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Ulic Belouve - Student  |
OK, So get this. I'm at a library, just searchin', Googling stuff, and the librarian comes over and asks if I have my card. No, I don't, but that was OK with the staff. She gets all bitchy, and then sees that all the Internet Explorer options are available (Internet Options and whatnot). So then she gets me up, gives a "Well now you're getting into things you shouldn't be getting into." I hadn't touched those things at all, I told her that, and also told her I work in tech support, so I would know what those are and how unharmless they are. THEN, she accuses me of doing something illegal, and that I cleared the history. But the history is all there. I must have cleared out the illegal things I was doing. So I'm like, OK, whatever. Go wander around, and then look decide to look up a book. Go to one of the catalog computers (where you are only able to do the searches, nothing else) and everything is open on THAT one. I do my search, see that all security settings are set to low (allow all cookies, allow all popups, go to whatever sites you wish), then exit back out and go back to searching. Same librarian comes over and is now CERTAIN I am doing something illegal. She asks why I would exploit a computer that has those things turned off (when I am just searching for a book like the computer is meant for), and what illegal things I was doing where I had to clear the history. (which, idiots, the past 14 day history is still there). So I leave, and then find I was banned, they took it to the head librarian, etc. This is just retarded. For some 'cranky woman' to call me a criminal just for using their 'junk-a-tacular' computers. Not my fault their shell or whatever sucks. I didn't even try to break it at all, it was all open when I got there. Pfft. So that's my rant. I'm gonna talk to the head guy anyways, because this is just 'messed up'. Sorry if the rant got a little vulgar. I can edit if someone wants me to. (And I guess someone did, so it's done and done.) _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This post was edited by Ulic Belouve on Jun 01 2005 08:50pm. |
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Jaina D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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hmm...i've only been to the library once since i moved house. My net was down and I needed to check my email...i asked at the counter if i could use a computer without a card, and they were fine about it. _______________ INTP |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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I can't wait until some banned JA member makes a new profile and writes something like "I'm banned from a retarded community called the JA." I'm going to have so much fun laughing at that person when he/she gets banned again.  _______________ In the navy and LOVING it! 
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Fate - Student 
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/me is with Java on this one _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Make sure your letter explicitly mention their backpeddling, that they initially said "illegal" and then changed it to "questionable" when they realized they don't even know what they're talking about. Stay calm, be polite, but don't back down. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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I did speak with someone to get the information on complaints, and they seem to be backpedaling a bit there based on what I have already indicated to them. They won't say "ban", they'll say I have "restricted access", and that I am also on some staff "watch list". And it was "questionable", not illegal. This is just amusing. I'm going to bleed them a little bit more, it seems. So I'm not banned from using the library, I don't know the extent of it yet, but I may not be able to check things out or use the computers. Sounds pretty close to a ban to me. Letter is almost done. I keep reviewing it and working things out. Need to be very direct in the letter. It's still the illegal thing that bugs me, and the fact that they don't know their way around a computer at all. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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You know, this reminds me of a time when I decided to go to the library. I was looking around for books and I guess they had a replacement for the librarian or whatever, since I never seen her at the library before (but it's not like I frequent there daily, more like every 3 months at least.) Anywho, I was looking around at books for whatever reason, and later I decided to leave the library. As I was headed for the exit, it seems the librarian stalked me all the way over and she pulled my shoulder and said, "You did NOT sign in. Get OUT." So I rolled my eyes and said, "yeah, sure, whatever." So I turned and head back towards the exit and she yelled "Hey!" So I turned around and I looked at her again, and she said rather violently this time "get OUT!" So I got pretty annoyed and said "what in the HELL is a SIGN IN?" This resulted in me having to leave the library even if I didn't want to for so-called "harassment." Go fork yourself. _______________ slorp |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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My wife is a reference librarian at a public library, and yes, there are pretty strict rules about what you have to do to get banned from the library, a lot more than just a concensus of the staff. This is the Greene County Public Library system in Ohio, and of course different counties will have different rules, but I'm sure the rules give the patron (a taxpayer, as you point out) the benefit of the doubt everywhere. And again, they accused him of doing something illegal. That really crosses the line. He really needs to get a statement in writing saying what crime they're accusing him of...and pass it on to an attorney if necessary (though more likely they'll back down when asked to put it in writing). _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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skankerkid - Student 
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heres my question, is it a public library? because if you pay taxes for it you have the right to step in there, and im pretty sure there had to be some sort of concencius of all of a good portion of the staff in order to get you banned. but i don't know if they have the right to do so because you pay taxes. the only thing that this teaches me is to not piss off librarians on their periods, espcecially guys, that could be ugly. _______________ Shout out to DJ Sith cause he's my big bro. Shout out to Debbie because she's my sister in-law. Also it aint cool if aint skewed. |
