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The Chosen One Prophecy Revealed
Jul 24 2005 10:51pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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Bail Hope of Belouve
I just watched ROTS again, and I noticed something

When Palpatine is talking about his former master Darth Plagueis, he says the following:
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Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life ...

And if Anakin was created through the midi-chlorians, you can see the link quite clearly.

What if Darth Plagueis used the Force to create Anakin, as a scheme to overthrow the Republic. He could have planned it all to happen on Tatooine, where the boy wouldn't be detected, which would make him more plausible to fall to the Dark Side, he might have planned it from day one.

When Darth Plagueis got killed by Palpatine when he was asleep, Palpatine just continued the scheme.
What do you think?



oh, and before anyone notices I gave an exact quote ... No I did not download it, I sought the script.
Here is the link, but beware that it does contain the scenes cut out. It seems mighty accurate to the last word.
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This post was edited by Bail Hope of Belouve on Jul 24 2005 10:59pm.

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Aug 04 2005 09:28pm

El Vee For
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It is a an intuitive argument Bail.

Plagueis was Sidious' Master

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After this, Plagueis apprenticed a young boy from Naboo, Dantius Palpatine and dubbed him Darth Sidious... ...On the planet Skaggis, Palpatine killed Plagueis in his sleep when Plagueis was 52 years old.

I know many of you give SuperShadow no credit, and I doubted him severely when I first stumbled across his site, but I can not refute the evidence that SuperShadow definitely has insider info on Star Wars, his spoilers were right on the money, quotes were exact his posts on the teasers trailers were spot on as well. He may not be everything he says he is, but he does have something we don't.

I am thinking that this line of thought is on to something. The Sith had been in hiding for a long long time, it would make sense for a Sith Lord to attempt to infiltrate the Temple by exploiting a prophecy.

If this is so though that would mean that Plagueis had probably planned to take the "chosen one" as his apprentice which would leave Sidious wearing the same hat that Tyranus has on..lol betrayed by the Master. I bet Plagueis is glad that he didn't survive just to get tossed down a reactor shaft by his own creation.
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Jul 27 2005 12:30am

Phantom
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or perhaps maul was sent to pwn those two so he can get anakin and bring him to palpy :P


That would contradic the sith code saying that their will be only 2 sith master and apprentice. So Maul would either kill Palpatine or Palpatine would kill maul.




wait... at that time there were 3 sith : dooku,palpy and maul. :confused:


I was actually thinking about this alot. I read a book of the Journal of Darth Maul and in a chapter it said that Sidoius tried to release the anger and energy in Darth Maul by telling him that he had a second apprentice on the side. Maul got pissed and lashed out at Sidious. At the end Sidious revealed that it was mearly a low power training blade. Now the code says that their can only be 2 siths at a time, but what if Sidious wanst lieing?
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Jul 26 2005 07:36pm

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or perhaps maul was sent to pwn those two so he can get anakin and bring him to palpy :P


That would contradic the sith code saying that their will be only 2 sith master and apprentice. So Maul would either kill Palpatine or Palpatine would kill maul.


wait... at that time there were 3 sith : dooku,palpy and maul. :confused:
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Jul 26 2005 06:27pm

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Good point, but it's all wrong. ALL WRONG!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Ok I'm weird lol

Jul 26 2005 11:56am

Phantom
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or perhaps maul was sent to pwn those two so he can get anakin and bring him to palpy :P


That would contradic the sith code saying that their will be only 2 sith master and apprentice. So Maul would either kill Palpatine or Palpatine would kill maul.
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Jul 26 2005 11:49am

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

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or perhaps maul was sent to pwn those two so he can get anakin and bring him to palpy :P

but the Sith never succeeded in bringing the Jedi down with war
destroying the enemy from within, by infiltrating their ranks is still the most succesful way I can think of.

I strongly believe that if my theory holds some truth, that Palpatine wanted Anakin in the Temple.

Besides, Palpatine talks about the Jedi Council in teh entire third movie, about how they will react to everything and so. In that case, if he knows the Council so well, then he must also know they would take him in because it was Qui-Gon's dying wish.
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Jul 26 2005 11:10am

SaZ
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or perhaps maul was sent to pwn those two so he can get anakin and bring him to palpy :P
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Jul 26 2005 05:59am

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maul could have been sent 2 die. perhaps the actual plan was for qui gon to live or obi 2 die. but doenst matter now. maul could have been sent 2 die so Palp could have a better apprentice Dooku who's later replaced by Anakin.

or perhaps maul was sent 2 counter the attack on the Naboo palace. or perhaps Palp had a limited use on seeing the future and knew if maul was sent qui gon would die and his dying wish would b carried out by Obi Wan.

then again these r opinions.
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Jul 25 2005 11:40pm

Phantom
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You said that they needed a inside man and heres where I find another problem. Qui-gon and Obi-wan were the only two that wanted him into the Temple, all the others on the Concil said he was too old. And here comes the problem, if the sith wanted him in the Temple why would Darth Maul fight to kill Qui-gon and Obi-wan?
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Jul 25 2005 06:26pm

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influence the midichlorians, not influence the force. Anikan was concieved of the force.


I quote from the movie:
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QUI-GON : A boy... his cells have the highest concentration of
midi-chlorians I have seen in a life form. It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians

So it were the midi-chlorians conceiving Anakin. Of course you could say the Force ordered the midi-chlorians, or you could say they were ordered to create Anakin by an exterior power.
I wouldn't know of course.
Maybe we should ask SuperShadow :P


I wasnt talking about what qui-gon said, i was talking what the actual prophecy says.

