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Ian Jandos - Student  |
I suppose there is not a clear cut answer to this. However, I'd like to see what opinions are out there. Obi-Wan and Anakin seemed to be an equal match, perhaps Anakin on flat ground might be better...but considering he lost his cool, perhaps that would happen in a different scenario as well. Dooku, a viable contender, but if Anakin could beat him, then he obviously doesn't rank at the top. Additionally, Palpatine, who diced several Jedi quickly could not dispatch Windu, even with force aiding him. Yoda, who held his own with Palpatine and Dooku did not demonstrate onscreen at least, the ability to land any blows. Whereas Windu was able to win his duel w/Palpatine. Then there are wild cards such as Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, and Luke Skywalker. Maul obviously was very talented, but did not prove he could overpower a youthful Obi-Wan with his saber alone. I wouldn't necessarily give Obi-Wan the advantage, but that brings up enough doubt for me to rank Maul out of contention. Qui-Gon-Jinn, obviously since he died, that kind of takes him down a notch as well. Luke, I would consider to be in the same boat as his father, with the exception that his lack of formal training would probably give him less rank. Sure he bested his father, but that victory came over a simply less capable saberist due to Vader's reliance of robotic limbs. Luke's "win" only came through rage more than say his control. Having said all of that, my vote is for Mace Windu. A solid, polished saberist, who should have been the one that ended the Sith. -Ian _______________ Member #7625 | Since 7.6.04 The Archives This post was edited by Ian Jandos on Jul 22 2005 10:13pm. |
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Marlyr - Student 
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Ok you all are wrong, It is ME! _______________ May the force be with... Me? |
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Rogue - Student 
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I dont think its fair ot say that about Mace though Montee. Allthough I strongly believe Obi-wan is Always underestimated and never given the praise he deserves, Anakin did supprise Mace by chopping off his arm lol _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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He wasnt at his full potential when he was beaten, It would of been hard to fight against dooku when your with someone else who is wanting to kill dooku and go in for heavy blows, Anakin was always rushing in to fight dooku and Obi wan was trying to not get anakin by mistake imo, after the unfortunate dooku incident can we not agree he shines through and does give out some potential as the greatest ?  i like to think so as he did beat Vader when no other seemed able, not even Master Mace Windu ( who was apprently the best with a saber ) _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Nuebus - Student 
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*SPOILERS* To takaru; luke is not the greatest saberist in the jedi history because even gantoris nearly beat him + the fact that corran horn did as well.. but yes u r right in the sense that he is the most powerful jedi, if u've read the EU books u will understand y. To Montee (oh blah too many e's 2 count); obi wan was pwnified by dooku twice so i'd hardly say he was a good saberist. i'll still say that Windu and his p00ning Juyo/Vaapad would b the best saberist. _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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obi wan cos ewan mcgregor pwns j000 all i so lub him in movies  _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Takaru Averre - Student 
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Omgomgomg. Luke! Because um. Well i read it somewhere, Luke is the strongest jedi, or whatever. _______________ Joined at about Apr 19 2005 12:52am Echuu's 600th comment, Mindrith's 500th comment, Piccolo's 99th commment, Mindrith's 1400th comment, Sazabi's 3500th comment  gomgom
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Ecks - Student 
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To TreeX - The rhino would never hit the rat because the rat would just escape through the bars. Again, never having to defend is the best defense. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Rogue - Student
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I think everyone is forgetting, Yoda is somewhere around 800 years old when he is alive with the rest of this list, he would have OWNED them all in his younger days I'm sure. _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Nuebus - Student 
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Quote: Well, the Jedi are defenders. The best defenders are the ones who do not have to.  You have to attack to defend effectively. Only a fool would block attacks and not return them, because no being alive can block every single blow. put a rhino in a cage and see how well a mouse does charging in2 it... kinda like sazabi charging in2 grad _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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Ecks - Student 
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Well, the Jedi are defenders. The best defenders are the ones who do not have to. You have to attack to defend effectively. Only a fool would block attacks and not return them, because no being alive can block every single blow. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: That... doesn't make sense... The best saber user is the one who doesn't use it?  I'm guessing it was a joke lol. if words fail then you must use lightsaber that means jedi and sith doesnt know how to speak  _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: best saber user is the 1 that wins without using it. Sound like Yoda, something would say  I agree, if the Jedi were real and peace thier goal they would do all that they could to not ignite thier sabers, but a movie about monks running around the galaxy negotiating without fighting would be like making a movie about the best couple of workers in the peace corps. boring thank goodness for violent Jedi!!!! Obi Wan Kenobi hands down the best duelist seen in the movies. Mace and Yoda would be two and three respectively, Mace had Sidious beaten whether it was a ploy or not Mace could have finished him, Yoda would be next after 800 years of practice... _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Aug 04 2005 09:36pm. |
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Ecks - Student
