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just completed this again, and enjoyed it more than i did the first time. I played as a pacifist so i didn't 'kill' anyone (although a few enemies have a self destruct even if you just knock em out) which was loads of fun surprisingly, and not many games i have played let you have that dynamic. Anyway having completed this and the original Deus Ex, i was thinking i'd like the Jedi Knight series to go in this direction, am open ended game that feels huge, with a strong plot and depth, of course it would have to have a really good multiplayer too, but i'd rather the series went this way than just continued as it is. The JK series has become about more than just Kyle Katarn (although he's cool) its become the 'jedi' game (not including swg  ) and i think it deserves more depth to show that.What are your thoughts on DE, and its gameplay relating to JK? _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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SaZ - Student 
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 berserk+slow time and all strenght at max > all anywayz are there anything in deus ex thats really powerful because if i go aggresive then its mostly - oh no i lost 3 hp more than i had to... reload -.- and if i go stealth then there are some other troubles like biocells...and even then... this isnt a game like thief where you can find lots of places to hide... you can backstab either  not even straggle or something lol _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Dec 14 2005 09:53pm. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: fable rocks =) aye i enjoyed it myself, i was completey light and archery pwned  _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Mindrith Pride - Student 
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Quote: still working my way through Morrowind myself  I agree it shares a resemblance with DX through its FPS/RPG combination, but as others have said its actual content is very different.I only used Fable as an example of an open game that Mic described, he mentioned owning property and i knew you could do that in Fable. Personally its one of these games strong points that they are not overly similar to each other, they are all unique in their own way fable rocks =) _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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still working my way through Morrowind myself I agree it shares a resemblance with DX through its FPS/RPG combination, but as others have said its actual content is very different. I only used Fable as an example of an open game that Mic described, he mentioned owning property and i knew you could do that in Fable. Personally its one of these games strong points that they are not overly similar to each other, they are all unique in their own way _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Mindrith Pride - Student
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Quote: i mentioned it because ppl were talking about lots of choices you can make in the game so i think morrowind really fits the discussion tho its not action game liez! and i agree with Mastz00r =D _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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SaZ - Student 
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i mentioned it because ppl were talking about lots of choices you can make in the game so i think morrowind really fits the discussion tho its not action game _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Morrowind is one of the games which gives you the ability to play beyond the ending. Morrowind and DX2 are totally different as well and i dont think you can say that DX2 is anything even close to Morrowind. The only thing which both games have in common is the first-person perspective and a few specific rpg-elements, nothing else. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Dec 14 2005 01:46pm. |
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SaZ - Student
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well lets say... the game just doesnt end after you kill the one and only final boss you can still go and do lots of things. though its a bit the same in the end - you still have to defeat the one and only final boss _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Mindrith Pride - Student
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Quote: ok im gonna install deus ex 2 again, any tips for total noob like i am? w00t a convert hmm tips, well decide what you want to go for at the start its easier (stealth+pacifism or big guns and agressive killing for example) then just make the choices yuo will find most fun so you don't get too bored, err cloak is very handy but remember it dosnt work against bots, complete as many objectives as you can and explore to get the most out of the game.hmm Mic i know what you mean, but a game like DX would find it hard to be completey open, its not a game like fable where you have a house etc. its based on a linear storyline in that you are correct, however you would be surprised the amount of choices in both games/things you can miss out on by doing different things. I only found out Paul Denton could survive the first game after i completed it, when my dad was going through it and did it differently for example. thanks for tips! anywayz you shouldnt compare it to fable... more like morrowind or gothic series  ok i've never played invisible wars but correct me if im wrong, isnt morrowind pretty much TOTALLY open ended? you can do whatever ya want. and invisible war doesn't sound like that  _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: ok im gonna install deus ex 2 again, any tips for total noob like i am? w00t a convert hmm tips, well decide what you want to go for at the start its easier (stealth+pacifism or big guns and agressive killing for example) then just make the choices yuo will find most fun so you don't get too bored, err cloak is very handy but remember it dosnt work against bots, complete as many objectives as you can and explore to get the most out of the game.hmm Mic i know what you mean, but a game like DX would find it hard to be completey open, its not a game like fable where you have a house etc. its based on a linear storyline in that