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 I do not know EXACTLY the details of this. But I have been seeing alot on different message boards about Pope Benedict XVI's officiation with the Nazi Youth Party during World War II. Is it true? Because if it is then thats kinda bad. Even though he was a child when he supposively did this. Any info on this from anyone would be appreciated._______________ 4/20/2005----Left the academy because I did'nt feel welcomed. |
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If rumors are confirmed that Pope Benedict XVI was in fact a member of the Nazi Youth Party led by Hitler should the elected Pope be stripped of his holy position.
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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I think the "falling away" is more an act of God then it is a mechanism of the church. The Bible actually speaks on such issues which are to take place during the end days and God is sitting in the drivers seat and in full control. Whether a man speaks hard or softly on subjects makes no difference. The Word is the only and most important thing that needs to be spoken. Speeches and lectures are nice, but the believers aren't commanded to bring their earthly based ideas into the world. The Word of God is what is building the church (not talking about the buildings or denomanations) of God. I also believe that judging others isn't in a believers lot either for the Word of God will judge them without mention of names, groups, etc.. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. 
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
At the same time, though, if you're too strict, you might just lose most of the younger people... he'll need to compromise on some positions, I feel, if he is to expand the religion. |
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Senor Hat - Student 
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oops i ment to click No count one on for No _______________ I have beaten The Internet. The end guy was hard. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Basically, Kenyon doesn't like the new Pope because he holds beliefs that are, well, Catholic. And he blurs the line on "stem cell research" the way most people do. There's adult stem cell research. There's umbillical (sp?) stem cell research. And there's embryonic stem cell research. The first two have yielded a fair amount of promise for treatments. The last, embryonic stem cell research, has not--though it might--and also raises the ugly prospect of creating a financial incentive to abort the unborn to provide, essentially, spare parts for human beings. I'm all in favor of providing spare parts for people, but not by killing the unborn. The media, of course, simply say "stem cell research," and when a politician is against killing embryos for spare parts, they say he's "against stem cell research," as if he's against all three kinds. I'm also not against cloning, which the Church doesn't like very much. But I would be against a "clone and kill" industry in which embryos are simply manufactured for the purpose of, again, providing spare parts for us. Cloning people as just another means of conception is cool with me--a little wierd, but cool. Something people who want a more liberal Pope need to look at is other church's that have tried out moral relativism. I used to attend the Presbyterian Church, which you may know has gone full-bore relativist in the last decade or so. They don't believe their beliefs are any more correct than, say, Islam or Hinduism. They don't believe that there are moral absolutes. They honestly believe that this "openness" will bring more people into the church, especially young people, but in fact the opposite has happened: If you don't believe that there are morally compelling reasons to go to church, then you're not going to go. The church isn't completely dead, but membership has plummeted in most places. Almost nobody wants to go to a church that doesn't believe anything in particular. The churches that have thrived are the ones whose leaders speak with moral clarity: Yes, some moral issues are gray areas where we don't know exactly the right answers, or where perhaps there are no good answers, but the existence of gray areas does not negate the fact of the far more numerous moral questions that are unambiguous. A healthy church engages in vigorous debate about moral issues. A dying church jettisons moral standards in a desperate attempt to attract people who don't want standards. Pope Benedict would almost certainly say the stuff I listen to is devil music--yeah, I listen to AC-DC from time to time--but I'm sure we could disagree on the matter with civility. In a time when the Catholic Church is plagued with scandals involving priests and altar boys, I most certainly wouldn't expect nor want a wishy-washy moral relativist to be elected Pope. I'd want someone who speaks with moral clarity and the courage of conviction, even if I don't agree with him on everything. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Buzz - Student 
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On the AC/DC, thing that doesn't surprise me. Its like the claim that KISS is Knight In Satan's Service. Deeply religious people do tend to see stuff like that. And I would expect the pope to be about the most deeply religious person in the world. Face it the term "rock 'n roll" is a sexual reference itself. It originated in a song that used it to describe sex. Its not surprising the pope is going to find rock music to be evil. Once again, big deal. He used his position to make sure that other Cardinals and bishops stayed in line. Big deal? Sounds like something someone should be doing. He should have been keeping a closer eye on America then, maybe we could have gotten the pedophile priests excommunicated from the church rather than moved to another place. Quote: Ratzinger became known as "Cardinal No" because of his drives to crack down on the liberation theology movement, religious pluralism, challenges to traditional teachings on issues such as homosexuality, stem cell research and calls to ordain women as priests. None of that surprises me. It sounds like a typical Catholic priest. And by the way I'm sure his problem with stem cell research is because it is the embryonic stem cell research which requires destroying the embryo. There are other types of stem cell research going on not involving embryos which I would say he's not concerned about. I don't think you'll find any priest in the catholic church saying women should be priests. Quote: Ratzinger has said modernity led to a blurring of sexual