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D@RtHM@UL - Student  |
I've been reading a lot of Star Wars stuff lately, and watched the movies, and I was wondering who was the best Saberist. As far as I've read and seen, the 3 best would be Yoda, Mace Windu and The Emperor. But since we've not seen any of these fight each other untill death, we haven't really seen who's stronger. In the fight between Mace Windu and The Emperor, Mace was definitly better than The Emperor, but I'm pretty positive The Emperor wasn't fighting at his best but just waiting untill Anakin would come in. The battle between Yoda and The Emperor wasn't really a good fight to determine who was better. The battleground sucked because of the difference in height, and Yoda eventually fell and fled. Even though Yoda and The Emperor were both tired, I'm pretty sure they could've continued the fight for atleast a little bit longer. Mace Windu was the only one besides Depa Billaba that fully mastered Vaapad, probably considered the strongest saberstyle, but also the hardest. Yoda and The Emperor both mastered Ataru, though The Emperor used a variation of the Form. What's your opinion of who the best Saberist is? This would be in a Lightsaber duel to the death, no Force Powers used. Myself, I'd probably say this: 1. Yoda 2. Mace Windu 3. The Emperor This post was edited by D@RtHM@UL on Dec 27 2005 12:43pm. |
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Who was the best Saberist? Please explain your choice.
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: i wanted to c kit fisto AND plo koon have a go with their skills... they are both awsome Yeah, would've liked to see the important Jedi Council Members being killed better than being shot down, or sliced in 1 sec. You saw Ki-Adi-Mundi deflecting some Blaster Bolts before getting owned, they should've done that for some more Councillers. Yeah i agree, for example Aayla Secura was supposidly well respected by her troops on Felucia and wielded twin sabers (although this seems to vary in other cases so i dunno if its correct), i think she would of sensed a sudden hostile intent at the very least (as they were not in combat when they shot her) or maybe they would of even given her a chance to fight back but meh. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Jan 14 2006 09:10pm. |
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Quote: i wanted to c kit fisto AND plo koon have a go with their skills... they are both awsome Yeah, would've liked to see the important Jedi Council Members being killed better than being shot down, or sliced in 1 sec. You saw Ki-Adi-Mundi deflecting some Blaster Bolts before getting owned, they should've done that for some more Councillers. |
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Kukok - Student 
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i wanted to c kit fisto AND plo koon have a go with their skills... they are both awsome |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Yeah I was personally hoping to see Kit Fisto get down with his saber skills  Oh well another dream shattered! _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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{JASA}GhosT - Student 
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FTW!!!!!!! 11 one SIFO-DYAS !!!one./slashwun!! lol duh |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: Yeah There is no way that Obi-Wan could've came close to handling Sidious in the duel He and Yoda fought. In my opinion, if Dooku could catch Obi-Wan with 2 force throws, I don't think he could've even come close to beating Sidious. He was just too strong in the force. People say Sidious is the best cause he took out 3 Masters real fast. I think they were just caught off guard. As sad as it sounds. Here is this politician they have known for a very long time and all of a sudden he's rushing thru the air at them with a lightsaber. I think he got lucky. I must say that that scene was pretty lame, if you really think about it, it makes no sense that he took out 3 of them. All you see them do there is wait their turn to get killed, you don't see them attack him or do ANYTHING, pretty dumb IMO. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Yeah i think he got lucky taking two out in one move as well, they new he was a Sith Lord but maybe they were overconfident and underestimated him. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Yeah There is no way that Obi-Wan could've came close to handling Sidious in the duel He and Yoda fought. In my opinion, if Dooku could catch Obi-Wan with 2 force throws, I don't think he could've even come close to beating Sidious. He was just too strong in the force. People say Sidious is the best cause he took out 3 Masters real fast. I think they were just caught off guard. As sad as it sounds. Here is this politician they have known for a very long time and all of a sudden he's rushing thru the air at them with a lightsaber. I think he got lucky. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Anakin was the chosen one, he was special thats true, although i do not think that has anything to do with saber skill. At the time of Episode 3 he was similar in style to Obi Wan, perhaps more agressive in the way he fought, as we saw it was Obi Wan's calm that proved better in the end. When he became Darth Vader his style changed, his movement was restricted in the suit so he developed a brutal style that while powerful didn't leave him open. I'd say he never suppased all his peers in saber combat myself, although his sheer anger made him powerful. My opinion is that Sidious would of proved to cunning and ingenuitive for Obi Wan, i think combat has a lot more depth than who is more skilled with the blade, it can be a battle of the mind, the fight between Obi and Anakin is a good example. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: no but Palpatine wouldnt have taken him on if he didnt think he would turn out any good.. obi1 admitted he would be far greater jedi than him and even yoda and palpitine said b4 their fight started, Anakin will become more powerful than any of us. etc. so no... its nothing like saying qui gon would be the best  Palpatine claimed Anakin would become far more powerful than the both of them. Yoda said that Palpatine's faith in Anakin maybe misplaced. |
