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Phantom - Student  |
I was thinking back to the last fights between Obi vs. Aninkin and Yoda vs. Sidious. Doesnt anyone else think these fights are point less, they both end in a stalemate because noone dies? _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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I personally did not like the Sidious vs Yoda fight. In the book, Yoda gets pwned quite a bit more. Yoda learns his big flaw: they've never adapted their ways over 900 years. They've done the same approach for 900 years, while the Sith learn new tricks, and finally hand the Jedi their asses. Yoda doesn't deflect things back, he doesn't put up an even fight against Sidious. And.... He doesn't fall. He JUMPS. To get his green butt OUTTA THERE before he gets killed. So that he can leave to bring about A NEW HOPE for Jedi. This is why he is so torn with Luke, between seeing grav danger and grave hope. Luke doesn't fight like the old Jedi, Luke fights with passion, not with rigid traditions and rigid trainings. This is how Luke can win. Yoda and Obi-Wan were stict to the same teachings the Jedi have done for 900 years. And Yoda gets pwned. The movie does NOTHING to portray this. No, they would rather entertain the kiddies by showing Yoda dominate. This removes a great point just so Mr. Lucas can sell more tickets. Yoda was supposed to get pwned. Instead it looks like an even match, and so many good points are lost. I would have really liked to see Yoda JUMP. Sidious never was supposed to FALL either, but guess Lucas doesn't feel like telling a good story at all. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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skankerkid - Student 
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I must agree In my opinion, only one of the fights became semi stalemate. That would be Yoda vs. Sideous. But Obi -Wan vs. Anakin had a clear victor, Obi-Wan. He walked away while Anakin...couldn't...walk...:p Anywho, That fight proved to be a major plot element for the following episodes. So see??? they were'nt pointless at all. _______________ Shout out to DJ Sith cause he's my big bro. Shout out to Debbie because she's my sister in-law. Also it aint cool if aint skewed. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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i don't think these fights are pointless... without the outcome of the obi vs anakin fight there would not of been the same Tortured Darth Vader to strike fear into the people of the galaxy ('darth vader' would of existed but not in the same way...) Without the Yoda vs Sidious fight Yoda may not of realised the need for change and possibly wouldn't of set obi-wan and luke down the paths he did. Also he may not of exiled himself to Dagobah. who knows what else would of been affected they are very important in the overal saga imho. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Ataris - Milwaukees Finest 
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Dachande, You said you've trained swordfighting, not lightsaberuseage..  Besides, if your training spoils a movie for you, you don't have to spoil it for us.. I for my part couldn't care less if the saberfighting looks 'uneffective', but I wouldn't want someone to point it out like you did, and ruin that movie for me if I ever want to watch it again.. Now when I watch it, everytime when the scene you speak of pops on the screen, I remember this discussion and can't enjoy the visually satisfying bout..-Ataris <3 _______________ [ Honorable mentions: aph3x | Milamber | Bail Hope Belouve | Jaiko D'Kana | Rosered | JediEthic | Mike/JJ/TheKing | Kensei | Dane | Gradius | Thomas Skywalker | Pink Floyd | Setementor | Steinin | Odan-Wei ] [ Owner of: MetaDust's 500th comment! | Eica's 700th comment! | Pink Floyd's 666th, 999th, 1200th and 1337th comment! | DarkRyu's 400th comment! | Redeye's 1st comment! | Cow's 1111st comment! | Rufusan's 75th comment! | Wicek's 3300th and 3400th comment! | Dash Starlight's 2000th comment! | Piccolo's 3400th comment! | Takaru's 300th comment! | Senor Hat's 900th comment! | Rytandus' 4160th comment! | The first ever awarded, the original, the one and only, Catphin Award!!1 ] "Music expresses that which can not be put in to words but can not remain silent." This comment was edited by Ataris on Nov 16 2005 06:42am. |
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Vaughn - Student 
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Well, this is what i didnt understand. The first time i watched the movie... it didnt look as if Yoda had actually lost. Sure, he fell like, over 10 stories. But good ol palpy was hanging on, with one hand, swinging around.. while Yoda was getting up and running away. Hell, if i was able to get up and run away, id use my good little force, pick up one of those chairs, and whip it at palpy. Now Obi vs Ani... Friendship in flames! At the end of that... Obi Wan could have (read Should have) used the force to throw ani into the lava. To finish him off. Oh, and we have to figure out why vader gets a new saber: obi took his. cant remember what else i was gonna say... something about swordfighting... ah well. i forget _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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Dachande - Student 
