| General Grievous | |
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Luke Skywalker - Student  |
Yeah... it's rare for me to make posts, but I haven't really seen this done. I haven't noticed much discussion about Grievous. Did you guys think he was a "good" villain? An interesting one? Did he lack something? Perhaps he has become your favorite Star Wars villain? Discuss.  Personally I liked the character a lot, I just think Lucas was a little at fault for not explaining his background so well. I mean, you would have to read the descriptions on starwars.com and watch the Clone Wars miniseries to get an idea of who Grievous is. ESPECIALLY why he was coughing so much in the movies..._______________  Luke Skywalker |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I think that he should be as good as he appeared. I think its a bit stupid how he had 4 sabers and lost to 1! I mean, COME ON! Despite this video games like Episode 3 and lego star wars have had to limit his destructional purposes. that only shows that obi wan is cool _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Carve - Student 
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He doesn't have Force powers, but I still think the lightsaber duel was disappointing. He looked like a dual-saber-using-newbie, flailing around and hoping his sabers would hit people. No skill. At the very least he could have made better use of his robotic arms. You know, robot speed, the spinning hands thing (all four hands spinning would have been awesome). You get the idea. _______________ © |
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Senor Hat - Student 
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Quote: I think that he should be as good as he appeared. I think its a bit stupid how he had 4 sabers and lost to 1! I mean, COME ON! He lost because he had robot arms. and i dont know if he even had any jedi powers at all, I think Duku just tought him the saber part, if he had the force powers I'm sure he could use 2 of them to push or pull ext. He would of won  _______________ I have beaten The Internet. The end guy was hard. |
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Stig - Student 
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I think that he should be as good as he appeared. I think its a bit stupid how he had 4 sabers and lost to 1! I mean, COME ON! Despite this video games like Episode 3 and lego star wars have had to limit his destructional purposes. _______________ Proud Padawan of Setementor -Saber good, Pistol Bad- Owner of DarthMike's 200th Comment, My paddy brother Grycen's 100th Comment, Raydoe_Mintaka's 347th Comment, TheDestroyer's 615th Comment, Jedifire_Mintaka's 66th Comment and My cool master Setementor's 7500th Comment!!! (Offer me more everybody!!!) |
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Aiddat - Student 
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Quote: actually he reminds me a character from dragon ball (lol) series - cell . kinda same voice, im-so-powerful=unbeatable attitude...etc...  most important thing is... both of them gets beat... LOL I thought the single-saber JABot was like a Dragon Ball character, I like the "You are no match for ME!" and "Insignificant fool!" taunts he uses. _______________ -Aiddat, the Gran with the green blades. "You have a right to be angry, but believe me when I say you don't want to feed that emotion." - Kyle Katarn {Owner of Liso Jowol's 550th comment, Conchris Chaotic's 80th, 150th and 350th comments, Pink Floyd's 200th comment Tyrant's 695th comment, D@RTHM@UL's 10600th comment}, accidentally tricked Pink Floyd into giving me his 1700th comment, I also have Alexander D'Kana's 1950th comment, Mindrith Pride's 1850th comment and I used the same accidental trick on Lewis's 100th comment, and I have Aiddat's 1992nd comment (birthyear), and #Elmo's 450th comment. Unsuccessfully tried to prove Senor Hat's theory wrong. Click for screenshots. Padawan of R2-D2. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: I agree with Ash. Grievous could have been developed a little more in the movie. His character was great, but I am quite certain no one (as in the ppl who didnt watch Clone Wars) understood certain key parts of his background. He was indeed great though. George Lucas actually provide character development for one of the bad guys? Come on! He barely does that for the good guys. His method of the bad guys in the prequels have been very direct and the same at least. "Cool looking bad guy that doesn't survive the movie so no need to develop them." Darth Maul Jango Fett Count Dooku - hey he didn't show up in AOTC till almost half way through and proceeds to meet a fast end in ROTS. General Grievous Not really long life spans for these guys you know. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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I don't see any of those things as cowardly. There's a difference between "brave" and "stupid," and a seasoned soldier knows the difference. Jumping out the window: Faced with not one, but two powerful Jedi, one a Jedi Master, he could have rushed into combat with them and likely been chopped to bits, but robbing the Separatist army of one of its most successful leaders would not exactly be the most responsible move he could make. So he wisely retreated--and he didn't just "jump out a window." He busted the window of a starship and was hurtled into space by the explosive decompression, believing but certainly not knowing that he could harpoon the ship's hull and get back inside--a bold move, IMO, and one that took real nerve. And yes, he, hid with his army when the time was right. Some of the greatest warrior generals in history have had doubles dress like them so that the enemy would not know where they really were and could not concentrate all their forces on killing a feared general. There