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Innocent man shot dead in London
Jul 25 2005 06:52pm

Eica
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Eica
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Just heard about this, didn't see a thread about it.

Even in times like this the British police are mantaining their traditional incompetency.
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Aug 18 2005 10:33am

Jacen Aratan
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Didn't you read the link I just posted?

I don't know if racism had anything at all to do with it, but this is Bad Stuff any way you look at it.


I read it, and I ignored it. If you give me a source I've heard about before 5 minutes ago, I'll consider trusting it when it claims to have "obtained secret documents".

Aug 18 2005 08:53am

Raziel Anjelis
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 Raziel Anjelis

sorry i didn't mean racism in that context, i meant...oh lol i pretty much shot myself in the foot. Sorry about that.
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Aug 18 2005 07:46am

Monteeeeeee
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Seems like Miscommunication and a general lapse in concentration, but 1 incident in such times shouldnt pull the whole police down, yes it was a bad mistake and now them police officer's have to live with it for the rest of their lives.
Even tho they 'F**ked up' lets not tarnish the job they are doing to protect our country, 1 mistake shouldnt drag down the excellent job they are doing
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This comment was edited by Monteeeeeee on Aug 18 2005 07:47am.

Aug 18 2005 06:28am

Vasper Ba'xian
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^ The world we live in :(
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Aug 18 2005 12:48am

JavaGuy
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Didn't you read the link I just posted?

I don't know if racism had anything at all to do with it, but this is Bad Stuff any way you look at it.

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Aug 17 2005 11:51pm

Jacen Aratan
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How's it racism in any way or shape? If a white guy shoots a black guy (or, for that matter, the other way around) is it the epitome of racial hatred we're witnessing? If he hadn't run away, been a suspect, and do all this right after the bombings, he might be alive today. And his Visa was expired.

Aug 17 2005 11:04pm

Raziel Anjelis
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 Raziel Anjelis


Sounds like the police got a little too trigger happy eh? THIS ladies and gentlemen is excessive force. I mean they have the suspect pinned, why shoot him? This seems to be bordering on racism, but i was never there, so I don't mean to judge.
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Aug 17 2005 10:48pm

CuZzA
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Jesus...:mad:
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Aug 17 2005 10:28pm

JavaGuy
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Uh oh! Looks like the facts are not what we were led to believe.

:mad:


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Jul 28 2005 08:25pm

Eica
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 Eica

I think games like SOF are the worst example, you can just shoot guns out of peoples hands at liesure on that game, despite it's difficulty settings
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Jul 28 2005 07:11pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

There's a comedian named Mike Armstrong who has a similar experience that he talks about. He's a former cop, just a regular one no sniper. They were going into a house where there was some crook I can't remember if he was chased there or robbing the place but he had a gun. I complete 1 in a million shot, armstrong ends up shooting off the index finger of the guy.
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Jul 28 2005 06:36pm

JavaGuy
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Yeah, I think that's where I saw it. If memory serves it happened in Columbus, Ohio.
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Jul 28 2005 04:20pm

Jacen Aratan
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It was on "World's Wildest Police Videos".

Jul 28 2005 02:42pm

Senor Hat
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JavaGuy where can i find the story on that?
i tried serching for it but i couldn't find it
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Jul 28 2005 10:31am

Moriarti
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well what i heard was that a witness saw him running from the armed police and ran onto the train that they where on and then was caught by the police and then pushed to the floor before being shot
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Jul 28 2005 09:54am

JamesF1
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Just wanted to add one thing here.

8 shots in the head is not necessarily exaggerated. It all depends on the number of officers in place. If one cop shot 8 times it would raise a few eyebrows, but if there were more cops there, I don't think they would stop for a round of rock-paper-scissors to decide who gets to shoot. They all shoot without too much hesitation. In that moment, it was either that guy or a train full of people.

Stuff like this happens quite often in Israel. An army unit clears a house in order to arrest a couple known terrorists. During the operation, a suspicious-looking man comes running out the neighboring house wearing a fat jacket. It's summer. Bang bang bang. He's dead. Turns out he was just scared and trying to run across the street. What would you do if you were a soldier in a similar situation, not even sure if you would live to tell the story?

It's usually over things like this that the media throws a fit of "Oh my god! Look what those butchers are doing! Killing innocent Palestinians!"

So before you judge the London police... No, don't judge.

And now, the moral of the story:
Don't wear padded jackets in freaking summer.


Excellent post - pure excellence.
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Jul 28 2005 01:04am

Scythus Aratan
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Following on from Javaguy's post, people saying that they could just shoot him in the arm or elsewhere to stop him triggering a bomb he may or may not have are wrong. Let's list locations:

Arm: Can still set off a bomb with the other.
Leg: Not gonna do much to stop him reaching over really.
Torso: Yeah, great idea, shoot him in the torso where this bomb is supposedly hidden.
Head: One death > 50.
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Jul 27 2005 11:22pm

Bubu
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Just wanted to add one thing here.