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That... doesn't make sense... The best saber user is the one who doesn't use it? I'm guessing it was a joke lol. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Phantom - Student 
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Quote: best saber user is the 1 that wins without using it. You know hes right I prefer a really big gun over my saber anyday! _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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N@TI - Student 
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best saber user is the 1 that wins without using it. _______________ Blue! blue stance for ever!!! oh ye : owner of dash's "GOM!!11!! it's purple'" *1800* comment!!! owner of Wicek 3333rd "cool guys use Yellow sabers" post. Kyle Katarn is the new jedi order BattleMaster... meaning he is better then Luke in saber fighting! HA TAKE THAT SKYWALKER FAN's! |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: (/insert yoda voice) hard to bring expanded universe into the true movies, the real star wars. messes the facts and story up it does... (/un-insert yoda voice) you heard that? yoda always speaks the truth _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Ecks - Student
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Quote: ... JEDI. They were Jedi. That fell to the darkside. But the fact remains that they WERE Jedi who could not control Vaapad. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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(/insert yoda voice) hard to bring expanded universe into the true movies, the real star wars. messes the facts and story up it does... (/un-insert yoda voice) _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Nuebus - Student
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Quote: Nope, Sora Bulq and Depa Billaba also used Vaapad, but they were unable to contain the emotions required for it, and they fell to the dark side. ... JEDI. _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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Ecks - Student
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Nope, Sora Bulq and Depa Billaba also used Vaapad, but they were unable to contain the emotions required for it, and they fell to the dark side. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Stig - Student 
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Mace Windu uses Vaapad and he is the only Jedi to use it _______________ Proud Padawan of Setementor -Saber good, Pistol Bad- Owner of DarthMike's 200th Comment, My paddy brother Grycen's 100th Comment, Raydoe_Mintaka's 347th Comment, TheDestroyer's 615th Comment, Jedifire_Mintaka's 66th Comment and My cool master Setementor's 7500th Comment!!! (Offer me more everybody!!!) |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Aye good points.. I believe Maul's power came in part from his intimidation factor. He was a very skilled duelist. But in the Jedi's firt encounter with him, he came right out and attacked a Jedi Master without hesitation. That and cmon, how many Jedi have fought a Sith b4 let alone one with a STAFF! Nah Maul could not of taken the Jedi. He was Palpatine's version of Jet Li in his new movie, "unleashed" Trained to be a fierce animal and folow orders. Windu woulda laughed at em! _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Ecks - Student
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So you're saying Maul is stronger than Yoda? Maul wasn't THAT powerful, his staff gave him an advantage over Qui-Gon. Granted, he was a skilled, very good martial artist, but as you can see, when Obi-Wan cut his saber in half, he was hard pressed against Obi's onslaught, and had to rely on Force-Push to disable Obi. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Phantom - Student
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No this is all a what if he had killed Obi-wan in eposide one and then he wouldnt need to kill him in eposide 3. And no I dont read the books or go searching online for this stuff. Im not that into it. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" This comment was edited by Phantom on Jul 25 2005 12:11pm. |
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Nuebus - Student
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Quote: Maul is the strongest because even though we only got to see a inch of his power in the first moive. He only died because he didnt do his job as a sith, he didnt kill Obi when he had the chance. And think of it like this, Anikin couldnt beat Obi-wan and in my veiw of eposide one maul beat obi-wan even though he had died. And eventually Maul would have killed Palpatine since thats the sith way. And from their he could have possiably went on to destroy the Jedi inculding Mace and Yoda. And Yes I know this is all a what if thing but this is the way I like to veiw it. dude.. have u watche dthe movies or read the books? maul would not have gone on 2 destroy the jedi or palp, maul may have been a good duellist by his intelligence was limited. as they said he was an animal. if palp had that same intelligence he'd have been uncovered, trialed and judged long ago. maul would have either gone straight for the jedi after obi's death where he would have been killed by the sheer numbers without the clone troopers 2 back him up. if he went for palpatine he'd get carved up, palp took down 3 jedi knights easy without breaking a sweat. In maul's case, was not all that force sensitive either because he only showed his force ability 3 times during his duel against qui gon/obi wan, where as palpatine had a mastery of the forceand would have taken down maul as easily as kit fisto and the other jedis he killed. forgive me if i misinterpretted ur post but u seem 2 imply that ep 1 maul could defeat ep 3 obi wan. i believe u've been misled due 2 the fact in ep 1 Obi wan was learning his master's form, Form 4, Ataru which he had not mastered like qui gon even tho qui gon lost. then the fact ep 2 and 3 obi wan used Soresu, form 3 in combat. Soresu may b a known defensive style but Maul used his personalized form of the incompleted Juyo which may still have been defeated by Soresu... then again we'll never know. so basically even tho maul tecnically defeated obi he would not have gone onfor any other greatness if he survived because he has the instincts of an animal and primarily IS an animal. _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ This comment was edited by Nuebus on Jul 25 2005 07:32am. |
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