are times in war when it is appropriate to hide one's leaders, and even hide one's whole army. The same for when he fought Obi Wan: Firstly, he did enter into man-to-man combat with a Jedi Master. Yes, he had four arms and some training with lightsabres, but he didn't have the essential ingredient to lightsabres dueling, the Force. He knew Obi Wan did, but he was still bold enough to fight him--just not foolhardy enough to fight Obi Wan and Anakin simultaneously. He states in the movie that he knows Anakin by reputation, so he was not flinching at the thought of a fight but making a reasoned tactical decision about facing a Jedi Master and another very powerful Jedi simultaneously--later he chose to risk a fight with the same Jedi Master alone. When he lost two hands he knew he was beaten. He had fought well and lost the battle but not necessarily the war. I don't see how it was cowardly to choose a tactical retreat at that point and live to fight another day. Again, there's a difference between bravery and foolhardiness, and dying at the hands of Obi Wan if he could have escaped would serve no purpose for him. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Serra Keto - Student 
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Hmm perhaps jumping out the window at the very beginning, hiding on the plante of the sparists leaders where one, After loosing 2 hands running off in a spinning thing. _______________ You were everything I wanted, but we lost it. I'm Not going away. http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Deuces_Wild_Pack_2;45812 |
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JavaGuy - Student
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I actually find many of the unexplained things in SW to be a little more interesting. The Clone Wars were just a little bit more intriguing to me when all we knew of them was Luke's oblique reference to them in Ep IV and Obi Wan's insistence that his father had fought in them. And Han's remark to Chewbacca concerning Lando, "That was a long time ago..." was perfect: It established that Lando might be miffed at him for some dealings in Han's mysterious past, but it didn't slow down the story with the details and also left a little mystery. Some things are better inferred than explained. I still don't see what Grevious did in the film that was cowardly, notwithstanding that Windu called him a coward. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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I agree with Ash. Grievous could have been developed a little more in the movie. His character was great, but I am quite certain no one (as in the ppl who didnt watch Clone Wars) understood certain key parts of his background. He was indeed great though. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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I thought he was a grossly underused villian. Lucas has a bad habit of inventing some incredible characters and then turning them into weak subplots. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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What did he do in the movie that made him look like a coward? _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Serra Keto - Student 
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Well I guess I just liked him, and was upset coz you only see him as coward and getting owned. Still don't think they did him justice, but the best bad guy ever! Athankyou Lucas *EDIT* Baddest bad guy *giggle* sorry I only just thought of it! question, If Mace didn't Maceifise him (cruch grip him) would of he been a harder kill? _______________ You were everything I wanted, but we lost it. I'm Not going away. http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Deuces_Wild_Pack_2;45812 This comment was edited by Serra Keto on Jun 09 2005 09:48pm. |
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Proximo - Student 
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I read a book called Labyrinth of Evil where Grievous was a main character and his personality was completely different. In the book he was eager to fight the jedi that were better duelists like Mace Windu but in the movie he seemed like a complete coward, which to me was a let down. _______________ Gladiators, I salute you. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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Quote: OMFG he was so cool *saw the Ep 3 again last night* but he is extreamly dissapointing in the film in IMP coz if anyone saw the Clonewars cartoon, He OWNS like 5 jedi's at once, and Obi just toys with him was just boring! He only actuly kills 2 jedi tho, but kicks the ass of all 5! Havin him kill a few jedi at the beginning would have been nice. *evil laughter* Serra, He didn't kill a Jedi Master, he killed some random Jedi Knights and maybe a few apprentices, AND it's Obiwan Kenobi!, who was on the jedi council!, a JEDI MASTER, and one of the greatest jedi of all time. General Greivious was done totally awesome to me, but he couldn't kill a Master. I saw in a deleted scene (from the making of the ROTS book) he kills Shaak Tii, who's a jedi master but it was never put in the final film. I mean take yoda for example, he has no background, he's the mystery character- his race and everything about him eludes us _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 04 2005 08:36pm. |
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Carve - Student