you are correct, however you would be surprised the amount of choices in both games/things you can miss out on by doing different things. I only found out Paul Denton could survive the first game after i completed it, when my dad was going through it and did it differently for example. thanks for tips! anywayz you shouldnt compare it to fable... more like morrowind or gothic series _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: ok im gonna install deus ex 2 again, any tips for total noob like i am? w00t a convert hmm tips, well decide what you want to go for at the start its easier (stealth+pacifism or big guns and agressive killing for example) then just make the choices yuo will find most fun so you don't get too bored, err cloak is very handy but remember it dosnt work against bots, complete as many objectives as you can and explore to get the most out of the game.hmm Mic i know what you mean, but a game like DX would find it hard to be completey open, its not a game like fable where you have a house etc. its based on a linear storyline in that you are correct, however you would be surprised the amount of choices in both games/things you can miss out on by doing different things. I only found out Paul Denton could survive the first game after i completed it, when my dad was going through it and did it differently for example. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Mic Den Octela - Student 
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Quote: Yea the ending...both DX games had muliple endings. Only few RPGs give you actually the ability to play beyond the ending. Hehe, yeah. I wasn't talking about the ending.. i was talking about the quests and aims and things. In the end, you have two little decisions once you get into the game. The beginning shows off loads of things that get thrown away as soon as you've made your choices. _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) |
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Mindrith Pride - Student
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i do love these games but i recon that they should make another mmorpg that is like swg.. only dont mess it up and also make it free! however i think they should continue the series making it better _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Dont shoot yourself in the foot. =P oh cmon! well ofcourse its a good tip but i need something... for offense or to get through trouble. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Dont shoot yourself in the foot. =P _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student
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ok im gonna install deus ex 2 again, any tips for total noob like i am? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Quote: When your really not, it just makes you feel like it isn't as linear as it truly is. Sure you have loads of different ways to do things, but they all end up in the same result. Yea the ending...both DX games had muliple endings. Only few RPGs give you actually the ability to play beyond the ending. The way you chose to play DX actually has an impact on how things are developing. Especially in DX2 where you will be faced with different sorts of allies/enemies if you make certain choices throughout the game. Of course you dont have an alignment meter like in kotor where every action you do is going to give you alignment points which will change the way you look and that sort of stuff. Nope, you gonna get skill-points instead which you can spend on upgrading skills which can drastically change the gaming experience and your general way of approach throughout the game. Of course you cannot "buy a home" and yea, youll leave one map for good after a while. However, you actually get to participate in the action yourself. Your level of effectivity actually depends on how well you can aim that gun, how good your movement is and how well you can find cover in heavy firefights... DX is like your typical rpg with the exception that it IS actually a fps. A Few rpg-elements have been exchanged for a few fps-elements which created an innovative and very fun combination resulting in an almost completly new genre. very well said mate although in one way i agree with Mic, i certainly think that it can still be improved, as Masta says its almost a new genre of game, and can still be tinkered with in all sorts of ways a game based on a basic Quake engine and gameplay (to an extent) can't. Honestly i believe the only way for the series to survive critically and not just as an LA money making device is to move it into the same category of DX, design the game to be a mature and inivotive as the comunity that plays it has proven to be. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Quote: When your really not, it just makes you feel like it isn't as linear as it truly is. Sure you have loads of different ways to do things, but they all end up in the same result. Yea the ending...both DX games had muliple endings. Only few RPGs give you actually the ability to play beyond the ending. The way you chose to play DX actually has an impact on how things are developing. Especially in DX2 where you will be faced with different sorts of allies/enemies if you make certain choices throughout the game. Of course you dont have an alignment meter like in kotor where every action you do is going to give you alignment points which will change the way you look and that sort of stuff. Nope, you gonna get skill-points instead which you can spend on upgrading skills which can drastically change the gaming experience and your general way of approach throughout the game. Of course you cannot "buy a home" and yea, youll leave one map for good after a while. However, you actually get to participate in the action yourself. Your level of effectivity actually depends on how well you can aim that gun, how good your movement is and how well you can find cover in heavy firefights... DX is like your typical rpg with the exception that it IS actually a fps. A Few rpg-elements have been exchanged for a few fps-elements which created an innovative and very fun combination resulting in an almost completly new genre. