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Ok, I just got EP 4-6 on DVD and aside from some replacements of models to digital starships / animals, there are about 5 major changes: 1. In the cantina, Han & Greedo fire at the same time but Greedo misses. 2. Han talks to Jabba in Ep4 before he enters the Mellenium Falcon at Mos Eisley. 3. Theres a dance new number in Jabba's audience chamber. 4. There is a new song while they are on Jabba's sail barge. 5. Instead of the original Actor that played the apparition of Anakin in Ep6, thy put Hayden Christensen which I thought was total crap because they didnt evne make him look old or anything, he looks the exact same from Ep3. So #s 1 & 2 are the bad ones in my opinion but thats why this is a forum so I can hear (or read) what everyone else thinks. _______________ Shout out to DJ Sith cause he's my big bro. Shout out to Debbie because she's my sister in-law. Also it aint cool if aint skewed. |
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Luke Skywalker - Student 
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Sorry Buzz, but you're the same way. You're blind if you don't see it. Anyway... take it to IRC or PM, move along.  _______________  Luke Skywalker
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: No Kenyon, and take your smug little attitude somewhere else. Oh, but I need something to counter yours. Hahaha, Awsome. LOL Don't take my accusatory nature and try to equate it to your smug little passive aggressive nature you have kenyon. You pull this crap all the time and it disgusts me. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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hey hey it's cool matsky nothing wrong here, I hope I didn't get on your bad side hehe  and I totally get what your trying to say.btw I love your pic!   _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 16 2005 02:18am. |
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Matsky - Student 
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*I bow down graciously to JavaGuy's wisdom* You made the point about the real models vs computer graphics better than I could lol. That's exactly what I meant. And Plo Kloon hey mate I don't wanna get on your wrong side hey so I'll bow out of this debate lol. I will say though that I didn't mean the whole thing was "too much about Anakin and Obi-Wan" I was meaning to draw a comparison between 1-3 and 4-6 by saying there are alot more characters who develop and change in 4-6, but Anakin is the only one who develops really in 1-3. This comment was edited by Matsky on Jun 16 2005 02:31am. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Concerning how many "original" versions there are, I'd just like to point out that even the film released to cinemas in 1977 was not identical in every part of the country. Aside from the "blasphemous" changes to character and storyline that people complain about, there is simply the fact the more footage is added in, making the films longer. More for your buck? Not in my opinion. Watching the original film was really exciting to me. One thing that made it great was that there was not one second of screen time that didn't move the story along. Adding in more eye-candy shots may be fun for the effects guys but really just makes the film ponderous to watch. The extra digital imagery also suffers from the same problem as the CGI stuff in Phantom Menace--too sterile. One thing that really made the original films great was that, although they played fast-and-loose with the laws of physics, there was still a plausibility to it all, a gritty realism. You could believe that if humans and aliens lived in a galaxy-spanning society, it might be like this. One reason was that, rather than pristine computer models, real models and real sets were filmed. The cantina in Mos Eisley sounded like a real live redneck bar (and believe me, I've been to a few) and had the whole seedy-bar-atmosphere feeling to it because there were real live actors playing the parts of patrons in a dive bar. The CGI scenes added in lack the proper background noise, the whole feel to it. In the original trilogy, stuff got dirty, which added greatly to the film's believability over previous space fantasy romps: Super-advanced civilization or not, stuff still gets dirty. Remember Blade Runner? Most of you are too young to have seen it on the big screen, but when I saw it in the theater as a kid it scared the living bejeezus out of me. It was a heart-pounding, adrenaline-pulsing, knuckles-white-on-the-edge-of-the-seat scary movie that really moved along. When it came out on video, this was the early days of VHS when re-editing for video was a new idea, and the box boldly proclaimed that the video version had 22 minutes of exciting footage cut from the theatric release, a supposed plus. I watched it, and it was really ponderous to watch. The 22 minutes added were all eye-candy shots--really good eye-candy, to be sure--but just extra footage that didn't move the story along. What had been one of the most exciting and adrenaline-pumping films I had ever seen had become a real chore to watch. There's a reason why films are edited before they are released. A movie is a complete work of art, like a painting or a symphony, not simply a collection of camera shots. Just because a particular brushstroke is great or a musical phrase brilliant doesn't mean it belongs in a particular work. And plenty of great shots are filmed that are left out of great movies--including them all spoils the film. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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Quote: Plo's view is that Lucas can do no wrong Hmmm yes, but it is only rational because he made them, and he can do whatever he likes with them, for they are his and not ours. Quote: and so he loves everything he does Hmm yes I do love everything he makes because they make me happy, there are enough bad things in the world so it's nice to forget them for a while. Pointing out and nitpicking little things just isn't what I do really, I just want to relax and slip into a galaxy far far away... Quote: and if you start to get critical he goes "well then these movies just aren't for you" I said to matsky star wars might not be for you because he said "too much about anikan, why is there so much anikan developement, why is it always about obiwan and anikan". You can bash me all you want, but in the end I will always take the makers word over a bystanders. Lucas said himself that Star Wars is the story of Anikan, so yes I will believe him, he can make it how he wants. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 15 2005 06:08pm. |