Prophecy:
"The Chosen One will be born of a virgin mother, conceived of the force for he will truly bring balance to the force in its time of great imbalance."


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Jul 25 2005 12:26pm

SaZ
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there are some lies in that script :
ANAKIN lashes out at OBI-WAN, and they begin a ferocious sword fight.

sword fight? w00t swords :D
anyway i think this can be the real truth.
in the EP1,2,3 anakin was such a noob :P
he always was a noob and only became 'pro' when he turned to dark vader except the'noooo' :D
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Jul 25 2005 12:13pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

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But that wouldnt makes sence if this boy is the master plan for the sith to destroy the jedi why would they go blabing their mouths about it.

I don't think Anakin would have gotten that hint, but look closely at Palpatine as he says it. He looks weirdly at Anakin. Look at it, I'm serious. As if he's hinting Anakin to the hidden meaning in his speech.

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Why were the Sith and the Jedi in search of him, if the Sith already knew where he is.

Were they in search for him? Oh you mean, 'The Chosen One' ?
Well, I think that the best way to defeat an enemy is from within. Having a Sith penetrate the Jedi Temple would be nearly impossible as sooner or later he would be seen through. But to enter such a boy into the temple, who'll know?

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And why would plagus create just one what if he had a fatal accident, being a slave and all I would asume that would happen alot, and then their would be no more chosen one?

Look at Anakin's reflexes. He even survived Pod Racing while enjoying it. I think he could avoid the accidents.

Of course I could be wrong about all of this, but I just figured this out, and thought I'd share and defend myself
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Jul 25 2005 12:07pm

Phantom
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Interesting twist Bail, do you think it was a Sith that delivered the prophecy? It would make sense that the Sith had been planning this for a awhile. In the first movie Maul says "at last we will reveal ourselves" suggesting that the take over had been planned for a long time.

Perhaps it were not the Sith that delivered the prophecy, but perhaps the Sith plotted for it to happen, hoping for the Jedi's superstition?


But that wouldnt makes sence if this boy is the master plan for the sith to destroy the jedi why would they go blabing their mouths about it. And I seriously doubt that he was created by Plagus, its just a thought but if he was why were the Sith and the Jedi in search of him, if the Sith already knew where he is. And why would plagus create just one what if he had a fatal accident, being a slave and all I would asume that would happen alot, and then their would be no more chosen one?
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Jul 25 2005 11:35am

Bail Hope of Belouve
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influence the midichlorians, not influence the force. Anikan was concieved of the force.


I quote from the movie:
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QUI-GON : A boy... his cells have the highest concentration of
midi-chlorians I have seen in a life form. It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians

So it were the midi-chlorians conceiving Anakin. Of course you could say the Force ordered the midi-chlorians, or you could say they were ordered to create Anakin by an exterior power.
I wouldn't know of course.
Maybe we should ask SuperShadow :P

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Interesting twist Bail, do you think it was a Sith that delivered the prophecy? It would make sense that the Sith had been planning this for a awhile. In the first movie Maul says "at last we will reveal ourselves" suggesting that the take over had been planned for a long time.

Perhaps it were not the Sith that delivered the prophecy, but perhaps the Sith plotted for it to happen, hoping for the Jedi's superstition?

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Hold the phone, if Plagus did make Anikin wouldnt he had made him through unnatrual darkside powers. And doesnt that mean Anikin would have been a darksider by birth. And suddely I have confused myself once again :confused:

"Abilities aren't inherently good or evil, it's how you use them", by Kyle Katarn.
I personally believe that if you use that power, you create a fully independent person able to make its own decisions.
but that's just a guess anyway, I wouldn't know.

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This comment was edited by Bail Hope of Belouve on Jul 25 2005 11:40am.

Jul 25 2005 03:01am

Phantom
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Hold the phone, if Plagus did make Anikin wouldnt he had made him through unnatrual darkside powers. And doesnt that mean Anikin would have been a darksider by birth. And suddely I have confused myself once again :confused:
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Jul 25 2005 02:46am

Aiddat
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SuperShadow said Sidious's master was Imperious, but it's really Plagueis. I used to trust SS's website but now I don't. It could be George Lucas made up a new name, but I think SuperShadow made up stuff like that without consulting George Lucas. They probably don't even know each other.

More on the subject: I don't think the Sith used the Force to make Anakin.
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Jul 25 2005 02:31am

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Interesting twist Bail, do you think it was a Sith that delivered the prophecy? It would make sense that the Sith had been planning this for a awhile. In the first movie Maul says "at last we will reveal ourselves" suggesting that the take over had been planned for a long time.
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Jul 25 2005 01:46am

DarthMike
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influence the midichlorians, not influence the force. Anikan was concieved of the force. The midichlorians are more like the messengers for the force, telling jedi/sith what to do.
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Jul 24 2005 11:49pm

Vasper Ba'xian
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hmmm.. all the info I have says his master was Imperious.
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Jul 24 2005 11:39pm

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No wait I thought sidiouses master was plagus? :confused: And that does make sence but considering how old sidious is (even before the shock) I would doubt it.
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Jul 24 2005 11:33pm

Vasper Ba'xian
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I believe that Palpatine says to Anakin the Darth Plagueis lived long ago. Besides Dath Sidious's Master was Darth Imperious.
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