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Scythus Aratan - Student  |
http://www.halorising.com/epic// Wierd. Googlezon! _______________ Padawan to the great Jacen Aratan! <Setementor> Scythus is a genius! Claimer of the 5000th post in the Count thread [Solitude] scy rocks [Casual] good point scythus, you're really smart |
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3th - Retired 
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JG, seems like you're read of the presentation is more dour than the author maybe intended? i personally find it odd that a Luddite would call traditional print media elitst. maybe it's about an awareness? getting us to stop and think about what is happening to our sources of information. does it benefit us? is there any cause for concern? assess the situation as we're moving forward to see if there's any reason for concern. people following blindly has lead to destructive dictatorial regiemes in the past. nothing wrong with keeping our heads up and asking questions is there? as the author prefaces it with..."it was the best of times, it was the worst of times." information is power, and how the information and power is used, or misused, determines our fate. if we can communicate and use the information to stay aware we can save ourselves from a potentially oppressive path. if the information we receive is too controlled and filtered then we run a risk of repeating the dark side of history. i think it's more cautionary than anything remotely alarmist, the author realizes technology isn't going away anytime soon. just my take on it though. maybe i'm too much of an optimist  _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! This comment was edited by 3th on Dec 31 2004 11:19pm. |
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Proximo - Student 
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interesting... _______________ Gladiators, I salute you. |
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Urded - Student 
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wow! _______________ Mapper a la strange. Proud owner of SilkMonkey Award for Wishing He Had Menaxia's Best IRC Smile Award. A Penguin Jedi is Me! |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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The film doesn't explicitly state it, no, but the whole tone of the film is very sinister and makes it clear that this is a "dark future" vision of things to come. Plus there are certain things it says that betray the filmmakers' bias, like how the News Wars of 2010 (or whatever year it was) did not include any "real news organizations," meaning that Google news and bloggers are not "real" news because they are not the old-line media elites. The film is filled with loaded statements like that. It's pretty clear that the filmmakers are unhappy with the direction that mass media is taking, and most of the things they paint a sinister picture of are simply opportunities for more people to express their views. I can't interpret this film as anything other than 1. Luddite hysteria and, 2. an attack on free speech and free press. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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Cool. But why does it have to take 10 years? BTW JavaGuy, I didn't actually realise this movie was against the future it portrayed. Guess I didn't pick up on that. OF course, what it shows is unlikely to be the exact way it all pans out. But the ideas of personalixed media, and completely free information I find quite intriuging. Can't wait really.  _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Italian Ice - Student 
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mabey goolezon will buy microsoft to make AMAGOOGLESOFT! _______________ It's funny how many people know they have the right to remain silent, yet never do. |
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Scythus Aratan - Student 
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Well Google is certainly starting to digitalise informaton: http://slashdot.org/articles/04/12/14/013251.shtml?tid=192&tid=217&tid=198&tid=146. _______________ Padawan to the great Jacen Aratan! <Setementor> Scythus is a genius! Claimer of the 5000th post in the Count thread [Solitude] scy rocks [Casual] good point scythus, you're really smart |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I was the best of times, it was the worst of times. Dickens _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
That dude's voice is scary. I suspect that if he told us to jump out from a bridge, 75% would. Scary voice. |
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Rogue - Student 
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............freemasons are more scary........only watched like 30 secinds of that video, the guys voice got on my nerves lol _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Rogue - Student 
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............freemasons are more scary........only watched like 30 secinds of that video, the guys voice got on my nerves lol _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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Yeah if you give it to much AI, only a matter of time before the machine thinks, "hmm i dont need theses quishy meat bags, im far more capable than them" ect. ect. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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With all due respect, um, that's silly.  The media elites have been doing precisely what you fear software doing for years--rewriting the news to fit a particular agenda and trying to prevent people from having access to any other viewpoint. And they did have a hegemony. The beauty of the bloggosphere is that if one news enterprise does try to filter the news to fit its particular agenda, as you envision "Googlezon" one day doing, the blogs guarantee that an alternative viewpoint is available to everyone (complete with access to experts like document forensics specialists). This film doesn't argue that a minority controlling your sources of information is bad; au contraire it calls for a return to those days and bemoans the fact that we have so much free access to information. Google is not going to control your life any day soon. In fact, it is in Google's interest to give you access to as many different sources of information as possible because if they didn't you'd use a different search engine. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Italian Ice - Student
