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Phantom - Student  |
Ok so if you read this then you know that obiwan beats Anikin in the third moive, therefore proving that he is better than him. But in the fourth moive they appered to be at a stalemate? So can anyone explain this? _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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skankerkid - Student 
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I think that Obi-Wan realized that Darth Vader's power's grew while Luke was growing up, and that Anakin would fulfill the prophecy in time, and to do that he needed to be "defeated" (even though he wasn't really defeated because he achieved a form of immortality, like Yoda and Qui-Gon) _______________ Shout out to DJ Sith cause he's my big bro. Shout out to Debbie because she's my sister in-law. Also it aint cool if aint skewed. |
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ioshee - Student 
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I think they were pretty much at a stalemate in Episode III too. Anakin lost because he got cocky and underestimated Obi-Wan's ability to reach up and hack 3/4 of his limbs off. My point is that I think their two duels were very similar (as far as them being evenly matched is concerned). The first one ended when Obi-Wan got a situational advantage over Vader. The second one ended when Obi-Wan gave Vader a situational advantage over himself. And both duels ended based on the will of the force. And by force I mean Lucas. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Mirael D'Kana - Student 
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In the fourth movie Obi-Wan loses because he wanted to sacrifice himself and distract Vader from Luke/Leia/Han. They were to escape with Death Star plans, didn't they ? _______________ -The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make heaven of Hell, and a hell of Heaven.(John Milton)- Mirael D'Kana, daughter and Padawan to Jaina D'Kana, proud mastress to Crash D'Kana and Saige D'Kana. Winner of Henkes' Pure Pwnage Award. Proud owner of Jaina's 999th post. Proud user of Odan Wei's JA Logo in my avatar. -SWG random quote: People use hammers to knock holes in the wall. I use a hammer to knock Bounty Hunters' teeth out.- |
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The Dragon Reborn - Student 
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In Ep.3 Obi Wan only beat Ani/Vader because the dark lord overestimated his own strength, and attemted to make a force jump that he couldn't manage, and Obi Wan sliced him in mid jump. _______________ Padawan to Solitude "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to... suffering" -Jedi Master Yoda "I shall not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will allow it to pass over me and through me, and when it has gone i will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only i will remain." -Bene Gesserit Litany, Dune |
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Phantom - Student 
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Yea I know I just found out today. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Zadus - Student 
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*SPOILER*SPOILER* Obi wan does train as the years pass. he communicates with Qui-gon and then he trains what Qui-gon teaches him. _______________ Owner of Raydoes 315 and BDKawkia's 500 comments! |
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Ecks - Student 
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Considering that Vader still killed off all the Jedi, and could pretty much match Luke DESPITE his limbs, I'd say that Obi was still a little bit more at a disadvantage. Not to mention Obi let Vader win. You can have any theory, but the movie shows Obi raising his saber and then letting Vader cut him down. I dunno who would've won had it continued, but the point is, Obi let Vader win at that moment, so it was never decisively said who was better. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." This comment was edited by Ecks on May 14 2005 02:39am. |
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Carve - Student 
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C'mon, C1, this one is easy. How many times did they say that the Jedi Council was having issues seeing things? Besides, he assumed Anakin would die, not become Darth Vader. I really think trying to put this all down to skill levels is effectively only judging what you see at face value. Furthermore, I think that saying, "Oh, well Obi-Wan wasn't practicing and was older" can easily be countered by the fact that Anakin and Obi-Wan were relative equals at lightsaber dueling by the end of Episode III, but Anakin sort of, you know, loses all his limbs. I'd say that would set you further back in training than a few years of inactivity, wouldn't you? _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on May 14 2005 01:28am. |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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By that theory, why didn't he let Anakin win in Ep3 instead of crippling the poor guy. No wonder why he's pissed at him!!! _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Obi Wan is 16 yrs Anakins Senior In Episode 3 Anakin is 22 and Obi Wan is 38 the events of Episode 4 occur 20 yrs after Epi 3 While Obi Wan has been sittin on Tatooine with both thumbs looking for an XBOX controller Anakin/Vader has been slicing up renegade Jedi and studying the dark side with his new Daddy. Vader owns Obi Wan in ANH The difference in age and practice with the Saber is the factor. Not to mention that Obi Wan was only toying with Vader knowing that if Vader did strike him down...it would only make Kenobi more powerful than he could imagine. Peace _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: In the fourth movie, Obi-Wan's 60ish; whereas Anakin is around 40-50. 'Note: I could be wrong about these ages, but I'm just using information I've seen from pictures in the trilogy.  Age doesnt matter with the force. Look at Yoda. He was 800-900 years old in Ep. 2 when he fought Dooku and he could have beat him to. But to answer your question he lets himself get killed by vader, it doesnt end in a stale-mate. Yes but yodas species are known to live up to 800-1200 yeas (roughly) so thats just like normal for him. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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they both got older, anakin was grown more powerfull, Obi 1 hasnt really been that involved in the jedi for like 35 years after ep 3. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Carve - Student 