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no but Palpatine wouldnt have taken him on if he didnt think he would turn out any good.. obi1 admitted he would be far greater jedi than him and even yoda and palpitine said b4 their fight started, Anakin will become more powerful than any of us. etc. so no... its nothing like saying qui gon would be the best _______________ xfire: smithy182 |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: well, does any1 know if yoda was better when he was younger (without a walking stick ;p)? I can imagine, if he was just as strong in the force as he was when he was more err, younger, he would definately be my choice for best saberist. but then again, Anakin WOULD have been better if he didnt get his arse kicked in by ob1. You cant say obi1 would have been the best ever because he got his ass kicked by dooku. As someone has alrdy said, palpatine wasnt determined to beat mace windu, he was waiting for anakin to come in and turn him to the dark.. well there are loads of points to be made on this but imo, its impossible to say who was the best saberist.. That's like saying Qui-Gon would've been better if Maul didn't killed him. The fact that Obi-Wan cut off both of Anakin's legs and 1 arm proves Anakin was less good than Obi-Wan. |
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Quote: Of course there is a major difference between playing TFFA and duels. The most obvious one is: you have teammates. lol No matter how much individual skill each player in the team has, if the team as a whole doesnt work together, then they wont be as successful as a team which mainly relies on teamplay. Although individual skill surely helps, it doesnt win TFFA's by itself. I agree though, its a shame dureal didnt duel everyone with a reputation back then, thus making it impossible to rule out the possibility of others beeing better then him. However, him beeing the most successful dueler, is pretty much what i was referring to when i said: Quote: I also refuse to believe that this guy has an equal in the SW universe. /off-topic In the SW Universe? I wouldn't mind going 1 on 1 with him in JKII  |
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Dark. - Student 
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Quote: thus making it impossible to rule out the possibility of others beeing better then him. also making it impossible for him being better than them argh - thats the last off topic comment i make. _______________ xfire: smithy182 This comment was edited by Dark. on Jan 01 2006 02:52pm. |
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Dark. - Student
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yeah i meant TFFA as in the player that puts the most influence in the side or who has the biggest impact - but anyway - get bak on topic ;p _______________ xfire: smithy182 |
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Of course there is a major difference between playing TFFA and duels. The most obvious one is: you have teammates. lol No matter how much individual skill each player in the team has, if the team as a whole doesnt work together, then they wont be as successful as a team which mainly relies on teamplay. Although individual skill surely helps, it doesnt win TFFA's by itself. I agree though, its a shame dureal didnt duel everyone with a reputation back then, thus making it impossible to rule out the possibility of others beeing better then him. However, him beeing the most successful dueler, is pretty much what i was referring to when i said: Quote: I also refuse to believe that this guy has an equal in the SW universe. /off-topic _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Quote: I also refuse to believe that this guy has an equal in the SW universe. heh, i dunno about that. i've seen some pretty other sick players in my time.. like the 'oldskool' players of zedi.. would have been nice to see dureal facing twilight,sleepy,blindside or lazy for example. but yeh - dureal is definately the most successful dueler ever in JKa. But, he hasnt faced the other 'greats' and ive definately seen better in TFFA.. thats my opinion.. _______________ xfire: smithy182 This comment was edited by Dark. on Jan 01 2006 12:22pm. |
