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_Muro_ - Student  |
Hey there dudes  I wanted to learn a bit of swordfighting. I have a Katana [not real one of course, it's poor replica but I think it's a good one to train], so everybody that wants to help me please guide me to any links that are about technics of swordfighting [Iaido etc.] I want links with videos or pics, cause I'm bit slow  P.S. Oh... and everyone that think they can learn me something, please post here too  I'll be really glad.P.S.2 Tell me what do you think of swordfighting BTW, do you think it's crazy thing to do it in this era or is it fun. Thanks in advice _______________ *Proud comment owner of: Dash Starlight's - 700th, Buster Senatu's - 100th, Yuken Zalak's - 250th, Laziana's - 100th, Para's - 75th, Zeke Asakura's - 800th! |
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_Muro_ - Student 
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Nero, yes I think I'm gona enroll in thos Jiu-Jitsu classes. It's only 40 złotych [about 10 $] per month and I heard that classes are once per week. I hope I'm gonna learn something good there If you have something like WebCam you could teach me a few basic skills of Aikido, I'd be really, really glad if you'd like to be my personal sensei  BTW. Do you know where I could get polish version of books wrote by Miyamoto Musashi ? I heard that he wrote something in those books, like "Before you'll attack your enemy, don't ever make one step, you'll be easily killed, always make two steps toward your enemy" And anyway thanks all of you for help, especially for Nero for great advices _______________ *Proud comment owner of: Dash Starlight's - 700th, Buster Senatu's - 100th, Yuken Zalak's - 250th, Laziana's - 100th, Para's - 75th, Zeke Asakura's - 800th!
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Nero - Student 
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yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks for lightening up on that So Muro, do you know more about what you're gonna do and where? _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Dachande - Student 
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true that also nero...some ninjas did fight against the empire(cant name the clans)...but I know that Iga DID act as body guards to the emperor...(they were paid)...Hatori Hanzo was the leader of that clan...(when they protected the emperor) basically it was all bout the $ and survival...every clan had itz own agenda...soem tried to over throw the empire....so yea...they did fight the empire... _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... |
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Nero - Student
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Actually the Ninja really where fighting against the Japanese empire, however in times of war with other parties the Ninja's were paid to stop fighting basicly. _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Dachande - Student
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Sword fighting...wat type...im guessing u want japanese...so here it goes Kendo-way of the sword laido-which u meantioned...art of drawing a sword Kobujitsu-weaponry (spelling might be wrong) Ninjitsu-art of stealth...ultimate martial art(in my opinion) now for others Kali-dual weilding sword/sticks/knives(i liek knives) http://www.dogbrothers.com/ (itz filipino) Fencing-the rich boy sword fighting...i think itz not very manly...or street wise useful Correction from former post now ninja's did work for the japanese empire...not against it...they were hired to do things..I know the Iga and Koga(koga clan i belong to) both were hired by the tokogawa regime...the japanese elite couldnt beat us so they hired us...Samuari katana was better than ninja-to but our ninja-to was str8 and can be used to scale walls and was shorter for really tight area fights....while katana was made from good metal and craftmanship (ninja's were from mountains and were poor and most weapons were farming toolz...like sai's...used to plow the ground...but later used to defend against a Jow and sometimes a sword.) _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... This comment was edited by Dachande on Jan 24 2005 04:35am. |
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The Dragon Reborn - Student 
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Quote: Self-defense: Take jiu-jitsu or kyokushin (full contact) karate. Anything that doesn't teach proper application on the street, and only focuses on kata, is a waste of time. Fighting (as in you actually want to defend another person by fighting someone): Muay Thai, San Shou, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I cannot stress this enough. These arts are the ultimate fighting styles. Hands down. I agree completely. such as karate, it is an excellent means of self defence, but it just takes too long to learn. _______________ Padawan to Solitude "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to... suffering" -Jedi Master Yoda "I shall not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will allow it to pass over me and through me, and when it has gone i will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only i will remain." -Bene Gesserit Litany, Dune |
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Ecks - Student 
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Self-defense: Take jiu-jitsu or kyokushin (full contact) karate. Anything that doesn't teach proper application on the street, and only focuses on kata, is a waste of time. Fighting (as in you actually want to defend another person by fighting someone): Muay Thai, San Shou, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I cannot stress this enough. These arts are the ultimate fighting styles. Hands down. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Nero - Student
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Kay Matar, your explanations rock basicly, you know alot more about this than I do, that's for sure I think you could easily start doing jiu jiutsu muro, ofcourse length (and even more, weight) will always be an issue, but if you're skilled enough you'll over come that. As told by Kay some moves are incredibly dangerous, however the basic, and more duel-focused type is much like Judo _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Kay Matar - Student 