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AndAgram - Ex-Student 
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hehe i broke my librarys computers and now they need a new internet, i'm not banned but i spose ur librarian was some kind of grape and umm... go team! _______________ JOIN THE DARK SIDE!, we have cookies... Don't have a lightsaber? How will you defend yourself against the Sith? Click here to select the model that's right for you. if you strike me down, you'll lose your no claims bonus... |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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I ALWAYS KNEW ULIC WAS USING LIBRARY COMPUTERS TO PLOT SOME KIND OF ILLEGAL TERRORIST ACTIVITY!!! BANT!!! Seriously though, thats ****** stupid.  The letter thing sounds like a good idea, although I know I would have gone straight for the jugular with the lawsuit...good luck buddy. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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3th - Retired 
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you just met the first line of homeland security Ulic. welcome to the new world order. hope you voted republican! _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Weird. My library has everything in whatever MS's name for kiosk mode is (read: restricted to the max), so you can't access or change anything that even looks like it might be an option. And the librarians, while not technically-minded, are very friendly. :/ Sorry to hear about your bad experience Ulic. Yes, my hometown is exactly like that. I was just appaled at whatever lack of items there were for security, because if they were shut down on two stations by me just walking over to them, there is an issue. I am very passionate about online security, with the tech position I am in, I do a lot of work on a daily basis to educate the customers on security, and I see where public spots like this are the ones that often are a large hole. But that's another issue. I am starting on my formal letter. I really don't mind the banning or whatever. I can live with never touching their computers again. But to imply that I am criminal is crossing the line. That's the issue at hand. I am just using this to reasonably vent prior to any formal contact. It just really wound me up (if you read the first rendition of this post, edited since), and I am glad I can vent so that I have a clearer head on the issue when writing my formal complaint. Really, if anyone has any better ideas, let me know. JavaGuy did help out here, thanks. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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Weird. My library has everything in whatever MS's name for kiosk mode is (read: restricted to the max), so you can't access or change anything that even looks like it might be an option. And the librarians, while not technically-minded, are very friendly. :/ Sorry to hear about your bad experience Ulic. _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Phantom - Student 
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Damm crazy libarians!  _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Well, DJ's convinced. Ya got me. Time to break out the moltov cocktailsthem, like suggested. Man, I really shouldn't joke like that, or someone will have me banned. I'm doing the letter thing, and probably just a call soon after it had been sent out. This is just annoying. I don't even know enough about theirsystem to properly describe what may havebroken, so how was I tobreak it? And the spacebar suckson this work keyboard. I'm just chock-full of complaints, huh? _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Serves you right you terrorist!! _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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I'm with JavaGuy on this one. I don't know if I mentioned that I am one of the lead High-Speed Data technicians for the Wisconsin area. But I do have the backing of a lot of supervisors here, so they're with the "speak to the head person there" I'll likely do the letter or something, simply because the whole judging me and calling me a criminal is not only unprofessional, but can be considered slander. I will just pass this on to them, more of courtesy. If this is vulnerable, I could see someone else taking advantage of it much more. Thanks guys, it just really irked me. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Thomasooo - Student 
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Oh my...pesky librarians are the main reason I never visit the library (at least the one where I live...the one at school is good. ).  _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
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This comment was edited by Thomasooo on Jun 01 2005 04:45pm. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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Pathetic. Isn't a librarian supposed to be an expert at classification systems. Don't most of these systems nowadays involve computers? It might just be pure spite. Maybe he/she was having a really bad day. In any case, you certainly shouldn't just accept it. _______________ make install -not war |
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JavaGuy - Student
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Talk to a journalist at your local paper. You might be able to convince a journalist to go in and try it himself. It won't be big news, but the head librarian will go ballistic if she sees even a small article that makes her look incompetent. Write a letter to the head of the library system, or to the board of trustees (emphasize that you're very concerned about the staff's ignorance of basic computer literacy). Get an attorney to send a letter to the head librarian. Usually a single certified letter from an attorney is enough to clear up these matters--you won't actually have to sue. If you're banned for doing something illegal, they should say what exactly it is they're accusing you of, and you should insist on getting it in writing--if they put it in writing, and it's pure crap, you can threaten a libel suit. Again, you don't have to sue, but you can impress upon them that this is no small matter. It amazes me how some public servants treat the taxpayers. I could write quite a rant about it myself. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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Thats so goddam harsh! If the top guy is an eejit also and doesnt listen, be sure to hit the trashy horror novels for me when you dispense some sweet molotov cocktail flavour justice on the place. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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