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MINDofSIN - Student  |
Ahh, I'm kinda ticked off.
I go into a FF Saberonly Free For All and I see 75% of the guys there exclusively pull-backslashing or DFAing. I tried to counter those moves. The RDFA is very easy to avoid, but not when there are 5 guys coming at you from all side with it. Solution: Stay away from the center of the action. The pull-backslash was almost impossible to defend against. I ended up binding kill to a key and suiciding before someone could do it to me to get people doing other things. They called me a lamer. Uhhh. My efforts weren't very effective. I think I'm going to avoid public FFA servers like herpes from now on. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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ioshee - Student 
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Jedi Outcast is not a First Person Shooter (FPS)
It’s a TPS (third person slasher  ) _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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.Templar. - Ex-Student 
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Lol MoS, you have to admit, its quite a rush when your in the middle of a huge fight with like 15 people, and everywhere you turn your dodging a life-ending DFA, then slashing them in the back  ... Although... Its not so much fun with 500 ping  |
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SidaDyas - Ex-Student |
i agree with watching other people
just yesterday i played on a public server and saw this amazing combo by a guy. it looked like he used two stances in three swings. i was amazed but he wouldnt say how he did it. well if i didnt lag i could have focused on the fight but the lag was too extensive not to ignore.  _______________ Jedi wannabe yep that's me |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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hehe ur rite , DJ. (as always 
I like public duel servers a lot more. thus ppl can watch me, and I can watch ppl and their moves, tactics etc. also, ppl tend to behave there. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Wow calm down guys.. public servers are just that public servers.. and none of their rules make a lick of difference without the admin support to vback it up. If you head onto a pub and see people well behaved and dueling and saying gf and whatnot, wonderful. But don't be suprised if you get DFA'd 50 times in a row by some guy giving Hey you there's to every passer by. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Buzz - Student 
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You said "Mostly in public FFAs you will find 10-20 people standing around waiting for duels on Bespin Streets. You can start trouble and take on the server for fun but make sure you keep changing your name or else you get banned "
On a public server where people are standing around I see trouble as going around killing people. It sounds like you're encouraging people to do that on the public servers and are only frowning because you'll get banned for that behavior. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Haemon - Ex-Student 
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Buzz I actually never said anything about running up and attacking random people who are standing around. You can do far less to get a server running after you, such as not bowing before or a duel or just standing with your saber out. People on these servers have taken the mentality that they are all powerful and once they lose thats when the booting begins.
Most the supposed "lamers" that you hear people whining about are people who play to win. In Full Force duels people who whore drain and kick usually come out on the top. They would be considered "lamers" by most standards but not because they're being cheap but because they play to win. Lets all go find DJ's link that talked about scrubs. It applies to at least half the people on public FFA servers(I'm being nice when I say half). Also lets not forget that there is an actual mode made just for dueling. If more people would use it then more duel servers would spring up and then they wouldn't be as crowded so the lines wouldn't be as long. |
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Buzz - Student
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The stupid things I'm talking about is going onto a server where there are a bunch of people standing around waiting to duel and just to start killing people. And then saying to be ready to change your name because they'll try to kick you. That's what I find stupid. I don't care if you don't go around bowing saying your going to attack someone. I don't care if you do it at the academy either. I've said it many times that I don't really care for bowing, I consider accepting a challenge enough respect than the added amount of bowing. I nod as well because people aren't going to start raising hell about me being dishonorable. Go find another fps with a saber combat system and then show how they do things there. Do you think it will be more like unreal tournament or more like how its done on Jedi Outcast. And I'm done with this subject. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Haemon - Ex-Student
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What are these dumb things you're talking about Buzz? Fighting before bowing and telling them you're going to attack?
Outcast is a First Person Shooter(FPS). Every other FPS I play online seems to accept the fact that if you go into a server people will attack you regardless of what you are doing. As for rules on a server, thats a joke. Most of these servers are filled with people who attack you then run off and cry to the admin when you retaliate. Another thing Buzz, the rules are the Academy are just another variation of the Saber Code so by telling me to act on other servers the same way I act on the Academy servers is telling me to follow the Saber Code. Also I follow the rules here at the Academy because I agreed to them. I never agreed to any of the rules on public servers. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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We should act the same on publics as we do here, as I find it more fun being attacked unarmed and then trying to defend myself, for one reason. Also it commands a view of respect and honour (many people bash this but its all part of my RPG style )
By all means act the way you want, but don't force your way of playing, or your rules onto other people on a public server. Unless stated on entrance to the server, by rules on the servers webpage or by a present admin, typekilling, unarmed killing, bug exploits, all of that is perfectly legal. Don't go on a hardcore FFA server and complain about being type killed cos no ones gonna care and you make yourself look stupid (why do I keep going off topic in all the threads I post in ?) This isn't directed at anyone, but just a reminder to all. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Buzz - Student 
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No Yub, the backslash and the backstab are different moves. The Backstab is what you do in blue stance, its a direct stab behind you. The backslash is the yellow and red versions of it. You do a complete spinning swing behind you with the saber. I don't know if you ever played with 1.03 but it had the flaw that when you performed these movements you could still move your character around, and increasing your mouse sensitivity makes you spin even more so everytime that move connected it kept doing the same damage. So you would have these guys running around pulling people until they fell down then turn around and hit them with these moves, the backstab was a little more stable in positioning so it was favored. And in duels you'd just watch them run around backwards swinging their saber the whole time.