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Quote: Nero, is jiu-jitsu technique that doesn't qount weight and height to self-defence ? We talked about this, but it was about Judo and Aikido what about Jiu-Jitsu ? And is Jiu-Jitsu a style where u use fists or legs ? In the Japanese system of Martial Arts, you have the Ancient Arts and the New Arts. The Old ones are Jiu-Jutsu, Ken-Jutsu, Sumo wrestling ... Many of those arts we're transformed over the years and most of them changed into "DO"s which means "The way of" Jiu-Jutsu is basicly the ancestor of Judo. Judo is a "tamed" version of Jiu-Jutsu, basicly some of the most dangerous moves we're eliminated or changed. I saw a Jiu-Jutsu version of a technique we have in Aikido called "Kote-Kudaki" (basicly a wrist twist, very painful) We focused on the muscles to control the other while in the Jiu-Jutsu version the attack was aimed at the tendons. If a tendon breaks it never comes back to it's original status, before the break that is Italian Ice : Most of the Japanese Martial arts today transformed into DOs ...(Aikido, Judo, Karate-do) which are ways to do thing ... not intended to harm in fact, what you said was the other way around. Like Nero said, the harm done IS a by-product of the Martial Arts _______________ Former Senior Padawan to Luke Skywalker, Aquainted to SmilyKrazy, Koyi Donita, Virtue, Mace Windu ...Friend to (SKX)Dark Blade, Jello'/ If I forgot you come and hit me ! This comment was edited by Kay Matar on Jan 23 2005 01:17am. |
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_Muro_ - Student 
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Nero, is jiu-jitsu technique that doesn't qount weight and height to self-defence ? We talked about this, but it was about Judo and Aikido what about Jiu-Jitsu ? And is Jiu-Jitsu a style where u use fists or legs ? _______________ *Proud comment owner of: Dash Starlight's - 700th, Buster Senatu's - 100th, Yuken Zalak's - 250th, Laziana's - 100th, Para's - 75th, Zeke Asakura's - 800th!
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Nero - Student 
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Italien Ice, First of all Ninjiutzu is basicly Ninpo based and Ninpo is something that can be practiced in almost every aziatic country and a few places in Europe too. It is a nice sport, however practicing sucks because you can't really make your moves (that'd kill your training partner). There is some really sexy weapon fighting included though Now about the fact of Martial Arts being found to harm, you are in fact almost 100 % wrong. The first of these forms of fighting have been found during times of governal opression as having weapons was illegal. The people game up with hand to hand combat moves to defend themselves. Someone who is defending is therefore not attacking, an attacker is trying to harm the person in question while the defender tries to defend himself, if necessary by causing harm. However if you'd have practiced any of these forms of combat in the way they're meant to be thought (I'm talking about basic stuff like Aikido, Jiu Jiutsu, Ninpo, Kendo, Karate, Kung-fu). You'd have learned that you will not start learning the easiest moves, but the ones most used. And believe me if I am telling you these are not the ones who will kill your opponent in an instant. edit:// Basicly Ninpo and Ninjiutzu are found by the Ninja's. A group of very well trained fighters fighting against the japenese empire and most of them their samuraii (which used Aikida and Kendo basicly). The Ninja fight arts are the only exeptions to the average Martial Arts. These two are not about anything moral-wise, this is tottaly different compared to the others, as the others definetly are _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? This comment was edited by Nero on Jan 22 2005 08:15pm. |
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Italian Ice - Student 
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if you want self defence, then you want ninjitzu. lol altho it is almost impossable to find a master who will teach you. the entire purpous of the hand to hand combat of ninjitzu is to end the fight as quickly as possable by any means nessesary. now this isnt a real suggestion due to the fact that i think there is only one ninjutzu master in the US and his name is Stephen Hayes. Just sumthing to talk about. anyway back to my point, all martial arts were created with the intent to harm. dont lie to yourself that they were created to find innerpeace and other such things. these are by products of "becomeing one wiht the art". this is another reason you dont se ninja in the US. we try to make everything moral and good. _______________ It's funny how many people know they have the right to remain silent, yet never do. This comment was edited by Italian Ice on Jan 22 2005 04:39pm. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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hold on i was always told to treat people with the same respect they treat u with, so if someone mugs me....... _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Nero - Student
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Because you end up having trouble too. And well, you'd be quite childish to do so. Muro: Jiu jiutsu is something I really recomend for you. It's a great start to the martial arts, and it will teach you quite some moves _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? This comment was edited by Nero on Jan 22 2005 09:15am. |
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Fate - Student 
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Quote: Then you are at the same level as they are. Do you oppose a theif by stealing from them? Do you oppose a mugger by mugging them? Why not? _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! This comment was edited by Fate on Jan 21 2005 08:58pm. |
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Fate - Student 
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If you want sword fighting I'd go with Kendo or fencing. I personally am a foil fencer and while it's not a lot like real sword fighting, it's very fun. Saber is a lot closer to real sword fighting. Kendo is a little weird because in many forms you have to yell out your target as you attack it, very strange rules. _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
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_Muro_ - Student
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My friend dtold me that there are people that are training ju-jitsu, it doesn't cost much and it's one time in week What do you think about ju-jitsu as a self defence ? _______________ *Proud comment owner of: Dash Starlight's - 700th, Buster Senatu's - 100th, Yuken Zalak's - 250th, Laziana's - 100th, Para's - 75th, Zeke Asakura's - 800th!