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Quote: No Kenyon, and take your smug little attitude somewhere else. Oh, but I need something to counter yours. Quote: Plo's view is that Lucas can do no wrong and so he loves everything he does and if you start getting critical he goes "well then these movies just aren't for you." Yeah, so? Quote: Common sense would say that Anakin would as well. Whose? Quote: And there aren't 2 versions of the films released. There are 3. The originals, the special edition, and the dvd with even more alterations. Three, yes. I was referring to this particular scene, however, which to my knowledge was not altered in the special editions. This comment was edited by Kenyon on Jun 15 2005 05:52pm. |
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No Kenyon, and take your smug little attitude somewhere else. It would be if Da Vinci had made a few touch ups to the original painting. What you're saying would be true if Lucas completely remade the originals with all new effects and visuals. Plo's view is that Lucas can do no wrong and so he loves everything he does and if you start getting critical he goes "well then these movies just aren't for you." I don't say anything like that to him. I say that it should be the way it described because of common sense. In the same way anakin shouldn't be a floating blue torso he shouldn't look like a man younger than his own son. Obi wan and yoda both appear as their age at death. Common sense would say that Anakin would as well. And there aren't 2 versions of the films released. There are 3. The originals, the special edition, and the dvd with even more alterations. It will continue to get harder and harder to find the original versions and likely even the special edition releases. Any future releases will be whatever he does further to the originals. So the public won't be getting their choices. Let me know if you vhs copies are still watchable in 15 years, or if you can even find a vcr to play them on. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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Quote: And the whole story being about Anakin? Hmm... I guess you could look at it that way, but to say "the whole thing is about Anakin, and partially about his kids" is a total cop-out. That seems very amusing to me, when the man who created all of the movies said "The whole thing really is mainly about Anikan, how he was a cute kid that made some bad choices, and fell to the dark side. Later it tells about his son, who did what Vader couldn't do; turn away from the dark side. It's all about Father and son, parents and their kids, but it's mainly about Anikan. His fall to the dark side and redemtion into the light.". Go watch some interviews with George Lucas on Episode III _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 15 2005 05:12pm. |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Quote: He should look the way he would look at the age of his death if he were not to have been burned. If you don't get this then you are CLUELESS. I bow before your greater wisdom, Buzz, for dictating whatever a movie should be. I agree in the sense that I like that version better - the old, unscarred Anakin. I don't agree with going so far to call people clueless because they don't agree with your opinion. Capitalization for emphasis is the sure sign of a stressful mind.You are both arguing on different sides of the same coin - Lucas released two versions of the original trilogy. Unfortunately, only one of these versions was released on DVD, but the public can still choose whatever version they prefer. So both your arguments fall flat - whatever the movie should be depends on your personal preference, and cannot be used as an argument. And whatever George's thoughts on the matter are, I couldn't care less. I am the proud owner of both versions, and no one can tell me which one is more "canon". It's like Leonardo da Vinci painting Madonna of the Rocks, repainting it again 23 years later and proclaiming the new version as his final vision. I'm sure that the second one is more important to the artist, but I like the first one better (this actually happened, by the way, but not because the famous artist had a change of vision - the church did). Quote: It's like stripping an antique cupboard down, painting it pink and putting a plasma-screen on it. For that wonderful metaphor, you get a free cookie. |
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Matsky - Student 
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Easy greasy! Lol. Then Yoda should be all flemmy and palid and sweaty, coz thats how he died. I'm saying it's an apparition, a representation - a spirit. Vader came back to the light side and should look like a Jedi, we agree yes? Where we differ is the age he should look. Lucas has decided to make him look as he did as a Jedi at 22. We are saying he should look his age, while still being a Jedi. And to me his spirit, as I said, looks ALOT like Vader (even through the scars, it's the same actor and you can easilly see the resemblance). Obi-Wan could have chosen to look young and spritely if that's the case, so too could Yoda, but they don't. And the whole story being about Anakin? Hmm... I guess you could look at it that way, but to say "the whole thing is about Anakin, and partially about his kids" is a total cop-out. If I was to guess, I'd say you watched Episode I, and then the 'originals' (which I will call them on principle). The 'new generation'. For fans of the 'originals' we wouldn't fob off the story of Luke and Leia as a 'partial bit of the story'. Star Wars is definately 'for me', if it can be 'for' anyone....... EDIT: Oh and isn't Lucas quoted to say "he did the new ones because he always wanted to go back and tell the story of Anakin"? Yes, yes I think you watched the new ones before the old... I think that'll be a problem faced with the new generation of SW fans... Also, sure it's Lucas' movie man, we're just having a discussion here, not burning our SW bra's because we don't like something about it. Lighten up brotha! And anyway, it is Lucas' movie, but it'd be nothing but another old dusty 70s Sci-Fi no-one watches without the fans This comment was edited by Matsky on Jun 15 2005 09:22am. