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as i sit here, wondering.
Feb 10 2005 12:38am

Jeramia Adept
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Jeramia Adept
as i sit here at my chair, pondering, i can remember a time of chaos. The times where man killed man; just as one human totally dissolved races. Then i get a sense of reason with my thoughts. So i start to understand things, one never has asked his/herself. "Why?"

My belief is that humans spiral towards and away from chaos constantly: Emotion, Feeling, Councious. I mean to say its nature for humans to feel emotionally distressed in some form, correct?
However i have found myself to be more in touch with myself as time passes, and i begin to realize one major thing in life.
the theory is:
One must learn to control his or her chaotic state of mind in order to begin to understand all and everything, not one mind is enough to create a new cycle which brings happiness. But the effect it leaves behind creates an inspirationg for this followers to think like him. So the opposite is, one mind can cause chaos to come to all. as one man once said
"People who adapt themselves to the world are reasonable, People who are unreasonable try to change the world."
with that being said, i would like to ask everyone one question. Take the ideas and thoughts, and example, of one great leader in your life, or even in the academy (God Rest his Soul) and try to understand, to reason, to become logical or even a true Jedi.
{if i offend anyone, i apologize but this is my opinion. And I MEAN RESPECT TO THE GREATEST JEDI OF ALL TIME WITHIN THE ACADEMY GOD LOVE HIM AND REST IS SOUL. Also if you are not of christian or any faith, please take that as respect.}
please when you post, TELL US THE EXAMPLE or LEADER IN WHICH YOU WISH TO USE TO EXPLAIN YOUR REASONING.
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The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is.

Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius

This post was edited by Jeramia Adept on Feb 10 2005 12:40am.

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Feb 12 2005 03:48am

Jeramia Adept
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 Jeramia Adept

well allow me to restate my question.
What leaders do YOU use to charge YOUR life.
This topic isnt about religion. NOT ANYTHING I TYPE IS(unless you use it).

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Feb 11 2005 03:06pm

Masta
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 Masta

Im not saying that your opinions are totally wrong, neither =)
I respect the freedom of speech and i tolerate, even appretiate, your opinions.
Only thing ive been doing was to disagree with them...
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Feb 11 2005 02:38pm

Vasper Ba'xian
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 Vasper Ba'xian

Well I never said that my words were fact. If you read closely to my last paragraph in my 1st statement, I begins "I think...". Just about everything that will be writin here will be opinion.

It's my opinion that people should beware, so many asnwers to life be readily available from birth can tend to take out some of the joyous mystery of life. From birth people say "We have that figured out all ready, all you have to do is by the book. Don't try and think about it yourself." You see what I'm getting at? Maybe I don'teven know what I'm getting at. Just that sometimes we can be blinded.
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Feb 11 2005 07:45am

Masta
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 Masta

Im disagreeing with following statements:
Quote:
We take what we see pick out what we don't like to make a better picture for ourself.
We run from plain truths. We hide from the obvious. We try to alter reality. We flee from our deepest thoughts. Try to shut them out with trivial things so that we don't hear them telling us what needs to be heard.

This is mainly based on individual experiences rather then on psychological facts."Only because things happen to you, doesnt mean they count as facts that happen to everyone."

And Jeramia, i didnt got molded by a leader...all my knowledge is forged by books, experiences and wisdom from different kinds of people.
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Feb 11 2005 03:06am

Vasper Ba'xian
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 Vasper Ba'xian

Feel free to tell me why you disagree Masta.
And yes I do mean humanity as a whole.
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Feb 11 2005 01:13am

Jeramia Adept
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 Jeramia Adept

very interesting point, i see where you are coming from. By we, i do mean the human race: also i reference to asking what leaders do you use to mold yourself.
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I feel curious why you disagree
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The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is.

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This comment was edited by Jeramia Adept on Feb 11 2005 03:46am.

Feb 10 2005 11:58pm

Masta
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 Masta

Of course you shouldnt fear death.Its common for us humans to fear the unknown though...and it comes all down to beliefs in the end.We try to explain things to make them "known to us"...it doesnt matter if its through science or religion.
Some may believe in science...some may believe in religion...but either way, we try to explain the unknown because we fear it.

Quote:
Could it be that humans have created religon so that we dont feel so alone? So without purpose?

Its not a good idea to discuss religion in a philosophical way on these forums...so i will restrain myself from answering your question.

Quote:
I think it is in human nature to be illogical even though we can be logical. We take what we see pick out what we don't like to make a better picture for ourself.
We run from plain truths. We hide from the obvious. We try to alter reality. We flee from our deepest thoughts. Try to shut them out with trivial things so that we don't hear them telling us what needs to be heard.

Science is based on pure logic.I guess you wont argue with me that 2+2=4?
I take it you meant with "we" humanity as a whole.
In this case, i completly disagree with you.
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Feb 10 2005 09:36pm

Jeramia Adept
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 Jeramia Adept

Very good friend, i like what you have said. I wonder if many others here feel the same, or even close to the same.
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Feb 10 2005 04:58am

Vasper Ba'xian
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 Vasper Ba'xian

Hmmm this is gonna be a deep thread.

Not sure if this is what ur looking for but my view on religon and Humans

I have had many ppl I've looked up to in life. I wouldn't call them leaders because I make it clear to most ppl that noone leads me.

LIFE- "The moment your born you start to die." I think when I realized that on my own for the first time, it scared me. But now I don't know. Should I fear death? My parents say no. "Trust in God" they say. "Believe, and you will go to heaven." Well, if I died right now, I guess I'm burnin.
Part of me(small part) believes in God. Most of me says that since man was given the ability of complex thought and logic that he's wondered "why?" Why are we here? Whats the point? And many more questions like this. Could it be that humans have created religon so that we dont feel so alone? So without purpose?

I think it is in human nature to be illogical even though we can be logical. We take what we see pick out what we don't like to make a better picture for ourself.
We run from plain truths. We hide from the obvious. We try to alter reality. We flee from our deepest thoughts. Try to shut them out with trivial things so that we don't hear them telling us what needs to be heard.
Quiet down your mind abit and you might learn something about yourself.
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