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Ian Jandos - Student  |
With both his hands missing, would it have really been too dangerous to keep him alive? It brings up a question though. Although, I suppose you have to have a human hand to shoot lightning...the choke or other force movements don't require human limbs (i.e. Vader from original trilogy). Maybe with his being betrayed by the Emperor...he may have defected back to the light side. Thoughts? -Ian _______________ Member #7625 | Since 7.6.04 The Archives |
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Was Count Dooku too dangerous to keep alive?
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none - Student |
wonder what would have happened if dooku had tried lightning without his hands? _______________ none |
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Sten Yuseph - Student 
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the thing was is that dooku was the sidious's apprentice. but as he said later to beavis (sorry, I had to do it) he was going to get a younger and much more capable apprentice ( anakin ) _______________ - Sten Yuseph |
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Ash - Student |
Dooku was indeed a danger but well he may have been strong in the dark side but he is no yoda and he was getting a bit old for a human. I think that obviously ani did himself a dark deed by killing him, even although he knew he shouldnt have, he would of course listened to his best pal palpy. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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It would have been one thing if Ani did the deed on his own, Palpatine pushed him to do it. Maybe even used the Dark side to influence Ani to do it, notice the change in his voice. Fatherly even. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Samoth - Student 
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Dooku was 2 dangerous, like all bad guys tey keep comming back, so i think he would be aswell..
ani did the right thing. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Dooku's death plunged Anakin headlong towards the Dark Side. Regardless of Dooku being dangerous or not, his death was a turning point that effectively pushed Anakin over the edge. While axing Dooku certainly didn't help he did feel remorse and knew immediately that he shouldn't have done that.
It is fitting that Mace Windu uses the same phrase that Palpatine did. "He is too dangerous to keep alive." Seems Mace kinda felt the same way about a young Anakin, being dangerous. Mace finds out first hand, lol hand he loses anyways. Anakin started his walk down the dark path when he slaughters the sand people that were holding his mother hostage. Perhaps even earlier than that with his animosity toward the council denying him training. Its hard to tell for sure when it starts, but it is certain that his blinding passion for Padme is what seals the deal. Peace _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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thread necromancer, THREAD NECROMANCER =p _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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The Killer 9000 - Student 
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anikin should have spared him mabye anikin may not have fallen to to the darkside _______________ "I am Neither Light nor Dark but rather gray, i have embraced both paths of life, and it has made me stronger..." |
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Nomadic Phoenix - Student 
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Dooku's death plunged Anakin headlong towards the Dark Side. Regardless of Dooku being dangerous or not, his death was a turning point that effectively pushed Anakin over the edge. _______________ Check out my personal webcomic, Subconscious, here. "Life isn't a video game. There aren't any respawn points." Proud Owner Of: Rin An Tian's 100th and 400th Comment. |
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Trooper! - Student 
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Anakin always did the right thing, otherwise he would not have fulfilled the prophecy ....no? _______________ Honor those better than you would yourself. This comment was edited by Trooper! on Sep 14 2006 04:15am. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: dooku would of died wiv the battle ship anyway cos it crashes soon after!! You underestimate the power of the Dark Side.... _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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slicer - Student 
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dooku would of died wiv the battle ship anyway cos it crashes soon after!! _______________ Furneaux |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: I think him killing Dooku was a big step but I don't think it was his transition. He drew his saber on Palpatine when he found out he was Sith. I think his final fall was more suttle. When he made a simple choice, to go help Palpatine. He may have thought that he wasn't gonna do anything but speak but he went, willing to draw against Windu. yer right, that boy was conflicted alright, and he accepted the gravity of his betrayal against the jedi and knew that to survive he must walk the dark path, he was all about his and padmes survival. his fall was subtle? i am not being smart, i would love to hear more on this. elaborate please, expand on this sil vou plait, por favor, etc Peace _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Quote: Palpatine offered Dooku up as a sacrifice to test Anakin's devotion to the Code. Since Anakin is now a Knight and may or