| Dare I Question the Wisdom of Yoda? (Warning: Ep. III Spoilers) | |
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Matsky - Student  |
Yes, yes I might! Lol ok, I just wanna discuss one of his (well his and Obi-Wan's combined decision) on the splitting up of Luke and Leia, or more importantly - the locations chosen. Firstly, this one isn't such a big question in my mind, but I will raise it anyway. They chose to send Luke to Tatooine, on the basis that he had family there (I'm guessing perhaps Beru was Schmi's sister, not sure). But at this point, did they not think that Darth Vader might ever return to his homeland? And if so, wouldn't he have felt his son. My biggest question though is sending Leia to Alderaan with Senator Bail Organa. Firstly, he is a traitor to the Galactic Empire (there would always have been a chance he would have been found out). Secondly, would his role in Coruscant (and Leia's future role as Senator) not bring them close enough for Vader to sense his daughter? Now I think about it, I have sort of answered my own question. Vader was often with Leia and Luke, but didn't seem to show that he sensed they were his offspring. I wonder at this... I just guess I find the choice to give Leia to Senator Organa a little strange and dangerous... |
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SaZ - Student 
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i think this explains your question c1 : Don't turn to the dark side, cuz you can't see a thing in the dark! - Dash Starlight _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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DarthMike - Student 
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yoda said that they should send them where the sith would not detect them. Which they didnt. Both Vader and Palpatine thought padme was dead and didnt give birth. Although leia was surprisingly close to vader and palpatine neither supsected anything. But, dont you think thats weird considering how pale leia is and how dark organa is? _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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Matsky - Student 
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Umm... not really, Leia got captured as an enemy of the Empire, and her home planet (probably with Bail on it) destroyed... But yes, in the end it did turn out alright. In a rational point of view, Alderaan was worth it for the downfall of the tyrannical Empire. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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everything turned out alright, didn't it?  _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Daral-zand - Student |
Bail Organa was one of the leaders of the Rebellion to restore the Republic. Why do you think he sent Leia to lead Operation Skyhook, The operation to retrieve the plans and technical data of the first Death Star. |
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Matsky - Student 
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Quote: Anybody want to point out where Bail did anything that involved him helping the Jedi that anybody except the Jedi knew of? Umm... Well his wife must have wondered where he got the baby from. Apart from that no-one. But just because nobody found out, doesn't not make him a traitor to the Galactic Empire. The whole point is nobody found out - if they had of Leia would have been nonexistant most likely. |
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Carve - Student 
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Anybody want to point out where Bail did anything that involved him helping the Jedi that anybody except the Jedi knew of? _______________ © |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Also, a note from Lucas, in the first movie, Episode 4, the way the MOVIE is written Luke and Leia are not brother and sister. They aren't brother and sister in Empire either, Lucas is a devoted christian he would never knowingly portray incest on the big screen especially in a movie meant for kids. It's just a kiss, it's not like they are making babies in the movies _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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R2D2 - Staff 
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Yoda was just fooling around heh. I believe that if Luke and Leia were both trained at a young age, Vader or Palpatine could have sensed their location or had a vision. About Senator Organa, he was friendly to the rebellion considering that he was one of its main leaders  _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist This comment was edited by R2D2 on Jun 09 2005 02:42am. |
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Matsky - Student
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Quote: Wait... Senator Organa was a traitor? Could someone explain this to me please..? A traitor to the Galactic Empire. The Jedi have been declared outlaws, and he is helping them. I also think that he probably later on would have been like Leia - friendly to the Rebellion, but that is just a guess of mine. He was a traitor for helping labelled criminals (Jedi) escape. There's no question about his trust to the Jedi here. But after reading your comments, I agree about the reasons why Darth Vader didn't feel his children through the force. And even if he felt something, he had never known the children had not died with Padme and so might have misunderstood any feelings he got. What about the possibility of, due to their high midichlorian count, Obi-Wan taking one of them to some remote planet and training them from birth, and Yoda doing the same to the other somewhere else? That way there would have been 4 great Jedi's ready to combat Darth lol. A good thing about these new movies is that I really understand Yoda's reluctance to want to train Luke now - look what happened to his father! Once burned, twice carefull!! On another note - do you think 20 (or so) years of solitude on Dagobah really sent Yoda a bit loopy? I know he was trying to hide his true identity, and his 'seriousness' came out eventually, but damn that little dude was a bit cracked at the start - moreso than someone just hiding their identity! Lol. This comment was edited by Matsky on Jun 09 2005 02:29am. |