8 shots in the head is not necessarily exaggerated. It all depends on the number of officers in place. If one cop shot 8 times it would raise a few eyebrows, but if there were more cops there, I don't think they would stop for a round of rock-paper-scissors to decide who gets to shoot. They all shoot without too much hesitation. In that moment, it was either that guy or a train full of people.

Stuff like this happens quite often in Israel. An army unit clears a house in order to arrest a couple known terrorists. During the operation, a suspicious-looking man comes running out the neighboring house wearing a fat jacket. It's summer. Bang bang bang. He's dead. Turns out he was just scared and trying to run across the street. What would you do if you were a soldier in a similar situation, not even sure if you would live to tell the story?

It's usually over things like this that the media throws a fit of "Oh my god! Look what those butchers are doing! Killing innocent Palestinians!"

So before you judge the London police... No, don't judge.

And now, the moral of the story:
Don't wear padded jackets in freaking summer.
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This comment was edited by Bubu on Jul 27 2005 11:26pm.

Jul 27 2005 10:51pm

Jacen Aratan
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That shot was pretty wicked though, Java. :P

Jul 27 2005 05:16pm

Eica
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 Eica

I meant they over-reacted by shooting him in the head 8 times ^^
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Jul 27 2005 04:53pm

CuZzA
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 CuZzA

I couldn't have explained it any better JG :D
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Jul 27 2005 04:45pm

JamesF1
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the police overreacted though.

Wrong, if he had been carrying a bomb, and he'd have blown it up, he could have killed hundreds. Its one man's life against hundreds - they certainly did not over-react.


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Everybody just forget about "shooting him in the leg" or shooting him in the arm or picking any particular part of the body. That's not how it works.

Yes, in the movies the hero shoots the gun out of somebody's hand to disarm him without hurting him. Guess what? That doesn't happen in real life. A handgun is hard enough to use, a moving target makes it trickier still, and in a tense and potentially violent situation in real life you just shoot the guy--aim for the torso and hope you hit him somewhere. Go to a gun club and do some pistol shooting before you go spouting off about where exactly a cop is supposed to shoot a moving target. It just does not happen like it does in the movies.

I know of one real instance of a cop shooting a gun out of somebody's hand. It was videotaped, and this was the situation: The guy had a pistol and was sitting in a chair in the middle of a road threatening to kill himself. The cops didn't want to kill him because he was mostly a danger to himself, but he was also a potential danger to others. A police sniper with many years experience (not just any cop) was hidden with a scoped rifle (not a pistol) some distance away. The guy was sitting in a chair and would ocassionally get up and sit down again. The sniper studied the guy's movements for about ten minutes to try to anticipate how he would move, then at last, very carefully, took his shot and took the gun right out of his hand. When they took him into custody, the guy said to the sniper, "That was a hell of a shot."

That is how it happens in real life. If it's a furious chase, a running target who is probably dangerous, and scared cops with pistols trying to protect the civilian population, they just shoot and pray to God they hit the S.O.B. because if they don't, he might really be in his way to blow up a train.

Top quality post that.
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Jul 27 2005 04:27pm

JavaGuy
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Everybody just forget about "shooting him in the leg" or shooting him in the arm or picking any particular part of the body. That's not how it works.

Yes, in the movies the hero shoots the gun out of somebody's hand to disarm him without hurting him. Guess what? That doesn't happen in real life. A handgun is hard enough to use, a moving target makes it trickier still, and in a tense and potentially violent situation in real life you just shoot the guy--aim for the torso and hope you hit him somewhere. Go to a gun club and do some pistol shooting before you go spouting off about where exactly a cop is supposed to shoot a moving target. It just does not happen like it does in the movies.

I know of one real instance of a cop shooting a gun out of somebody's hand. It was videotaped, and this was the situation: The guy had a pistol and was sitting in a chair in the middle of a road threatening to kill himself. The cops didn't want to kill him because he was mostly a danger to himself, but he was also a potential danger to others. A police sniper with many years experience (not just any cop) was hidden with a scoped rifle (not a pistol) some distance away. The guy was sitting in a chair and would ocassionally get up and sit down again. The sniper studied the guy's movements for about ten minutes to try to anticipate how he would move, then at last, very carefully, took his shot and took the gun right out of his hand. When they took him into custody, the guy said to the sniper, "That was a hell of a shot."

That is how it happens in real life. If it's a furious chase, a running target who is probably dangerous, and scared cops with pistols trying to protect the civilian population, they just shoot and pray to God they hit the S.O.B. because if they don't, he might really be in his way to blow up a train.
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Jul 27 2005 12:11pm

Eica
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 Eica

Maybe the expired visa was the reason he ran from the police :confused: He was definately pretty shifty, the police overreacted though. And the reason they don't shoot in the leg/lower body is that they could detonate a bomb tied to them
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Jul 27 2005 07:48am

Tyrant
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whoa whoa...u guys got the wrong end of the stick...He ran through security when 5 ARMED police officers told him to stop...over and over again. WTF are u supposed to do if he's heading for a train?

jesus christ...


Its true, why risk him blowing up a train full of people? I mean if your innocent why run through aload of police officers???
You got a point Ronald :cool:

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