rather should have control over himself by now. What this scene really does, in the book anyways, is show Anakin giving in to the dark side for the first time. Dooku's skill is more than a match for Skywalker alone, Anakin experiences fear then anger and this emotion taps him into the Dark Side long enough to overwhelm Dooku. To me this is when Anakin transitions to a Dark Jedi. Since from this point on all he does is resist the Council's edicts and cohorts with his illegal wife all the while allowing the evil Sith Master to whisper promises of power.... I think him killing Dooku was a big step but I don't think it was his transition. He drew his saber on Palpatine when he found out he was Sith. I think his final fall was more suttle. When he made a simple choice, to go help Palpatine. He may have thought that he wasn't gonna do anything but speak but he went, willing to draw against Windu. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Tyrant - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Who didnt want to see Anakin Slaughter Count Dooku? Well me, I liked Count Dooku. |
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Marlyr - Student 
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Who didnt want to see Anakin Slaughter Count Dooku? _______________ May the force be with... Me? |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: if youve red the ROTS book it shows u that scene from Palpys point of view(i think) and it says that the death of Dooku was the first step to turning anakin to the darkside Yes, but Palpy A$$umption that this was Anakin's first step to the darkness is bull, as we know from Anakin's slaughter of the sand people in AOTC is Ani's first step to the dark. Palpatine offered Dooku up as a sacrifice to test Anakin's devotion to the Code. Since Anakin is now a Knight and may or rather should have control over himself by now. What this scene really does, in the book anyways, is show Anakin giving in to the dark side for the first time. Dooku's skill is more than a match for Skywalker alone, Anakin experiences fear then anger and this emotion taps him into the Dark Side long enough to overwhelm Dooku. To me this is when Anakin transitions to a Dark Jedi. Since from this point on all he does is resist the Council's edicts and cohorts with his illegal wife all the while allowing the evil Sith Master to whisper promises of power.... ...you know the way it goes, Dooku had to die, for one to become the Sith Apprentice, one must destroy the current Sith Apprentice. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Zadus - Student 
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if youve red the ROTS book it shows u that scene from Palpys point of view(i think) and it says that the death of Dooku was the first step to turning anakin to the darkside _______________ Owner of Raydoes 315 and BDKawkia's 500 comments! |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Yoda enough to say he would rather save a life than end another.  Very Well Put! It is a very redeeming quality, compassion. I am not tryin' to force my view, just stregthen a healthy debate. I would most definitely try to rescue a buddy who fell in action but I wouldn't compromise my mission to do it, it is a harsh reality and few have ever had to face it, but it is exactly like every movie featuring war, at some point someone gets ordered to step into a bullet. We all know the risk, and it could happen to anyone of us. We kick ourselves for years about the men we leave behind. What we don't do is disrespect their memory by second guessing our decisions. Your answers do you credit..  You prove an excellent study in the Force. Most impressive.They do reinforce what I have said, just from a much more,,, hmmm, positive perspective as opposed to my much more tactical view. Yoda made good decisions, but what motivated his decisions is not allowed by the ORDER!!! The Jedi Code There is no emotion; there is peace. There is no ignorance; there is knowledge. There is no passion; there is serenity. There is no death; there is the Force. Seen this before, examine the 4th word E M O T I O N = compassion, que no He cared more about saving his Jedi brothers than killing/capturing a Dark Lord of Sith. Put me in that position and you would find Dooku's @$$ in my trunk. Sorry Ani and Obi. nuff said _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Aug 06 2005 08:13am. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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El Vee I sure as heck hope that you'd save your squad member/buddies life instead of killing someone who is running away. We're talking about the dooku situation, where he makes a huge tube-like vent fall on Obiwan and Anikan. I really believe that Yoda would rather save two Jedi than kill a Sith apprentice who is running for his life. I also don't think killing Dooku would make much of a difference on the battlefield elsewhere either, droids would still march blindly into battle from the Trade Federation...and the clones would retaliate. 1. Who was the best bet? The best bet was Yoda, since he is a jedi master on the council who has been training for over 800 years. 2. Who won? Yoda won, Dooku ran for his cowardly life. 3. Cost how many lives? Read what I typed above. Jedi are defenders of the defenseless, no matter where. I think we know Yoda enough to say he would rather save a life than end another. 4. I don't think letting Obiwan and Anikan live while letting Dooku run and hide would make much of a difference. 5. Future Darth Vader? No one, not even Anikan himself knew he would succumb to the dark side and become a Sith. The characters in episode II can't watch their futures like we can El Vee you have some good statements. If Dooku was killed the Death Star plans wouldn't have reached sidius, but without Anikan there'd be no Star Wars. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Aug 08 2005 05:51am. |