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R2D2 - Staff
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Senator Organa was someone who could be trusted by the remaining Jedi, Obi-Wan and Yoda, thus they fulfilled Organa's wish to have a daughter of his own. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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Devlin - Student 
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I think the reason Leia was given to Bail Organa was just because of the convenience of it all. He was there, he offered, done deal. Also, there's an old saying...keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Maybe Yoda and Obi thought that Vader would never think to look within the senate for his child, and Vader never knew about Leia's existence. _______________ Be at peace, and you will discover things you never dreamed possible. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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I believe that Anakins grief over the death of Padme really blocked out everything that was Anakin Skywalker. He was certain his child was dead along with Padme. If Anakin had been searching for his child(ren) then his senses would be focused on that target, but instead his senses were/are focused on Jedi presence not just those with a high midichlorian count. This is how he was able to be face to face with Leia in A New Hope and detected nothing. Also, a note from Lucas, in the first movie, Episode 4, the way the MOVIE is written Luke and Leia are not brother and sister. They aren't brother and sister in Empire either, Lucas is a devoted christian he would never knowingly portray incest on the big screen especially in a movie meant for kids. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Padawan - Student |
Wait... Senator Organa was a traitor? Could someone explain this to me please..? |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Ima start callin you "Pippin" Darth J! hehe _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Darth Jason - Student 
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Perhaps the closer you are to danger the further you are from harm _______________ I have seen EP3 now I can die happy and complete. Happy Star Wars Completion day everyone!!!! |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Well Using the force takes time to learn. Jedi have to either be trying to feel a surge in someone or that person has to be extremely strong in the force for another Jedi to sense them. When Vader felt Obi-Wan, Obi had a been a Jedi Master and extremely powerful. He even felt luke but only after luke had been trained. At the same time He never felt Leia. He only learned of her thru Luke's mind. And couldn't tell Leia was his daughter even when standing face to face with her. As for their locations, Bail and his wife was a big risk. I admit that, but what reason would Vader have to go back to Tatooine. He hated the planet. I'm sure everytime he thought of it, it only reminded him of his mother.  _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Jun 08 2005 02:55am. |
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Matsky - Student
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Quote: SO SHE SAYS, I'VE HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE!!!! Lol now you mention it, whiny boy Any does look alot like that Bartender in the Mos Eisly Cantina in A New Hope!! |
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Llomar Kroyd - Student 
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Quote: I think the point was that she was never married before she married Lars, Anakin had no father.... She was never married in the first place, Anakin had no human farther remember? She did remarry to the Lars but that wasnt Anikins father. SO SHE SAYS, I'VE HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE!!!! |
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Matsky - Student
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Yeh sorry about that slip... as I said it's been a while since I watched the new ones (apart from Ep. III). I got very disilusioned with Star Wars after Ep. II but it's all come back full force to me now, some things I just needed refreshing on with the new ones Back to the question, I still think Organa was a bit of a dangerous choice for Leia's guardian. |
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Phantom - Student 
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Quote: ... She was never married in the first place, Anakin had no human farther remember? She did remarry to the Lars but that wasnt Anikins father. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Squibit - Student 
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Quote: I forgot Schmi remarried ? ... She was never married in the first place, Anakin had no human farther remember? As for the location of Leia, Where else. It was too dangerous for them to be kept together, the empire building a deathstar and all. _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Matsky - Student
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Okay sorry I forgot Schmi remarried... |
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