identity, causing some feminists to become adversaries of men. He labeled homosexuality "an intrinsic moral evil." Some feminists have become adversaries of men. They're also adversaries of women. If you're a woman who holds some conservative values you're not going to get any help from feminist organisations. And the stance on homosexuality isn't exactly anything new for the Catholic Church. Quote: During the last American presidential election, in a private memorandum, top Vatican prelate Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told American bishops that Communion must be denied to Catholic politicians who support legal abortion. The Catholic church considers abortion to be a sin. So supporting it would be advocating a sin, and likely on equal ground to committing the sin. No big surprise there right? Well if you have a sin on your soul in the church you are not supposed to receive communion until after you confess your sins. To do so is to be committing another sin. Again not surprising. Quote: Finally, he argued that Muslim Turkey did not belong in Christian Europe and issued a document saying that Catholicism was the only true religion, questioning the validity of other religions, even Christian ones, even as his Pope John Paul II was trying to reach out to other faiths. These are the reasons why I dislike the man. So saying a muslim country is not a part of a Christian continent. Shocking, really  . Saying that the Catholic church is the only true church is again not surprising. That sounds about like the idea of just about every other church there is. If you don't belong to their church you're going to go to hell is pretty common. I doubt he's advocating convert or die like some muslims do though.Face it, you got a conservative catholic to become the pope, not a liberal protestant. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger made the remarks in 1996 at a mass in Rome commemorating the feast of St. Cecilia, the patron saint of music. The Cardinal warned that heavy metal music was particularly offensive, and branded rock n' roll an "instrument of the Devil" which young people should avoid listening to "for fear of endangering their souls (London Times)." He singled out musical groups, including Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, the Eagles (?!) and, of course, the Rolling Stones. He also called on members of heavy metal bands to "purify themselves." Although Ratzinger evinced a surprising repertoire of music, The Times notes that Vatican officials have listed as "worst offenders" Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, and the group AC/DC. The Times noted that church leaders claim that the latter initials "referred not to alternating current or even bisexuality, but to the satanic phrase "Antichrist, Death to Christ." Excuse me? I dislike your comparison because this isn't just somebody's grandfather we're talking about. This is the Pope. And whatever the man says is reflective of the Catholic church as a whole. His statements go beyond personal opinion and become doctrine. Okay, so I won't bother anyone with any of that Nazi-stuff, because Ratzinger was not a Nazi. He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941. There are, however, other reasons to dislike the man. Ratzinger is considered one of the most authoritarian and ferocious ultra-hardliners within the Vatican establishment. He maintains links to the semi-secretive Opus Dei organization (link), and has used his Inquisitorial office -- the successor to the Sacred Officium -- to police even other Cardinals, as well as the ranks of potentially-dissident Bishops, Archbishops and other church functionaries. Ratzinger became known as "Cardinal No" because of his drives to crack down on the liberation theology movement, religious pluralism, challenges to traditional teachings on issues such as homosexuality, stem cell research and calls to ordain women as priests. Ratzinger has said modernity led to a blurring of sexual identity, causing some feminists to become adversaries of men. He labeled homosexuality "an intrinsic moral evil." During the last American presidential election, in a private memorandum, top Vatican prelate Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told American bishops that Communion must be denied to Catholic politicians who support legal abortion. Finally, he argued that Muslim Turkey did not belong in Christian Europe and issued a document saying that Catholicism was the only true religion, questioning the validity of other religions, even Christian ones, even as his Pope John Paul II was trying to reach out to other faiths. These are the reasons why I dislike the man. |
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Buzz - Student
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You know Kenyon, a 78 year old man thinking that rock and roll music, where a primary driving inspiration is drug use, and a popular subject of the songs is sex, is devil music doesn't really surprise me. I really don't want to see him going to an ozzy concert you know. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Quote: Look: Joining the Hitler Youth was compulsory. He was not an anti-aircraft "operator." He was too young to be a soldier at the time but was drafted to be an assistant to the anti-aircraft crew. He then deserted the German army knowing full well that deserters were shot on sight. The smears and libels about the new Pope are just disgraceful. Unfortunately, most of the people circulating these e-mails are quite uninterested in learning the facts and don't stop sending them even when they do learn the facts. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Look: Joining the Hitler Youth was compulsory. He was not an anti-aircraft "operator." He was too young to be a soldier at the time but was drafted to be an assistant to the anti-aircraft crew. He then deserted the German army knowing full well that deserters were shot on sight. The smears and libels about the new Pope are just disgraceful. Unfortunately, most of the people circulating these e-mails are quite uninterested in learning the facts and don't stop sending them even when they do learn the facts. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Religion Wars Episode 1 - The Holy Spirit Menace Religion Wars Episode 2 - Attack of the Christians Religion Wars Episode 3 - Revenge of the Catholics Religion Wars Episode 4 - A New Pope Religion Wars Episode 5 - The Buddha Strikes Back Religion Wars Episode 6 - Return of the Jews LOL, that's great stroke of genius Quote: Seriously though, this man has said that the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and the Eagles are all doing the devil's work. Conservative would be an understatement to describe this man, so I hope he is quickly inspired to some moderation. I see ... well, we can all see him becoming very popular But I think I do get his plan though. He is tryign to do the exact opposite of what John Paul II did, and try to make himself less popular. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