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Ecks - Student 
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Damn... El Vee just pwnt us all lol. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Your in the army and you talk about leaving a comrad for the mission's sake? i thought the army was all about not leaving a man behind.And Yoda is THE jedi master its in his job to look over ALL the other jedi the council members are the strongest and its in the jedi's nature to protect the weak any ways. thats the difference between dark and light. one focus's on what they need the other focus's on what everybody needs. I was in the Army, I was in the Infantry and I did get deployed to a hostile theater where I was required to complete real world missions that involved active use of my weapon. Now as for the "never leave a man behind" business this is a "feel good" statement, not a combat reality. Oh and BTW the "never..." doesn't mean carry out the bodies, you grab his dog tags and his farewell letter to home, if you can without endangering the mission and/or the team. The Mission is always more important than the men carrying it out. I said in a previous post that unless you served you can't comment on this. Why you can't is cuz you don't know, you are out of your realm of knowledge. Not that you are simply not allowed, its just that you have no frame of reference. Well on to Yoda and his decisions, cuz that is what they are his decisions. He allowed a Sith Lord to escape that probably extended a very bloody conflict. Since you aren't seeing my point, which is that the Jedi, OVERALL, were proud and had lost focus on what was important I will ask you some questions and maybe the answers you come up will help remove any doubt about exactly what I am saying here. Of the three Jedi that faced Dooku in AOTC which one was the best bet to defeat Dooku? Anakin, Obi Wan, or Yoda When Yoda and Dooku were battling during AOTC, who won that duel? Yoda's decision to save Ob and Ani cost how many lives? Were Ob and Ani so valuable to the order that others should be allowed to perish so that they may live? Did Yoda do what was best for the Galaxy by allowing the future Darth Vader to live? I know the answers to these questions, I know you know too. Fact remains the same, as it tends to do. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Lucky Mintaka - Ex-Student 
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Your in the army and you talk about leaving a comrad for the mission's sake? i thought the army was all about not leaving a man behind.And Yoda is THE jedi master its in his job to look over ALL the other jedi the council members are the strongest and its in the jedi's nature to protect the weak any ways. thats the difference between dark and light. one focus's on what they need the other focus's on what everybody needs. _______________ Vasper Adept-1600 Comment Raydoe-150 comment Pink -Floyd 425 comment This comment was edited by Lucky Mintaka on Aug 05 2005 08:29pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: If he didn't save those "couple of wet nose jedi", the sith would rule forever If Yoda had killed or captured Dooku, and Obi Wan and Anakin would then be killed, the events that follow would be different would they not. I don't think Palpy would have survived his duel with Mace if Anakin had been crushed 3 years earlier by Dooku...err, duh I know but remember that Hindsight thing, think about how changes in history will/would effect the future and the present for that matter. Quote: I think saving someone is more important than killing a sleezy cheating dark jedi who is running away. I am right there with you on this, but this isn't how a career soldier would think or act, and unless you know first hand you don't know anything about soldiering at all. Mission comes first, if Yoda's mission were to save or protect those two, OB and ANi, then he accomplished his mission. I believe he let Dooku escape in order to rescue Ob and Ani, and since we know all Jedi swear an oath to destroy the Sith, Yoda basically went against his oath to save lives, very honorable indeed but not the action that would have served the greater good. Which is how a General/Soldier is supposed to think, above and beyond the needs of the few. What happened in the movie is what happened period. I am not disputing George Lucas' vision of his creation, I love the movies all of them pretty much equally. What doesn't fit is how the Jedi get titles of "General" and then don't behave as soldiers under fire would behave. Right or wrong makes no difference to me, what does matter to me, even if it is just a little bit, is that you people, my brothers in JA, know that these Guardians of Peace and Justice are not acting for the greater good, they are acting selfishly and this is why the Force blinded the Jedi of this era and this "looking within" is ultimately what leads to the destruction of the Jedi. The Force abandoned the Prequel Jedi because of thier inability to accept the big picture. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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If he didn't save those "couple of wet nose jedi", the sith would rule forever, and the jedi would be exterminated from history. I think saving someone is more important than killing a sleezy cheating dark jedi who is running away. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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