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I think Grievous was done pretty well, myself. The backstory on General Grievous wasn't really necessary, I think. I mean, there wasn't any backstory on Maul and people never brought that up -- only that he didn't have enough screentime. Well, Grievous had plenty! I'm sure there are other examples of characters who just "appeared" (hell, I think even Dooku counts on this one) yet nobody minded until Grievous showed up. Anyways, that aside, I think Grievous' character was just perfect. Very Star Warsy. He really kept to the standards of what I expect from a villain like that. Also, I think his fistfight with Obi-Wan was 101 flavors of awesome. However I must admit the lightsaber duel disappointed me a bit. It was so zoomed-in and stuff, you never really got a chance to see what he was doing. All-in-all I'd rate Grievous and his appearances in the movie an 8/10. _______________ © |
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Llomar Kroyd - Student 
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I really like the way that they had Anakin kick Dooku's ass and Obi Wan kill Grievous, it showed that they both had what it takes for a big time fight, building up to the climax perfectly. I keep trying to imagine it fromthe perspective of someone who has never watched eps 4-6, and from that viewpoint you would know you had a fight between 2 jedi who were exceptional combatants, where either could win. Unfortunately I HAD seen the other films so there was no sursprise at all really. |
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Tyrant - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Grievous really let me down in the movie. He was such a coward, wasn't what I expected at all. Just another droid really. Although, when he whips out the sabers, THAT was cool. Yes another droid. Droids are cowards . |
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JavaGuy - Student
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For the record, I never watched a single Clone Wars cartoon because a friend warned me that they include a "major badguy" who would be in Ep III, and I wanted everything about the movie to be a complete surprise (even though Anakin's turning to the Dark Side wasn't exactly going to be a stunner). I thought that General Grevious was an excellent villian, and I actually kind of liked that we never found out that much about his background. Even though the film doesn't tell us his history, we actually learn a lot about him through his actions and words. Remember Boba Fett in the original films? I thought he was a much more interesting character when we didn't know his whole life story, and we did get an intriguing snapshot of his personality despite his only 23 words (I think) of dialog. I thought it was a nice touch that he had a persistent cough, and especially that they made it a really labored cough. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Serra Keto - Student
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OMFG he was so cool *saw the Ep 3 again last night* but he is extreamly dissapointing in the film in IMP coz if anyone saw the Clonewars cartoon, He OWNS like 5 jedi's at once, and Obi just toys with him was just boring! He only actuly kills 2 jedi tho, but kicks the ass of all 5! Havin him kill a few jedi at the beginning would have been nice. *evil laughter* _______________ You were everything I wanted, but we lost it. I'm Not going away. http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Deuces_Wild_Pack_2;45812 This comment was edited by Serra Keto on Jun 04 2005 12:35pm. |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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Quote: actually he reminds me a character from dragon ball (lol) series - cell . kinda same voice, im-so-powerful=unbeatable attitude...etc... most important thing is... both of them gets beat... EWWW _______________ slorp |
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SaZ - Student 
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actually he reminds me a character from dragon ball (lol) series - cell . kinda same voice, im-so-powerful=unbeatable attitude...etc... most important thing is... both of them gets beat... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Luke Skywalker - Student 
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Quote: Since the wheezing was inflicted before revenge of the sith exposing the fact that Mace Windu injured Grievous during the attack on Coruscant isn't a spoiler, is it? Nah not really a spoiler, just a fact. Believe me, most people out there have not or just don't care enough to look at the Clone Wars vids, but just do not say what Windu actually does. Let the audience see that detail for themselves. _______________ Luke Skywalker
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El Vee For - Student 
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I thought Grievous was properly menacing and definately scary. True that we don't really know anything about him, the story line doesn't even bother exploring him as a character. Dooku has about 100 words of dialog over 2 movies and we at least were able to learn that he was a Jedi, so there we know how he came about his skills. You would have to be up to speed on AOTC Cartoons to know that he is a cyborg, trained by ***** in the lightsaber, the advice Grievous gets from his master really explains how it is this cyborg would be able to one up a Jedi. Fear. Instill fear in a Jedi and he/she is beaten. Thats why he couldn't beat Obi Wan, Obi Wan has no fear only the force. Since the wheezing was inflicted before revenge of the sith exposing the fact that Mace Windu injured Grievous during the attack on Coruscant isn't a spoiler, is it? _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Jun 03 2005 11:44pm. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Grievous really let me down in the movie. He was such a coward, wasn't what I expected at all. Just another droid really. Although, when he whips out the sabers, THAT was cool. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider This comment was edited by Gradius on Jun 03 2005 11:40pm. |
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