Haemon I don't really give a flying <explitive deleted> about any supposed saber code you think of. I've got a problem with people encouraging stupid behavior on public servers. Now there are some pretty stupid people out there and don't deserve much respect and some of them are running the servers but they are going to kick you off for dumb things. But you're saying go cause havoc and be sure to change your name so they don't ban you. That's really not the type of person I want to be listening to. Those are usually the ones that get banned from the academy servers here. Why should we act any different on public servers than we act here just because they don't have the same rules as we do? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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YubYub - Student 
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So backslash was replaced by the backstab in the 1.04 patch?
I will say that my style has bettered since joining the academy, i still tend to go in slashing and hopr for the best though. doesn't always turn out so well |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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After being in the JA for a while everybody develops a certain type of style that everybody in the academy has. Before I and almost everyone joined the academy they fought like that. Oh the dark ages before the JA such crappy times lol |
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Haemon - Ex-Student 
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"And haemon what you're suggesting is in such poor taste I won't even say any more about it. - Buzz Vader"
Awww did I break the Saber Code? Now I'm not a Jedi any more .
I could tell you how the Saber Code killed most of the community(not the patches), but thats for another time and another place. This comment was edited by Haemon on Mar 11 2003 05:24pm. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Yeah that was a bit low, encouraging people to be lamers, what kind of jedi are you ? 
1.04 is the best so far, if only the saber damage remained from 'vanilla' JKII 1.02. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Buzz - Student
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Worst thing to ever happen to JO was that 1.03 patch. It was the most stupid thing in the world to see all these people running around backwards trying to get kills. I asked about him being on a 1.03 server because there are some mods out there that allow you to switch between 1.02 1.03 and 1.04 depending on which type the server has. I could have learned to do that cheap manipulation of a flaw but I refused to even learn it. I didn't feel like doing a move that is impossible even in the star wars universe. And haemon what you're suggesting is in such poor taste I won't even say any more about it. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Hell, I know how to do it! I just refuse to.
I was 3rd or 4th out of about 20 people after a half hour or so. I don't really care about my own score, but it pisses off the people who do when you deny them a point for whoring the same move for hours on end. I've seen quite a few (1.03?) servers where that happens. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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Ah, those were the days ey ? It feels so long ago. The speed at which you could kill people like this was amazing, but ultimately ruined the game, as any other move was a bit pointless. Even if you did have abosrb, it'd be a simple case of them kicking you down, then doing it.
Don't brush up on it, once you get hooked on the easy kills, cos not many people do it anymore or know about it, you'll wanna keep doing it The path to the darkside, that move is. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Haemon - Ex-Student
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You can get 1.03 play on a 1.04 server if the patch wasn't installed correctly. This was a big problem right as it came out but most servers fixed it. The CTF server [united]corusant is one that has 1.03 gameplay.
In regard to pull/backslash the answer is obvious, absorb. If you're dark then switch to light because thats what dominates 1.03 servers simply because of absorb. If you try to take on a backslasher with regular swings you will lose, if he has any idea of what he is doing. As for self killing in a FFA, thats just dumb. You're working for a personal score in a FFA. If you find a rather empty 1.03 server(I mean a 1.04 server that runs like 1.03) I can teach you pull/backslash(backstab is better for 1 on 1). I learned it from Emperor Lightning and perfected it on public servers. You really shouldn't encounter too many servers like this but anybody that knew 1.03 play will dominate the server. Mostly in public FFAs you will find 10-20 people standing around waiting for duels on Bespin Streets. You can start trouble and take on the server for fun but make sure you keep changing your name or else you get banned  .
p.s. Can you tell me the server because I wouldn't mind brushing up on the ol' pull/bs? |
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YubYub - Student
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by back slash do you mean the yellwo stance, two-handed back spin? Or something else? If i see you on the servers you are gonna have to show me that move. Sounds wierd. |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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Pull-BackSLASH.
They pull about 10 times, you fall, they backslash you. I use the Dark side 90% of the time so I can't absorb. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Buzz - Student
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Were you in a 1.03 server? How were they killing you with pull backstab if it was a 1.04 server? I haven't been killed by a move like that in ages. Most FFA servers are nothing but people jumping around doing rdfa's. Nothing is better though than getting in there and killing them with actual moves and then singling out a guy to kill on your own and move from one to the next. I always enjoy joining a public server and racking up more kills in 20 minutes than the guy that's been there for an hour letting his ego get big. Its always nice to come back here though and enjoy decent fights. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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