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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I think what your trying to say is, that's the way you want him to look, but sadly he did get burned, so the way he should look isn't for us to decide. I'm not trying to come off saying your not a fan, but, It's not our movie, it's lucas's. I guess the last thing we both should share on this matter is, we both have our different opinions and our seperate ways, but we can't always get what we want. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 15 2005 07:55am. |
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Buzz - Student 
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plo, he should look the way he would look at the age of his death if he were not to have been burned. If you don't get this then you are CLUELESS. No one says that anakin should be a hovering torso at the end of Return of the Jedi. They're saying he should be a 50 year old man not a 22 year old. And again you're claiming that if we don't like star wars like you then we can't possibly be fans. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Jun 15 2005 07:02am. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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If they showed what Anikan looked like while glowing, he wouldn't have arms or legs, and he surely wouldn't look like some old dude who doesn't look anything like him, with a comb-over hairdo. Anikans scalp was set aflame until it bubbled and cracked, he could no longer grow hair because the hair folickles(spelling?) inside his scalp where practicly insinerated. You think the force would show mechanical body parts, or even real body parts when Anikan had none? the force is a natural thing. At Anikans time of death he had no arms or legs. Matsky if you say that theres too much about Anikan, then star wars really isn't for you. The whole thing is about Anikan and partially his kids. No matter how many times you say you like the originals or the prequels better, I will always say it's one huge story, not ment to be split in two. From now on I'm going to stop calling 4-6 the originals, and 1-3 the prequels. They shall all be known, as one big thing. STAR WARS... (well to me anyway ) _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 15 2005 06:52am. |
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Matsky - Student
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Quote: His face should still be an unscarred version of how he looked at death. Not the face of someone Luke would have absolutely no clue he would be looking at. I dread what Lucas will do on the next release where you can get all 6 movies together. Probably mutilate the Palpatine of 6 to look like the bad makeup job in episode 3, digitally insert hayden's head into the unmasked vader spot as he dies. Replace all of the blue glows of obi-wan with Ewan's, and insert the digital yoda. I totally agree. I pray he doesn't touch the lightsabers, there is something awesome about them in the old ones that is lacking in the new. Maybe because they're not used so often, and seem to glow alot more. The blue ones look like 'ice' and I love it, the green one just looks totally cool. I am basically furious that he replaced Anakin in the originals. You just saw his helmet get taken off, and the spirit still resembles the scarred head ALOT (the eybrows and stuff). Obi-Wan and Yoda are how they looked at death - Anakin should be too (though I'm ok without the scarring, looking like the Jedi he should have been). And why does Lucas suddenly hate models so much! Models made Star Wars. They were just so gritty and real. In our modern age computer graphics are used so much they just lack the down-to-earth reality that models provide. I mean... They're classics man, touch them up here and there, make 'em smooth and good sound, fix up some glitches, put in a deleted scene or two - but don't overdo it. It's like stripping an antique cupboard down, painting it pink and putting a plasma-screen on it. On another note, what I think that made the old ones good but the new ones don't have: - a shorter time span (the old ones were a year or two apart, each of the new ones is like 10 years) - character development (look at Han Solo, Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker, and at how they develop, whereas in the new ones, it's only Anakin that we see really 'develop' and change) - not sure how to say it, but more constant 'feel' to the props and ships (in the old ones we had the Millenium Falcon, Tie Fighters, X-Wings, Star Destroyers to 'tie' it all together and keep a constant feel, in the new ones the ships are totally different, the Naboo ships are the only constant ones we have, perhaps due to the large time-gaps) - less characters? Or perhaps not less, but maybe a tighter 'group' or 'friendship'. It's more fun when it's a group of friends going through problems than just Anakin and Obi-Wan (the Padme thing feels too 'false' for me) - too much to take in. I know Lucas wanted this one to feel more vast so we really so how small the galaxy is to Luke in the old ones, but is it too much for us to take in? Things are just glossed over, whereas we get right into things in the old