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the reason this gives me the heebee-jeebee's, is becase if there is a news sorce like epic, its nothing to rewrite the way it filters news and such. the result is a news filter that feeds the entire world propoganda or what ever. Its one more thing that people could do themselfs that there handing over to intelligent machines. it may sound dumb but the idea behind terminator, the matrix, and I robot, scares me. becase it WILL happen in some form or another. the fact that news will be writen by computers in 10 years makes me wonder how long it is before AI is a household product with the ability to turn. _______________ It's funny how many people know they have the right to remain silent, yet never do. This comment was edited by Italian Ice on Dec 17 2004 10:42am. |
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JavaGuy - Student
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Oh, and I found the sinister overtones to be Luddite hysteria. The picture the movie paints of the future is actually one of unprecedented free exchange of ideas and free access to information. The emotional tenor of the film makes it sound like some nightmare vision of the future, but if you actually take a calculating, objective look at the hypothetical-future "facts" it presents, it is unclear what exactly the film is objecting to. The film's possible future is much better than the oligopoly of three TV network news shows that I grew up with, spoon-feeding their political agenda to a public that had no other channels to watch. So CBS news and the New York Times have lost their credibility, not that they ever had much, with a series of scandals and frauds. Cry me a river. If they go belly-up it's their own fault, and good riddance. The film makes much of the fact that EPIC personalizes each user's news content. Personalization is a real bugbear for Luddites, who would prefer that we all be jammed into the same centrally-controlled one-size-fits-all plan for everything from the news we watch to the job benefits we negotiate for, even though one size most certainly does not fit all. The logic of the viewpoint the film seems to espouse is completely inside-out: It seems to suggest that the growth of the Internet will crush individualism, but the specific "examples" it points to are actually examples of companies like Google and Amazon empowering individualism. The film also bemoans the death of "real" news organizations, as it calls Dan Rather and his forged memos, and complains that the information published by bloggers might be inaccurate. Here again, the film has fact and logic exactly backwards. The "real" news organizations have told many whoppers over the years, but before the advent of bloggers it was a lot harder to check their stories quickly enough to make a difference. In the case of the Dan Rather memos, for example, the bloggers found numerous experts in document forensics in just a matter of hours and determined that CBS had perpetrated a huge fraud (unsurprisingly it was later revealed that CBS had already hired experts who told them the documents were fake, but decided to run the story anyway). Allowing more people to participate in free speech does not diminish the spread of facts--it augments it. Yes, it allows a lot of people to publish crapola, but as long as speech is unrestricted it also allows people to check facts and publish rebuttles to crapola like the Dan Rather memos in a way that was impossible when Big Media reigned supreme. The Big Media organizations were a tightly-knit community that ruled the flow of information with an iron fist, and when they lied, as they often did, it could be months or years before anyone found out, by which time the election (or whatever) was over, and nobody cared any more. Basically this is a film whining about how the lying, pretentious, elitist media have become irrelevant and implicitly calling for restrictions on free speech to give them back their "rightful" place as the sole arbiters of what information we, the Unwashed Masses, are allowed to know. Well screw the elite media and their imaginary Divine Right to rule over me. Gimme my Google news. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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JavaGuy - Student
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Did you note the part about Reason magazine personalizing its cover with a satellite photo of the subscriber's house? I've been a subscriber for many years and was singularly impressed by that issue. It even mentioned me, by name, in the cover blurb. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Drathir - Student 
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O_o Frightening. _______________ Where we ask the question, "Is real life really stranger than fiction, or is fiction about real life being stranger than fiction stranger than real life being stranger than fiction?" Ow. -Paradox Lost Want to read my slowly in progress webcomic? -TCTI |
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Jaina D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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wow... _______________ INTP |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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that was frickin awesome!  _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Mic Den Octela - Student 
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googlezon go for goldeh _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) |
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Devlin - Student 
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Googlezon Rulz! _______________ Be at peace, and you will discover things you never dreamed possible. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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haha, just watched it if that really happens we're screwed, because we'll just have a new Microsoft on our hands, called Googlezon! _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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