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Quote: there are many examples of the unrealism of the fight, I got the movie on my computer, and have seen EVERY strike/block in SLOW MOTION. Couple of the strikes they made, wouldnt even of hit their opponent (but was blocked anyways). Quote: the orginal three movies had very realistic fights. And they're classics. I think that your sense of realism is not necessarily what would be realistic in that universe or galaxy or time or whatever. So it is somewhat unrealistic to contend that it's unrealistic. Or something along those lines  None of us are jedi and none of us really know much about fighting with lightsabers and what exact role that things like force powers and saber feints have in fights. Just because they don't hit or wouldn't have hit doesn't mean they don't have a purpose. And the original trilogy movies are not classics for the "realistic" saber fights. IMHO the saber fight in ANH is kinda lame (yeah it was cool when I was 7). They are classics because of the fantasy elements (space ships, The Force, etc.) and the typical good triumphing over evil story. My $0.02. I know why their classics...itz because of the fantasy and spacechips and all what you said...i was replyin to one of the guyz who said the movies would suck if the sword fights werent all flashy...I was tryin to make th epoint that just because you dont have flshy figth scenes doesnt mean the movie will suck... and for realism im lookin at if the lightsabers were swords. Or if I had a weapon that was round but could cut anything (well a baseball bat is also round but u dont wanan be hit by it even tho it cant cut) I wouldnt be going all flashy..i mean with a regular sword u wouldnt wanna do A LOT of the stuff..ep1 was passable tho..like the 1st figth with qui gon and maul. but anakin and obi was like WHOA...not happenin.. _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... |
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Threat - Student 
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Quote: there are many examples of the unrealism of the fight, I got the movie on my computer, and have seen EVERY strike/block in SLOW MOTION. Couple of the strikes they made, wouldnt even of hit their opponent (but was blocked anyways). Quote: the orginal three movies had very realistic fights. And they're classics. I think that your sense of realism is not necessarily what would be realistic in that universe or galaxy or time or whatever. So it is somewhat unrealistic to contend that it's unrealistic. Or something along those lines None of us are jedi and none of us really know much about fighting with lightsabers and what exact role that things like force powers and saber feints have in fights. Just because they don't hit or wouldn't have hit doesn't mean they don't have a purpose. And the original trilogy movies are not classics for the "realistic" saber fights. IMHO the saber fight in ANH is kinda lame (yeah it was cool when I was 7). They are classics because of the fantasy elements (space ships, The Force, etc.) and the typical good triumphing over evil story. My $0.02. _______________ - Threat Ex-Unofficial Padawan of Rivian, AKA Chaos Ex-Unofficial Padawan of Phantom Owner of Grycen's 180th comment, Raydoe's 455th comment, and Rivian's EVIL 666th comment! |
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Dachande - Student
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Quote: Ugh.. Movie swordplay and saber fighting is made to look impressive, you aren't going to get a very realistic fight while the director still wants it to look all pretty. In a lot of saber fights, watching them in slow mo reveals that they're not really trying to kill each other at all.. If you think of the potency of the lightsaber, you can imagine that fights would actually be over much more quickly than in the movies, probably within seconds, but that wouldn't make for a very good movie now, would it? /teh end. the orginal three movies had very realistic fights. And they're classics. _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... |
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Esta - Student 
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Ugh.. Movie swordplay and saber fighting is made to look impressive, you aren't going to get a very realistic fight while the director still wants it to look all pretty. In a lot of saber fights, watching them in slow mo reveals that they're not really trying to kill each other at all.. If you think of the potency of the lightsaber, you can imagine that fights would actually be over much more quickly than in the movies, probably within seconds, but that wouldn't make for a very good movie now, would it? /teh end. _______________ -Kauyon Draconis [Official master of Ataris] |