ones and get to know them (like Hoth, Tauntons, etc in the old ones, but planets in the new ones are just eye-candy and we don't spend much time there, like the planet Obi-Wan goes to in RotS and rides that lizard, in comparison to the Hoth/Taunton stuff I mentioned) - too little 'Good vs. Evil' stuff and too much about Anakin? The old ones had the 'Rebellion' and the 'Empire' and it was so cool, in this one the evil element is too vague most of the time, though the Trade Federation droids make up alot for this (and do help with the point I mentioned earlier about 'constant feel' I might add. - and I have to say it - a little too corny. The old ones had plenty and plenty of 'cornyness' but it was cool, not like the new ones where the 'cornyness' just seems to be there to appeal to children (like Jar Jar, the stuff the battle droids say at times, etc) Oh yeh and I hope to hell when Lucas brings out this new set with all 6, he has it organised or packaged or woteva to sort of make it obvious to watch them from 4, 5, 6 first and then 1, 2, 3. That is the ONLY way to watch 'em in my opinion! |
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Quote: His face should still be an unscarred version of how he looked at death. Not the face of someone Luke would have absolutely no clue he would be looking at. I dread what Lucas will do on the next release where you can get all 6 movies together. Probably mutilate the Palpatine of 6 to look like the bad makeup job in episode 3, digitally insert hayden's head into the unmasked vader spot as he dies. Replace all of the blue glows of obi-wan with Ewan's, and insert the digital yoda. And have more subtle occurances with scantily-clad women having their boobs pop out of their suit, don't cha know. _______________ slorp |
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His face should still be an unscarred version of how he looked at death. Not the face of someone Luke would have absolutely no clue he would be looking at. I dread what Lucas will do on the next release where you can get all 6 movies together. Probably mutilate the Palpatine of 6 to look like the bad makeup job in episode 3, digitally insert hayden's head into the unmasked vader spot as he dies. Replace all of the blue glows of obi-wan with Ewan's, and insert the digital yoda. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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Quote: I think with Anikan at the end it showed when he was still good, and had a body. He was good at the end yes but they put him in before he was mutilated, the force is natural so it wouldn't show the fake prosthetics. They could've had him with half arms and half legs all burnt up, bald, with huge scars, a half open chest (yes the chestpeice was built directly into his flesh and lungs, so if they made him the way he would've been, he would look like blob of flesh with eyes). I personally like it this way better (with Hayden), I mean darth vader didn't have real legs or arms, plus machine part's where built into his body, his throat could be not flesh, just infused with flesh and metal. They could've shown him in a wheel chair with no arms or legs Sazabi and trooper _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 04 2005 03:16am. |
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Quote: Yea I don't like the adding of Hayden in ROTJ either. It doesn't make sense, Yoda is old, Obi-Wan is old yet Anakin stays young? Does this mean if you turn to the dark side when you're young and come back to the light when you are dying that you will be forever young in the after-life? ..............hmmmm.....  obi looks quite young to me too he just has beard , different hairstyle... but same ... he is still obi-wan  and about this anakin business...well just be happy they didnt put the EP1 actor in to EP6... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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skankerkid - Student 
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Quote: "2. Han talks to Jabba in Ep4 before he enters the Mellenium Falcon at Mos Eisley." He did that before... I beg to differ, If you were to check the original movie Ice-Man, you will see no such seen with Harrison Ford acting with a computer generated (or rubber) Jabba the hut. This scene was only included by Lucas recently and was most likley cut from the movie for time length reasons. _______________ Shout out to DJ Sith cause he's my big bro. Shout out to Debbie because she's my sister in-law. Also it aint cool if aint skewed. |
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"2. Han talks to Jabba in Ep4 before he enters the Mellenium Falcon at Mos Eisley." He did that before... |
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Plo Koon - Student
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I think with Anikan at the end it showed when he was still good, and had a body. He was good at the end yes but they put him in before he was mutilated, the force is natural so it wouldn't show the fake prosthetics. They could've had him with half arms and half legs all burnt up, bald, with huge scars, a half open chest (yes the chestpeice was built directly into his flesh and lungs, so if they made him the way he would've been, he would look like blob of flesh with eyes). I personally like it this way better (with Hayden), I mean darth vader didn't have real legs or arms, plus machine part's where built into his body, his throat could be not flesh, just infused with flesh and metal. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 03 2005 10:24am. |
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Yea I don't like the adding of Hayden in ROTJ either. It doesn't make sense, Yoda is old, Obi-Wan is old yet Anakin stays young? Does this mean if you turn to the dark side when you're young and come back to the light when you are dying that you will be forever young in the after-life? ..............hmmmm..... _______________ Honor those better than you would yourself. |
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