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Dec 27 2025 03:48pm

Bubu
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Bubu
Here's the topic:

"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's the exact opposite." (P. A. M. Dirac) Do both the approaches suggested in the quotation enjoy equal success in expanding human knowledge?

Gotta be 1200-1600 words in length. Anyone got any ideas on the subject? I've got writer's block. In other words, I'm a lazy bastard.

thanks ;)
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Mar 12 2003 09:31pm

Bubu
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 Bubu

by jove, has the academy shrink gone mad?
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Mar 12 2003 08:05pm

SirBizNatch
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 SirBizNatch

lol fizz, ur answers only lead to more questions
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Mar 12 2003 07:31pm

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

*looks around*
well u dont know errata ? she is the goddess of confusion ;)
secretly, we are all here servants, we just yet dont know....

*runs away*
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Mar 12 2003 05:27pm

SirBizNatch
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 SirBizNatch

i sit here looking at fizz in confusion...
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Mar 12 2003 06:56am

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

Of course, I was wrong, Little Deluded Dupe that I am. Seven days before I was
scheduled for Surgery, that quiet voice which I imagine also talks to Zen monks, Sufi
mullahs and other Disreputable Persons at the End, rapped sharply on my skull and
told me to get my shit in order within the week. Little did I know it was Eris using
a funny voice, the bitch. Anyhow, I hurridly wrapped up a couple of projects, and
this was one of them.
I got curious. Discarding the “non-canonical” material ( well, laying it aside ), I
started to reference my little collection to the original. I’d stumbled, by the way,
on I-Net’s 4th&5th combined edition, with the wonderful foreword by Lord Omar.
Imagine my shock when I realised that some of these fragments I had to hand were not
to be found in the Principia.
As well, we’ve the addition of a brand spanking new Back Cover to this edition. Now
the arse won’t fall out when you pick the book up. I imagine this will be particularly
helpful for those reading this on PDAs, who won’t have to worry about losing
the batteries anymore.
Anyway, apparently earlier editions of the Principia contained the Myth of Starbuck.
Perhaps this is the solution to the mysterious fragments I had. Perhaps they didn’t
make the edit. Who knows. I have never heard of a pre-4th&5th Edition extant. I would
of course be very interested in talking to anyone who might have information about
any of these early editions. We can only hope that one will surface, eventually.
Who was he? What was he like? How did he live? We can only hope someone will write
of his life, and maybe also rediscover the lost I Chao, also mentioned by Lord Omar.
But at some stage, at last intrigued by these “holy quotes”, I copied out by hand all
of the Discordian Scriptual References in Illuminatus, including the Hagbard Celine
tracts. Hooked, I started working through other RAW ( Robert Anton Wilson ) works,
and with the inevitability of a cream pie in flight, as I ventured into more exotic
bookstores and other Purveyors of Disrepute in search of said, the Principia arced
its way towards my face. By the time it struck, I had a small collection of fragments
assembled, together with such esoterica as I’d acquired along the way ( such as
Vonnegut’s Bokonon, and other perverts ).
There will be some form of sequel. There’s much Erisiana still out there that
deserves a permanent home, as much as there’s plenty that, while Chaotic, is also
Crap.
In the middle eighties I gained access to USENET and that was that. I started
collecting Erisiana as I stumbled upon it. Ten years later, some acquaintances
pointed out that Lord Omar was currently to be found making contributions to White
Wolf’s Vampirethingy game. More power to him, I say. He was not long to live, and it
was good to see the occasional Discordian reference, all of which were promptly
collected for the now-bulging file. It was the Internet, though, which led to the Big
Explosion in Discordianism.
The Surgery, a minor exploratory, went off without a hitch ( although the General
Anaesthesia was in the nature of a lovely rest from the ceaselessness of my
Unmanagably Overactive Brain ).
That was a shock. I wondered what it meant. As far as I knew, no announcement had
ever been made. I got to thinking. Was Gregory Hill just another pseudonym? Of Lord
Omar, Kerry Thornley, much is known, photos published, interviews, books. Hell, I
even have his autograph. Of Greg Hill, there was nothing I was ever able to discover.
Even the Erotic Etruscan Poetry thing is, in effect, unsubstanciated. You have to
wonder.
So, why a Second Edition? Primarily because Evil Copyrighted Material snuck its way
into the First Edition, Hail Eris All Hail Kallisti. This material has been replaced.
KopyLeft is in the news again at present, with New Scientist amongst others
looking at the concept.
Talk about Cut-Up? I was furious. And Lord Omar, like Burroughs, was no more.

just a short excpert from the Apocrypha Discordia, 2nd ed.
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Mar 12 2003 04:07am

Flamori Athena
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 Flamori Athena

Only one person has actually bothered to write an essay here.:D
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Mar 11 2003 08:04pm

SirBizNatch
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 SirBizNatch

how bout this topic (much easier since its a ninth grade essay) "The enlightened despots were more despotic then enlightened" Defend or refute this statement.:P
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Mar 11 2003 01:05pm

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

ha Master. what do ya need ? I got plenty of scientific papers.