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SaZ - Student 
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hmmm like someone said most of prequel duels look like ppl are just swingin their sabers in the air without any intention to hit their opponent. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: In the ep3 figth there is a part where anikin and obi wan stand face to face standing STRAIGHT UP(they arent even squared up and both legs are planted STRAIGHT and are shoulder lenght) and they do figure eights with otu hitting eachother. That's not true. They are hitting each other. Look closely at the ends of the lightsabers. They are hitting each other all over. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Dachande - Student
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Quote: the obi and ani figth SUX...prop goes to the actors on moving that fast since they were movin faster than maul and obi did in ep1...but that was cgi..in ep3 the actors relle did move that fast...however...the sword fight jus SUXED...i mean at one point they both stood up STR8 and did figure 8's and never hit eachother...WAT IS THAT...dude i woulda fell asleep if they didnt cut into yoda/sidious fight. and thatz y they had the yoda and sidious..cuz they HAD to have the ani/obi for completing the storyline..the yoda/sidious is so we dont turn obi/ani OFF.. Dachande: please, please type in correct English! I don't care much about grammar, but one long run-on sentence with overused ellipses and most words misspelled or written in shorthand hurts my eyes to read. What in the ep. I fight was CGI? The actor who plays Darth Maul, Ray Park, is actually a stuntman-- as such, he did all of his own stunts; there's no CGI replacing him. Ewan McGregor did his stuff, with an occasional stunt double for him; no CGI there either. Just what were you referring to? As to the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight in ep. III, I'm going to assume by your comments that you've never fought with a sword before. Trust me when I say that everything they do is basically sound, if occasionally applied differently due to the differences between their universe and our own. NOT the stunts in Ep1..the figth after qui gon dies, obi and maul go at it mad fast, that was speeded up by a computer, (just the speed). in ep3 the actors that played obi and ani really did move that fast. and I've fought with a sword, every saturday btw. And no all the prequel trilogy fights were unrealistic. (ep2 fight with obi and dooku for like 2 secs was believable.) In the ep3 figth there is a part where anikin and obi wan stand face to face standing STRAIGHT UP(they arent even squared up and both legs are planted STRAIGHT and are shoulder lenght) and they do figure eights with otu hitting eachother. Then they finally striek but both their strikes block their opponents strike. Afterwards to break it they do force push. So that scene is telling me when someone sword fights or ANY fight, you don't need to squared off? And you can just stand liek stick figures. there are many examples of the unrealism of the fight, I got the movie on my computer, and have seen EVERY strike/block in SLOW MOTION. Couple of the strikes they made, wouldnt even of hit their opponent (but was blocked anyways). _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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Quote: Trust me when I say that everything they do is basically sound, if occasionally applied differently due to the differences between their universe and our own. ...if you don't worry about little things like half-decent technique or realistic reaction speeds (the Force notwithstanding). _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Trad Redav - Student 
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Quote: the obi and ani figth SUX...prop goes to the actors on moving that fast since they were movin faster than maul and obi did in ep1...but that was cgi..in ep3 the actors relle did move that fast...however...the sword fight jus SUXED...i mean at one point they both stood up STR8 and did figure 8's and never hit eachother...WAT IS THAT...dude i woulda fell asleep if they didnt cut into yoda/sidious fight. and thatz y they had the yoda and sidious..cuz they HAD to have the ani/obi for completing the storyline..the yoda/sidious is so we dont turn obi/ani OFF.. Dachande: please, please type in correct English! I don't care much about grammar, but one long run-on sentence with overused ellipses and most words misspelled or written in shorthand hurts my eyes to read. What in the ep. I fight was CGI? The actor who plays Darth Maul, Ray Park, is actually a stuntman-- as such, he did all of his own stunts; there's no CGI replacing him. Ewan McGregor did his stuff, with an occasional stunt double for him; no CGI there either. Just what were you referring to? As to the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight in ep. III, I'm going to assume by your comments that you've never fought with a sword before. Trust me when I say that everything they do is basically sound, if occasionally applied differently due to the differences between their universe and our own. _______________ Well then. Just so you know, just because I don't post often doesn't mean I don't lurk this place multiple times every day... |