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Ecks - Student 
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Quote: Somebody attacks me with intent to kill, or with a weapon, they die. I highly doubt you would actually kill them. Most likely, you would try to hurt them as much as humanly possible , but I doubt you would actually intend to kill them back. I've been in my fair share of scraps, and weapons don't change a thing. All you try to do is stay alive, not pound their face in. Not saying anything about you (this is more generalized, apologize if the quote singles you out) but if someone really tried to kill you, I think your highest priority is to stay alive, and you wouldn't be too preoccupied with injuring them back. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Scythus Aratan - Student 
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Then you are at the same level as they are. Do you oppose a theif by stealing from them? Do you oppose a mugger by mugging them? _______________ Padawan to the great Jacen Aratan! <Setementor> Scythus is a genius! Claimer of the 5000th post in the Count thread [Solitude] scy rocks [Casual] good point scythus, you're really smart |
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The Dragon Reborn - Student
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Somebody attacks me with intent to kill, or with a weapon, they die. _______________ Padawan to Solitude "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to... suffering" -Jedi Master Yoda "I shall not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will allow it to pass over me and through me, and when it has gone i will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only i will remain." -Bene Gesserit Litany, Dune |
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_Muro_ - Student
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hehehehe, I was kidding Nero I've sometimes got thoughs like I am killing someone but I know this isn't real :] My soul wouldn't let me kill anybody nor hurt badly... Even when I were to hit someone I could focus on one hit with my whole strenght, but when my fist would be near his face my strenght would get down really fast :] _______________ *Proud comment owner of: Dash Starlight's - 700th, Buster Senatu's - 100th, Yuken Zalak's - 250th, Laziana's - 100th, Para's - 75th, Zeke Asakura's - 800th!
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Kay Matar - Student 
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Quote: Hey, thats ridiculous. Who cares what the law thinks, someone attacks you with a weapon, or breaks into your home, you kill them! i know i would. "I knew that in a real fight, if you hurt or killed your opponent, he or his brothers would retaliate and the conflict would remain unresolved." - Shihan Patrick Augé (7th dan Aikido Yoseikan) "Kill or hurt your opponent and you will invite vengeance from him. Take control of him while respecting his body and dignity, and you will give him a chance to correct his behavior" -Kancho Minoru Mochizuki (Founder of the Yoseikan Aikido), Montreal, May 1979 I think your comment was pretty harsh and displaced Dragon. in Yoseikan Aikido, "Lives amongst others and help them prosper" is our motto. Your state of mind is pretty dangerous _______________ Former Senior Padawan to Luke Skywalker, Aquainted to SmilyKrazy, Koyi Donita, Virtue, Mace Windu ...Friend to (SKX)Dark Blade, Jello'/ If I forgot you come and hit me ! This comment was edited by Kay Matar on Jan 20 2005 07:18pm. |
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Nero - Student
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you'll get sentenced to 10 years of prison though. Real sensei's would never go for this methode. Getting someone down and unconcious is way better than killing and risking those freaking 10 years. O yeah Muro, to quote your signature: Quote: Noone has the right to take the life of another... _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? This comment was edited by Nero on Jan 20 2005 03:46pm. |
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_Muro_ - Student
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Dragon is right if someone wants to kill you, you should kill him too hah _______________ *Proud comment owner of: Dash Starlight's - 700th, Buster Senatu's - 100th, Yuken Zalak's - 250th, Laziana's - 100th, Para's - 75th, Zeke Asakura's - 800th!
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The Dragon Reborn - Student 
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Quote: Muro: The problem with learning a martial art for defence is that even if used defensive can be extremely dangerous. If I'd get into any sort of fight I would simply not use my most powerfull moves because they could kill the guy who attacked me. The only point in training a martial art is liking the practice and the things you're going through basicly. However I ofcourse wish you the best of luck and if it seems not possible to train anything in your local area try to find someone who has trained something, I'm sure someone has Hey, thats ridiculous. Who cares what the law thinks, someone attacks you with a weapon, or breaks into your home, you kill them! i know i would. _______________ Padawan to Solitude "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to... suffering" -Jedi Master Yoda "I shall not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will allow it to pass over me and through me, and when it has gone i will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only i will remain." -Bene Gesserit Litany, Dune |
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