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Can someone strong enough use the force to levitate?
Oct 15 2005 10:23pm

Yuken Zalak
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Where do you think the line is drawn... I mean Anakin had hte greatest amount of midis ever... Where would have been the limit of his powers if someone had taught him well and he did not suffer the loss against Obi-Wan... If he could have studied since he was a little boy.. Could he have levitated by using the force... Or snap his fingers and blow someones heart? With some knows background info by you all I hope I can get my answer :).. Thank you already...
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Oct 23 2005 07:51pm

Yuken Zalak
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Yes... But why not jedi use it... I mean someone strong enough liek Yoda... If he must kill someone.. If it is a must, why not snap him to death instead of chopping him into pieces
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Oct 23 2005 05:57pm

Trad Redav
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so why can´t you forcepush trough someones chest and move his heart so that he dies
Theoretically, a jedi could use the Force to rip a person's heart out of their body. However, Jedi would never do this because it is an extremely dark thing to do, and Dark Jedi would probably not do it because they'd prefer other ways of killing someone. Other ways that aren't quite so immediate, for example. When you choke someone, they feel their conciousness slip away as they need more and more oxygen that they don't have. The choker can have the satisfaction of watching the victim gasp and collapse. Comparatively, ripping someone's heart out is much too fast a death for them.
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Oct 23 2005 03:20pm

Yuken Zalak
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Someone said there is no forcepower strong enough for that... There are no powers really... Just different ways to ''control'' the midiclorians... Now if you just can control them well enough why couldn´t they make you stay in the air.. of course ot would be VERY hard and all but why not possible... And you can do forcethings to someone at the same planet even if far... Sidious could have choked the two sissies trough holo in ep1 so why can´t you forcepush trough someones chest and move his heart so that he dies
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Oct 21 2005 10:31pm

Dachande
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maybe he jus did force heal...he was knocke dunconsious (or had his eyes closed) for couple of seconds...
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Oct 21 2005 09:18pm

Trad Redav
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 Trad Redav

Not completely-- they can't not fall. But it breaks down to the Force cancelling the acceleration of gravity, yeah.
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Oct 21 2005 08:17pm

Eica
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Meh, surely this breaks down to a case of force power cancelling out gravity?
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Oct 21 2005 04:34am

Dachande
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he bounced real funny like...almost liek if he was a basketball...(i relle dont care if he used force..) but watch the part again...itz mad funny..itz like a green fuzzy ugly babay jumped out of a window.
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Oct 20 2005 02:23pm

SaZ
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 SaZ

well its just what i saw - yoda fell down.
no slowdown no nothing. just an ordinary fall...
except the fact that yoda was alive after it :)
luck or will of the force? we will never know i guess :)
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Oct 20 2005 04:49am

Trad Redav
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 Trad Redav

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umm his physiology has to be different...by memeory i remember he bounced when he hit the floor then hit again...it either that or the physics is diff...or my memory sux. but if he did bounce...well then...soemthin is different...and ur science is correct..ull be accelerating at a speed of 9.85m/s squared...when ur falling...


Yes, his physiology is obivous different. Note the "vastly" there. And you think we don't bounce if we hit the ground like that?*
Gravity on earth accelerates things -9.82m/s/s (or m/s^2)-- do we know what Coruscant's gravity is?

*Having never experienced a fall like that, I have no idea if humans bounce. Probably not, actually. But still, it doesn't negate my argument.
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Oct 20 2005 04:37am

Dachande
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Presuming Yoda's physiology was not vastly different from ours, he would probably have-- at the very least-- cracked some ribs. More likely, most of them would have been broken, and he would have had serious internal hemorrhaging.

And you say he "definitely" didn't use the Force to slow his fall?




umm his physiology has to be different...by memeory i remember he bounced when he hit the floor then hit again...it either that or the physics is diff...or my memory sux. but if he did bounce...well then...soemthin is different...and ur science is correct..ull be accelerating at a speed of 9.85m/s squared...when ur falling...
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Oct 19 2005 11:46pm

Trad Redav
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 Trad Redav

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errrm imperator... yoda fell down from that height but he didnt die only because... well he was that strong :D
that definetly wasnt a force power... he just fell down like ordinary human lol

K, I'm gonna have to change my name back to normal, people keep calling me imperator ... :P

How and why can you say it "definitely" wasn't a force power? I'd have to see the scene again (November First cannot come soon enough!) but I'm fairly certain that he falls from a fairly high... er... height. Assuming that, outside of the Force, physics works the same there as here, we can assume that an object that is falling will fall faster and faster every second until a) the object hits an immovable object or other force that stops or slows it, or b) the object reaches its terminal velocity. While, as I said, the scene is not available for me to time, I doubt Yoda's fall was long enough for him to reach terminal velocity (whatever his might be). Still, he certainly fell long enough to gain a respectable speed. Now, what happens if you trip and land flat on your chest? The wind is knocked out of you. Take that principle and magnify it to the speed Yoda was going. Presuming Yoda's physiology was not vastly different from ours, he would probably have-- at the very least-- cracked some ribs. More likely, most of them would have been broken, and he would have had serious internal hemorrhaging.