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I haven't bothered reading any posts so someone may have said this, but Obi-Wan purposefully lost to Darth Vader. When Obi-Wan said that he would become more powerful than Vader could possibly imagine, that wasn't just a taunt. He meant it. His death was instrumental in the development of Luke and his ability to influence Luke throughout the movies. Obi-Wan's death was a huge motivating factor which allowed him to fulfill his destiny which tied in with Vader's (to restore balance to the Force). _______________ © |
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Kueller - Student 
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There will be plenty of room for the series to go through that big area _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills 
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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We don't know what happened during the time gap between apisodes three and four. For all we know, Obi-Wan became a pimp for a while, or worked in the McDonals in Mos Espa. My point is, he COULD have kept training, we simply don't know, and that's the beauty of it. Anything could have happened. And remember, Jedi can see an attack coming before it actually happens, so this would explain (partially) why Kenobi was able to stand up to Vader, the rest is a simple case of muscle memory. Who knows for sure what happened in that 20 year gap? I sure don't, and for now, I like it like that. - Virtue.  _______________ Academy Architect |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Quote: Yea but Obi would have got experiance fighting the creatures and Sand people on tanttoine. He wasnt just sleeping. Let's see, sand people on a distant planet versus the galaxy's most prominent Jedi. Kenyon are you sure you arent English, with that saracism im sure u just might be _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Quote: Yea but Obi would have got experiance fighting the creatures and Sand people on tanttoine. He wasnt just sleeping. Let's see, sand people on a distant planet versus the galaxy's most prominent Jedi. |
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Phantom - Student 
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Quote: Obi-Wan and Anakin are human. Yoda is not. So I don't think the age comparison works here.  Well, Obi-Wan went into hiding on Tatooine, and Vader became a Dark Lord. The age difference is there, but more importantly Vader was actively pursuing Jedi while Obi-Wan didn't get any additional experience in the field. I would've expected Vader to totally mop the floor with Obi-Wan, but it didn't matter because Obi simply lowered his saber. Yea but Obi would have got experiance fighting the creatures and Sand people on tanttoine. He wasnt just sleeping. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance
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Quote: Age doesnt matter with the force. Look at Yoda. He was 800-900 years old in Ep. 2 when he fought Dooku and he could have beat him. Obi-Wan and Anakin are human. Yoda is not. So I don't think the age comparison works here. Well, Obi-Wan went into hiding on Tatooine, and Vader became a Dark Lord. The age difference is there, but more importantly Vader was actively pursuing Jedi while Obi-Wan didn't get any additional experience in the field. I would've expected Vader to totally mop the floor with Obi-Wan, but it didn't matter because Obi simply lowered his saber. |
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Ashyr - Student 
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You don't think that Vader got better over 20+ years? Plus, after fighting ObiWan, I think he gained some experience in how to fight him. _______________ Top ten reasons to get a better computer...|My fan |
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Phantom - Student
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I know but during the fight it appered as they evenly matched (before he let Vader win) _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Zadus - Student
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Quote: In the fourth movie, Obi-Wan's 60ish; whereas Anakin is around 40-50. 'Note: I could be wrong about these ages, but I'm just using information I've seen from pictures in the trilogy. Age doesnt matter with the force. Look at Yoda. He was 800-900 years old in Ep. 2 when he fought Dooku and he could have beat him to. But to answer your question he lets himself get killed by vader, it doesnt end in a stale-mate. _______________ Owner of Raydoes 315 and BDKawkia's 500 comments! |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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In the fourth movie, Obi-Wan's 60ish; whereas Anakin is around 40-50. Note: I could be wrong about these ages, but I'm just using information I've seen from pictures in the trilogy. |
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