Want to know Vladarion? Read the Article about his life here. |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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He does look like the Emperor. Didn't you guys hear about the new movie series coming out? Quote: Religion Wars Episode 1 - The Holy Spirit Menace Religion Wars Episode 2 - Attack of the Christians Religion Wars Episode 3 - Revenge of the Catholics Religion Wars Episode 4 - A New Pope Religion Wars Episode 5 - The Buddha Strikes Back Religion Wars Episode 6 - Return of the Jews Seriously though, this man has said that the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and the Eagles are all doing the devil's work. Conservative would be an understatement to describe this man, so I hope he is quickly inspired to some moderation. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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Elect Mike as the next pope! w00t JJ! *votes for the sexehest pope ever!* _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Quote: I personally think Rodolfo Quezada Toruño should have become the Pope. It would've been a move in the right direction, having a third world born and raised church representative would have been a move forward and given a positive image to the rest of the world... but then of course, they didn't want another famous Pope like JPII, did they?  It might happen. The new pope is on his last legs, it seems. I heard he only has a few months left to live. |
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Quesi - Student 
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I personally think Rodolfo Quezada Toruño should have become the Pope. It would've been a move in the right direction, having a third world born and raised church representative would have been a move forward and given a positive image to the rest of the world... but then of course, they didn't want another famous Pope like JPII, did they? _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan]  [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
This came up with one other pope which supposedly didnt condone Nazi operations and stuff. Because he didnt say anything people called him a Nazi cant remeber which pope. but... kids say the darnedest things, LOL. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Oolongo - Student 
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I think 60ish years ago would be enough time to change, but also not everyone that was in the Nazi's or the Hitler Youth believed in what was going on. Most people were forced to join up, so who knows if he even wanted to be in the Hitler Youth. _______________ All hail the cute bunny! |
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Thank you all for your feedback on this. I was not sure if what I heard was true but now I know. _______________ 4/20/2005----Left the academy because I did'nt feel welcomed. |
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Quote: Apparently he was an anti-aircraft operator, and deserted a week before the war ended. What a little wimp. Also, he looks a lot like Fester Addams in the picture of him my local paper ran. Actually he looks like Aaron Spelling (Creator of Beverly Hills 90210 and Charmed) _______________ 4/20/2005----Left the academy because I did'nt feel welcomed. |
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Refl3x - Student 
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His only Nazi affliction was like 60 or so years ago i think thats enough time to change. Dont you? Besides I also do agree with Buzz's comment. He was probably forced into the army by Hitler and then had no choice as to what he was to do when he was a child. _______________ "The only child ever to survive a roundhouse kick by Chuck Norris was Gary Coleman. He has not grown since." Whachoo talkin bout Willis? Go Sox baby. This comment was edited by Refl3x on Apr 20 2005 11:54pm. |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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I agree with Buzz and the others, back then, most young men had no choice whether to join the army or the Nazi Youth Group. Hitler, as the totalitarian dictator he was, would probably punish someone who refused to comply with the Nazis. Therefore, he had to join the army and the Nazis, whether he liked it or not. Considering that he was one of Pope John Paul II's most trusted advisors, he does not carry with him any Nazi ideas. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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Apparently he was an anti-aircraft operator, and deserted a week before the war ended. What a little wimp. Also, he looks a lot like Fester Addams in the picture of him my local paper ran. _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Yeah if you were alive in Germany during that time you're almost 100% certain to have ties to the nazi's no matter how much you wish you didn't. He did join the hitler youth after it became compulsory. He also did desert from the nazi army. I really don't think choosing him was a bad choice. He was essentially John Paul II's primary advisor in a lot of things. So I really doubt if he'll be making any radical changes, for better or for worse depending on what your views may be. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Ooh, and as it turns out, he was drafted into the German army, too. He deserted near the end of the war, and ten years later, was ordained as a priest. |
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Menaxia - Student 
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Speaking as a Catholic, I can say that another very conservative Pope is exactly what we don't need.... ah well... _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Casual - Student 
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GOMGOM!!! The truth about the new pope! The similarity is striking. -Simo _______________ Thanks to the human heart by which we live, Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears, To me the meanest flower that blows can give Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears. This comment was edited by Casual on Apr 20 2005 01:08pm. |
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