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Dachande - Student 
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the obi and ani figth SUX...prop goes to the actors on moving that fast since they were movin faster than maul and obi did in ep1...but that was cgi..in ep3 the actors relle did move that fast...however...the sword fight jus SUXED...i mean at one point they both stood up STR8 and did figure 8's and never hit eachother...WAT IS THAT...dude i woulda fell asleep if they didnt cut into yoda/sidious fight. and thatz y they had the yoda and sidious..cuz they HAD to have the ani/obi for completing the storyline..the yoda/sidious is so we dont turn obi/ani OFF.. _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... This comment was edited by Dachande on Oct 20 2005 04:44am. |
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Raydoe_Mintaka - Student 
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Quote: Noone dies? Ok so Anakin has no legs and 1 arm left...not dead but pretty close...without Ep3 we woudl never see how anakin becomes Darth Vader..he doesnt wear the suit for looks... you know i couldn't have said it better my self... _______________ There is no dominant stance of power. The Power is in the user.... Holder of Lucky-Adept 222th post and 92 Lucky Charm yay XD.Zadus 50th comment!Pink Floyd Mintaka700th comment Rin_Mintaka 900th comment! ARGGGGGHHH MATEY!!!!!!! Quote: You are pretty tricky with red single heh
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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Noone dies? Ok so Anakin has no legs and 1 arm left...not dead but pretty close...without Ep3 we woudl never see how anakin becomes Darth Vader..he doesnt wear the suit for looks... _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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Fire - Student 
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The action was supreme, the acting wasn't so supreme. The best acting scene throughout the entire Star Wars Prequel saga with Anakin and Padme is the scene where they are looking out the window across the buildings with the setting sun on the horizon in the city before Anakin goes off to kill everyone and go mentally retarded. Ironically, they don't speak in it either. I took that best acting scene from somewhere but I don't remember where, but nonetheless, I agree completely. |
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J'ann Kinree - Student 
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I thought the fights were the saving grace of the film, without them the film would have just been a conflicting set of events that made a bit of a hash of tieing up 5 of my favourite films. |
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Aiden - Student 
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Omg, stupid! |
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Marlyr - Student 
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Without Episode 3 the Starwars Saga would be weird! _______________ May the force be with... Me? |
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who cares? was awesome to see el supremo fights, non-stop action _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Quote: ... I'm not sure about yoda's, i guess audiences wanted to see Yoda kick some butt ... Oh it did have a point. People have been wondering: if so powerful Yoda is, then why is he hiding? Is the Emperor even more powerful? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Raziel Anjelis - Student 
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Quote: Ummm ok I didnt know that but comon you cant say that those last two fights were sorta pointless since noone dies, and everyone is restored to full health. Not really. Cause it ties in with EP4. Remember? ''Now I am the master.'' I'm not sure about yoda's, i guess audiences wanted to see Yoda kick some butt. But the Obi - Ani duel had a point, it tied the two trilogies together, which is what Lucas was aiming for. Anakin having no limbs, Obi meeting Vader for the second time, the reason why Anakin is burnt in ROTJ. It keeps the stories in chronological order, tying them together. _______________ Proud owner of El Vee For's 200th Comment, and Wicek's 2600th comment DaMi3N's 400th, Trad Redav's 666th.
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: The force played in favor of the sith, so that the Jedi could be reborn through the son of Skywalker, Luke (said by lucas has said it luke is the most powerful Jedi in all of Jedi existance.) the Jedi became too proud, and blind. in my opinion at least and its a good opinion too, since it matches mine...lol _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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