? Would that make him better than Anakin but less than Dukoo who is less than Anakin? Also Obi-Wan trained Luke so he's better than Luke? I'll assume that Grevious remains unranked! Although he has Vader beat on the whole "more machine than man" line, he still has some human left, was he force adept?  _______________ Honor those better than you would yourself. This comment was edited by Trooper! on May 23 2005 07:52pm. |
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Squibit - Student 
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I think yoda is stronger in the force than sidious because... Like just said, they seemed pretty even in the fight. BUT Sidius is a dark-side force user. Anger agression etc. It would make sense then that he should be superior in a fight. They were almost equal in the battle, so no wins there, however, im pretty sure Yoda would be much better than sidius at healing a very badly wounded ally. Of course yoda isnt better at fighting ! _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Lithaerien - Student 
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IMO I think Sidious=Yoda because they both can fight but can't neutralize one another...they're equally strong  _______________ "The Dark Side? I've been there... Do your worst!" ~Kyle Katarn "Don't force it" ~GeForce |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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Hmm I believe you have your calculations messed up, I heard Lucas say himself that... Dark = unbalance, chaos, unorder, no peace, war. Light = balance, order, peace, justice, serenity. when the dark side wins the upper hand everything looses balance, Balance = order, dark side = chaos and unjustice, light side = peace and order, as said by the creator Mr. Lucas himself. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on May 23 2005 02:43pm. |
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Carve - Student 
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Hmm, he looked pretty rageful to me. Ah well. The point still stands that if they were to continue dueling conventionally, Dooku would have beaten them both, and it's been established that they are both highly skilled Jedi. My mistake. _______________ © |
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Zadus - Student 
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(SPOILER) actually sidious, your wrong. anakin doesnt win against dooku in EpIII by using rage. he and Obi wan trick Dooku into thinking they mastered 2 forms when really they mastered 2 completly different ones.anakin only delves to he dark side when he KILLS Dooku. and even then he feels bad about it _______________ Owner of Raydoes 315 and BDKawkia's 500 comments! |
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Carve - Student
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This comment contains SPOILERS. Read at your own risk. Quote:
Quote: since Obi-Wan had to bring in the rage to be able to defeat him ... Using purely his own powers he would not have defeated Maul. Rage my butt. Darth Maul got lamed. Obi Wan was just hanging there on the ledge, and the second Darth Maul put his chatbox up, BAM! Anyway, I think this theory is a little earie (ha, that rhymed). Mathematically, it wasn't really ever balanced. Except maybe in EP IV. I : About 200 Jedi, 2 Sith (Sidious, Darth Maul) II : About 50 Jedi(after Genosis), 2 sith (Sidious, Dooku) Don't know if this has been addressed yet, but in Episode I there were more like 10,000 Jedi, and in Episode II it dropped to 2,000, as I recall. Also, George Lucas has himself rated the powers of the Jedi. Sidious is at the top. Sidious would have been defeated by Anakin in terms of sheer power, but the Force is all about life. When Anakin lost his arms and legs, he lost a lot of his life force. Thus, his power was greatly reduced. Sidious was resentful of this as Anakin never claimed his true power. Luke is stronger than Anakin. I don't know where anybody got the idea otherwise. Perhaps Anakin would have been stronger than Luke with his limbs, but that doesn't matter because he lost them. Luke, on the other hand, did not. Also, keep in mind Force ability is typically thought of as hereditary and Luke has one hell of a powerful father. Ostensibly, this would be proof enough that Luke at least equals Vader's power (when he had limbs). Darth Maul is both an exceptional duelist and Force user. He does in fact rank above Obi-Wan. However, let us not forget that a Dark Side user can only ever use the Dark Side. A Light Side user has much more freedom in this regard. This is the temptation of the Dark Side -- as you delve into its depths, you gain the greatest rewards early on. The further you fall, the greater a toll it takes on you, but the greater your thirst for power. Thus, Obi-Wan received a great boon from his rage due only to it being something he has rarely dabbled in. Darth Tyranus is clearly gifted with the Force as is evidenced by Episode II. His concentration and abilities are stellar (Force Lightning is not something you idly conjure). As far as pure fighting ability goes, he was second only to Yoda while he was a part of the Jedi Order. His defeat of Obi-Wan and Anakin and his stalemate with Yoda is evidence enough of this. In Episode III, you will see Dooku is easily able to fend off both Anakin and Obi-Wan, despite their tremendous skills. However, Anakin allows the Dark Side to flow through him and, because of this, gains a bonus that Darth Tyranus can never achieve now that he has fallen from the Light Side's grace. That is why Anakin wins. Yoda is below Sidious, but above everyone else. Dooku is above Mace (as Dooku has defeated Mace in lightsaber combat while he was a member of the Jedi Order). Hope that clears some misconceptions up. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on May 18 2005 09:25pm. |
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 Here is how I see it....Qui-Gon Obi-Wan (young) = Darth Maul Yoda = Count Dooku Sidious = Yoda (Ep3) Jedi Council = Republic and Sidious (cant really count that though) Obi-Wan/Yoda = Vader/Sidious Skywalker/Yoda = Vader/Sidious After Jedi its just Skywalker but some people don't realize that Leia (spelling?) has full potential to become a Jedi so....you could consider there to be 2 Jedi remaining after Return of the Jedi and NO Sith untill later down the line Sorry If I sounded too technical lol but hopefully someone knows what I'm tryin to say. _______________ 4/20/2005----Left the academy because I did'nt feel welcomed. |