And you say he "definitely" didn't use the Force to slow his fall?

(If you find valid flaws in my scientific reasoning, don't worry-- I'm not an expert in any of this.)
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This comment was edited by Trad Redav on Oct 19 2005 11:48pm.

Oct 19 2005 10:21pm

Monteeeeeee
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nope he just sommersaults over the balcany, a poor piece of un-needed CGI im my opinion, stairs would of been more dramitc :D


Hmm, am almost certain he flips over the rail, and then uses the force to "slow" his decent to the lower level. It isn't levitate though.


No he dont slow down, just poor CGI :P
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Oct 19 2005 10:13pm

SaZ
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errrm imperator... yoda fell down from that height but he didnt die only because... well he was that strong :D
that definetly wasnt a force power... he just fell down like ordinary human lol
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Oct 19 2005 08:57pm

(Jedi)Obi-JK
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nope he just sommersaults over the balcany, a poor piece of un-needed CGI im my opinion, stairs would of been more dramitc :D


Hmm, am almost certain he flips over the rail, and then uses the force to "slow" his decent to the lower level. It isn't levitate though.

I always assume Yoda was levitating the seat he uses to move around in EP2. But that does still raise the point, he is levitating an object that is supporting him, but not levitating himself.

So either this is hard for some reason, or we really haven't seen it because no writer movie/book/comic/etc has found a spot where they though levitation would be so cool.
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Oct 19 2005 08:31pm

Trad Redav
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 Trad Redav

While I'm only going on my own memory on this, and have no reference material, I think that jedi cannot levitate themselves-- which is, for example, why Yoda didn't simply fly back up after being knocked off the platform in the Yoda/Sidious duel in ep. III. However, they can slow their falls, which is why Yoda didn't die after falling from such a height. What Luke did in the Gantoris fight was similar-- he didn't levitate himself up, he merely boosted his jumping power and lessened the pull of gravity, leaving him capable of jumping up to a tree branch.
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Oct 18 2005 11:39pm

Monteeeeeee
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nope he just sommersaults over the balcany, a poor piece of un-needed CGI im my opinion, stairs would of been more dramitc :D
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Oct 18 2005 10:37pm

Dachande
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 Dachande

deosnt dooku levitate in ep3..right when he walks in with the droids...(right before the duel)
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Oct 18 2005 07:12pm

Mic Den Octela
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Well.. in a way you have to concentrate and listen to your midichlorians to manipulate the force yeah? Moving other objects is no biggie, but moving yourself would be difficult. You may be able to temporarily levitate. But force jump and heal are evidence that jedi can manipulate themselves.

Maybe you'd have to train your mind and stuff to be able to levitate.
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Oct 18 2005 12:23am

Zadus
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yea yoda uses the force to make his cahri levitate in ep 2
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Oct 16 2005 06:18pm

Dachande
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wasnt yoda leviatating in ep2 or was that jsu a hover chair...i liek to think he was leviataing with the chair...but even so...he would be liftin th echair...not himself...hmmm i wonder if they can do wat magneto did in X-men2, or wat static shock does in the cartoon...take soemthing round...hover it usin telekenisis..and stand on it...and make that round thing move..
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Oct 16 2005 03:49pm

SaZ
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 SaZ

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hmm dooku's force push levitated Obi Wan before he was thrown in Episode 3 if im not mistaken


agaisnt obi's will ofcourse... :D
ive never saw anyone actually levitating using their own force .
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Oct 16 2005 01:19pm

Monteeeeeee
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 Monteeeeeee

hmm dooku's force push levitated Obi Wan before he was thrown in Episode 3 if im not mistaken
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Oct 16 2005 12:54pm

Eica
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Bah, I don't think there is a force power discovered poerful enough for sustained levitation, at least not from what I've seen/read
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Oct 16 2005 04:15am

Nuebus
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depends on the person, Luke Skywalker levitated up to a tree during his duel with Gantoris in Jedi,I
and he also levitated down to the ground from a height of like 2km up when he ejected from his X-wing in The courtship of princess Leia, however Corran Horn has trouble even levitating his lightsaber. However since Anakin is Luke's daddy i wouldnt b surprised if he was pwnz0r at levitation... why he didnt still confuses me.

as for bursting a man's heart, thats quite different to force choking, choke is actual causing the victim's lungs to convulse and constrict, you could do that to someone's heart if your skilled enuyff not accidentally 'choke' oh i dont know, the pancreas, intestines etc. Choke is most common simply because the line can be traced through which a person breathes.
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Oct 15 2005 10:52pm

Esta
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Levitation eh?
It certainly wouldn't surprise me, we've seen the force being used to lift even the heaviest of objects, lifting other people, or yourself should be too much of a challenge really.
And blowing someone's heart at will doesn't seem to far-fetch'd when we look at Vader choking people from across the room in Episodes IV-VI.
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