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Deus Ex 1 and 2 are truly good games however its full of illusion. They trick you into thinking your playing some futuristic Morrowind or some kind of Offline MMORPG. When your really not, it just makes you feel like it isn't as linear as it truly is. Sure you have loads of different ways to do things, but they all end up in the same result. If you knock someone out, avoid them or kill them, you still get the same kind of feeling from it. Apart from toying with bodies to cure some anger and throwing them around, theres not much else to do. Story-wise its awesome, but JK's story kinda went all pooey after JK1. Jedi Outcast was a little to saber friendly, way too many people swinging neon glowsticks around for any good starwars game. Sure I like seeing red versus blue as much as the next person, but surely you shouldn't have a saber army. Same with Jedi Academy, the JK series was about Kyle, and jk3 gave you the illusion that you had a choice in what you do.. when you really only have one choice. Good or bad, about halfway through. Even once you've done both of those its still not much different. Theres no feeling of the jedi really being you. Its just some guy/girl called Jaden who either turns out good or bad but in the end twats Marka Ragnos with his vwingatron. Deus Ex gameplay would be good if they didn't try to pretend it was more than it was. The world/maps/levels are just not as free-roaming as you would think. It might be fun to hop around for half an hour checking out the bar and the apartment blocks, but none of those apartment blocks are yours, you can't go back to any of the previous maps whenever you want, willy nilly. Your confined to do what they want you do, with a tetch of freedom and loads of pretentia. Like the credit system, you can earn credits (can.. and HAVE to.. theres no other sure-fire method of earning enough credits to pay for keys and things..) but you can't do barely anything with them that isn't story related. Sure, there is alot you can do in the game, but just not quite as much as it could have. Its a good game, both of them, but if you converge JK and DE then you'll get an odd version of KOTOR in First Person. We'll see... _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Quote: well i guess i wanted those biocells to regenerate like force ^^ thats kinda another point, Deus Ex's biomods/augs work in a similar way to JK's force powers, another reason why i see the gameplay style DX uses as very compatible with a jedi game, being able to play through a jedi game as almost a complete pacifist would certainly fit as well (unless you were dark/grey). As Masta said, it would be great to see a new rpg/fps/action type game as not many have attempted it since DX and No one lives forever, i think star wars and the jedi knight series would be perfectly suited to the task and if done correctly would get them critical acclaim. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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SaZ - Student
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well i guess i wanted those biocells to regenerate like force ^^ _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Quote: i didnt like deusex2 because of some unfun things like you can only regenerate your powers after eating some of byonical crap. well yeah i know you arent god in that game but its not fun! lets say i wanna see how my invisibility looks... oh noes i just used all of my byonical energy. wtfh4x anywayz i dont like sci-fi... except star wars lol if you mean the 'biocells' they have always been in deus ex, and personally i just completed with cloak as a biomod and it lasted for ages with full energy, anyway if your not a fan of other sci-fi i expect you were unlikely to be a fan _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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SaZ - Student
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i didnt like deusex2 because of some unfun things like you can only regenerate your powers after eating some of byonical crap. well yeah i know you arent god in that game but its not fun! lets say i wanna see how my invisibility looks... oh noes i just used all of my byonical energy. wtfh4x anywayz i dont like sci-fi... except star wars ofcourse some of action rpg games like vampire:bloodlines are really good. but definetly not dx2 for me. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Dec 12 2005 02:04pm. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Quote: Well, since in my opinion DX2's gameplay was rather bad, ive only played it because of the story which was more then enough to keep me entertained. DX1 was a masterpiece with a rather bad sequel which reminds me a bit of kotor and kotor2 =/ It would be definitely great to see another semi-rpg game like DX though. I really like the combination of fps and rpg elements in a game. Yeah while i agree in many ways DX2 didn't come close to the original, just being able to play it through as a pacifist is clever, and there are still loads of little touches that take it above other games. I disagree about the KotOR 2 comparison, while DX2 was supposidly 'dumbed down' for its new console audience, KotOR2 merely suffered from not having enough development time, and came out rushed in places, i actually enjoyed KotOR2 a lot despite the bugs, plot holes etc. I see two people have already voted that there won't be another jedi knight game, well my argument against that has been used in another thread but basically 'Jedi' sells games, LA know that very well, anyone that has ever played SWG knows how popular jedi can be, well LA are in it to make money and when they decide they have milked the prequals enough, they will bring out another 'jedi' game (i'm guessing it will continue with the name Jedi knight) and probably allow a KotOR3 which is rumoured to have been halted in development for now or something. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Well, since in my opinion DX2's gameplay was rather bad, ive only played it because of the story which was more then enough to keep me entertained. DX1 was a masterpiece with a rather bad sequel which reminds me a bit of kotor and kotor2 =/ It would be definitely great to see another semi-rpg game like DX though. I really like the combination of fps and rpg elements in a game. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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