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Akkarin - Student 
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just wanna make a coulpe of points with no point vader didn't have twins that were twice as powerful, his power was devided between them so luke+leia=Vader vader is the strongest, when looking at medicholrians, but then again it mainly depends on force mastery, let's but it this way, he has the most potential. i've seen a few people compare balance in the force using the 1 jedi, 1 sith = balance. it's not that simple vader and sidious are more powerful than leia, luke and yoda combined. the whole yoda = palpy... not quite. last point, which is my own theory, i think vader has lost his power because he's practically all machine now. since the ability to communicate with the force comes from mediclorians, which are part of the body, removal of limbs = less medichlorians, imo. seeing as vader was defeated by that noob luke these are just random points i felt i should contribute, but i'm not trying to make ne point with them if u wanna know where i got some of this information, it's here and if u want to know where he got his info from.... u can ask him |
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Trooper! - Student 
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In an interview with GL that I saw, he explains "balance" as getting rid of evil in the galaxy. Balance = order. Therefore anytime there is a dark sider, the force is out of balance or in other words being used improperly. _______________ Honor those better than you would yourself. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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its relitivly balanced: Obi= maul (...kidna >_> Yoda = sidious Mace= Dooku _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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SaZ - Student 
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force is quite balanced actually... wireplay crashes etc and you still have fun somehow... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Apr 08 2005 03:26pm. |
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DJK - Student 
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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exactly things stay as they are when balanced, it takes change in the balance in order for power to exchange hands _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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Jeramia Adept - Student 
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I see what you are saying Master Prodigy and i agree, i guess when imbalance occurs then changes often happen. _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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JP - Academy Pimp
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in the movies there was only balance when it was yoda+obiwan vs Vader+Emperor, so i guess there was a peroid of time where there was balance, but once that balance was offset, things changed, it might have been a fair fight vader vs obi, yoda vs emperor...but the fact that the empire had a couple billion troops made it alil unfair lol, hence my other state when the dark and light went head to head, it took a two on one effort to kill the emperor _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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Jeramia Adept - Student
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I have to disagree Master Prodigy, Balance is always an issue and always exist. Even if there isnt a Dark Jedi for every Light Jedi, For example Luke Skywalker = Boba Fett(just an example). or even Mara Jade = the Clone of Luke. I also tend to disagree with Sithmaster as well, Not all may be understood in mathmatics. It is my belief that comprehension of life cannot exist in mathmatics, Peace Love and Understanding may be shown through emotion or even self thought. However if you are stating that certain origins of Chemestry, science, or blunt examples such as "1 Apple" then i agree. _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius This comment was edited by Jeramia Adept on Feb 15 2005 05:19am. |
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JP - Academy Pimp
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ROTJ Luke vs Vader and Emperor Emperor lights Luke up like a christmas tree since its 2 on 1, when Vader's love for Luke comes out it changes the teams to Emperor vs Luke and Anakin(Vader) there never will be balance, or there will always be a winner. Balance is a myth, there will always be a winner _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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Tamal - Student 
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This is a very interesting topic, thank you Bail for bringing it up I have always believed Star Wars to be a massive struggle between good and evil. (at its core anyway) In this kind of struggle I have always felt that the force was only out of balance because of the darkside, once destroyed, balance returned. I never really thought about the numbers side of it....hmmmm ponder this I must..... I guess that is my opinion, but as we can see definitely LOTS of room for discussion _______________ Tamal
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DF_SithMaster44 - Student 
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Everything is mathematics, everything can be understood by mathematics. I loved that about the balance mathematically represented. _______________ Once I heard about something called "real life". I tried to find out what that was and I discovered that it is a place where you can use Force powers without draining your Force pool!! | laming NPCs is good for your soul |
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IoNiFy - Student 
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I agree with Leif I don't think you can put a number or percentage on the force it's suppose to bind the glaxy together you can't limit something like that.  _______________ Rawr.
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