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Mar 11 2003 11:20am

Gabba
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 Gabba

Now as someone who has worked in the education sector, i find it terrible that students are turning to you lot for help, come on we think were jedi's we must be mentaly unstable, and we think we can help this boy, what are we thinking OMG, helllllllllllllllpppppppppppppppppppp


*currently being carried away by men in white coats, somehow resisting his Jedi mind trick*
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Mar 09 2003 07:13pm

Jedi_Wing
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 Jedi_Wing

One doobie awards go to my forum 2 who does wanna write an essay for you?lol jk
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Mar 09 2003 03:02pm

Bubu
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 Bubu

indeed...

I hereby extend my blessings and this Doobie Award to you, Trebizond. Use it wisely!

:D
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Mar 09 2003 02:57pm

MINDofSIN
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 MINDofSIN

I think Trez should get a Doobie award for that.

Hell, give him two!
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Mar 09 2003 07:52am

Bubu
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 Bubu

wow treb thanks a lot mate! i can use some of this stuff... w00t! :D

and people you can stop now (i know you are all out there working hard on my essay), i'm almost done writing it ;) it's ok no need to be all disappointed, i'll get you another topic soon :P
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Mar 09 2003 07:32am

Fonz
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 Fonz

I didn't realise that the academy offered this service. whilst everyone is considering this i have two conveyancing files that are a mess and need to be completed by the end of next month, any takers....

...anyone...

...damn:P
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This comment was edited by Fonz on Mar 09 2003 07:33am.

Mar 09 2003 06:50am

Trebizond
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 Trebizond

Monsieur Dirac may have a barely valid point, but still. I think you'd want to basing this essay on his two basic tenets.

a) Science tells people things they never knew before in an understandable way.

b) Poetry re-iterates what we already know in ways which we can't understand.

Obviously this is crap; and such a comment could only come from a scientist. The problem is that scientists are notoriously narrow-minded; indeed, to succeed in such a field you have to be. However, they call it being 'focused'.

Let me give you an example; according to scientists, a genius such as Michaelangelo and Mozart can be explained by the number and durations of electrical impulses across various neurons, ganglions and nerves.
Does knowing that in any make what they could do any less impressive? A famous quote by Stephen Hawking states 'On the day that Scientists ascend the final stage of the mountain, and climb beyond the crest to the summit, they will find a congregation of philosophers and religious men have got there long before them.'

Sorry, may have got off subject there a little, but you see what I mean. As for poetry, bad poetry truly is awful. But consider Shakespeare (a little overused, but for 1200 words we shan't have time to consider Ezra Pound and the bloody awful Imagists).

The beauty of Shakespeare lies in his effortless way of describing the human condition. First let's study his sonnets, the poet's poetry;

Sonnet XVIII
Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer's lease hath all too short a date:
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And often is his gold complexion dimm'd;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature's changing course untrimm'd;
But thy eternal summer shall not fade
Nor lose possession of that fair thou owest;
Nor shall Death brag thou wander'st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou growest:
So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this and this gives life to thee.

I shall now translate this into how Dirac would presumable want it done;

Shall I compare you to a mixture of weather conditions, caused by small precipitation and low pressure areas?
Your atoms are arranged in far more pleasing ways,
Moving particles interact with early blossoming linnaen classified lifeforms,
but one day free radicals will destroy your molecular make up

Right, that's enough. Can't be arsed writing any more of that. But you see what I mean? Another good quote for you, just can't remember who by, but anyway;

'Science may one day explain all natural phenomena, but will never explain the deepest mysteries of the human spirit.'

Look at Othello too, for a description par excellence of jealousy. Remember that although considered prose, all of Shakespeare's play are in fact poetry, being as they set in Iambic Pentameter.

Right, that's enough for now. . . hope that helps. If you've got any other essays, let me know.

Take it easy,
Treb
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Mar 09 2003 04:06am

Bubu
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 Bubu

hehe just gimme some ideas.. you dont have to write 1500 words for me :)
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Mar 09 2003 03:46am

Flamori Athena
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 Flamori Athena

I'm too lazy to write 1200 words...
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Mar 09 2003 03:34am

DJ Sith
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 DJ Sith

I can write the paper... oh wait you want this on topic, coherent, and NOT 1500 words about horsies? :(
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