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well, does any1 know if yoda was better when he was younger (without a walking stick ;p)? I can imagine, if he was just as strong in the force as he was when he was more err, younger, he would definately be my choice for best saberist. but then again, Anakin WOULD have been better if he didnt get his arse kicked in by ob1. You cant say obi1 would have been the best ever because he got his ass kicked by dooku. As someone has alrdy said, palpatine wasnt determined to beat mace windu, he was waiting for anakin to come in and turn him to the dark.. well there are loads of points to be made on this but imo, its impossible to say who was the best saberist.. _______________ xfire: smithy182 |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: I would Like to add,though not to tick off every guy and gal here, but "dueling" and fighting are completely different.Dueling has rule persay,and fighting ,,well doesnt.So please try to take that into account as sabering would probably involve both. good point, although i think most of us here are talking about fighting rather than dueling, then again certain jedi were experts against certain opponants or situations, Obi Wan for example was very good at fighting large groups of blaster weilding enemies (droids for example) after several years of war. Likewise the jedi of the new NJO became amazing fighters as they had to fight powerful skilled melee fighters (yuuzhan vong) without the force, many of them could well be incredible saberists yet they havn't been described well enough.There are plenty of other examples of course. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: I would Like to add,though not to tick off every guy and gal here, but "dueling" and fighting are completely different.Dueling has rule persay,and fighting ,,well doesnt.So please try to take that into account as sabering would probably involve both. Hehe, true. Though I would call duelling to the death, fighting |
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O'Liin Onasi - Student 
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I would Like to add,though not to tick off every guy and gal here, but "dueling" and fighting are completely different.Dueling has rule persay,and fighting ,,well doesnt.So please try to take that into account as sabering would probably involve both. _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Quote: Obiwan, he was a legend, such dedication, such knowlege and such skill....he was darth vader...doubt u know what i mean though :p Obi-Wan was a VERY skilled Saberist, and probably the greatest in his Form, but I'm pretty sure he couldn't have beated Yoda, Mace Winu or the Emperor, seeing as he was pretty much owned by Count Dooku who was weaker than the ones in the Poll. But remember, wasnt count dooku meant to be the greatest saberist ever in his young days? Surely in his 'older' age (which he was in ep.2&3) he still had some of that original class still with him and in his younger age, he would have been a more than equal match for the great Mace windu! After all....it mainly took three of them in episode 2, Obiwan and Anakin getting injured rather badly and even yoda couldnt defeat him, although he did weaken him rather substantially! Come to think of it, i agree with you on your point which u made about Obiwan Being the best of his form but i think that he would have been able to defeat yoda, if he for some strange scenario, had to face him...Obiwan shows that sheer determination, something which he showed more then ANY of the other characters (apart from Luke Skywalker, who wouldnt give in to the dark side) in Episode 1, where he was cornered by, not a superior saberist, but by one who took advantage of the surroundings around him....(Darth Maul!!!!)...Maul not only managed to keep both obi and qui-gon at bay but he had the advantage of those timed sheild things which helped spark Obiwan's determination when he saw his master getting defeated by Darth Maul. Even as Obiwan lost his saber, his pure determination and you could say 'anger' at his masters death helped him think it wasnt over and that he wasnt going to die/lose this epic duel so he grabbed his masters saber and completely outclassed what Maul was thinking (Maul underestimated him there for a second which lead to his downfall) Ive gone completely off the subject but the hell with that lol  Ok...my mind is changing as i cant argue with what u said about Obiwan being the best saberist but i instead agree with u on your thought of him being the greatest saberist of his 'form'. Ok, i think Mace Windu is the greatest saberist of all time. He was elegant, Calm, showed little or no emotion it seemed, was a good talker too and most importantly, he could duel and duel well! If i remember, Cheshire Cat once told me that it would basically be impossible on a one on one duel between Mace Windu and another jedi/sith for Windu to be defeated because his style is just too good, cant really remember but i wouldnt mind it if Cheshire had a word in on this if u could please Whoa....i havent answered the question at all...ive just confused myself and you probably lol! Hope you can understand what im saying Don't know if Dooku was the best Saberist when he was young, I do know he was very skilled at the age we see him in the movies though. When Mace Windu was young, he hadn't created Vaapad yet, and wasn't as skilled as he was in his older days. Dooku could easily take on and beat Obi-Wan and Anakin, but he was no match for Yoda as you could easily see. I really wouldn't say Dooku could take on 3 guys, as Yoda would've wiped the floor with him if he hadn't distracted him by letting a pillar fall on Obi-Wan and Anakin. Obi-Wan, as I said before, was EXTREMELY skilled, but I highly doubt he could beat Yoda in a Saber Duel. Yoda was much stronger in the Force than Obi-Wan, so he couldn't have used it to defeat Yoda, as Yoda would've easily blocked it. Also, Yoda said in EPIII that Obi-Wan wasn't strong enough to face Palpatine, but Yoda hold his own against him in a duel, that proves Yoda is more powerful. I agree on Mace being the best during his time though. |
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Quote: i'll add that in my opinion the least developed aspect of the new jedi, such as Jacen Solo etc. is that the authors have not described how they fight as well as they could of. Sometimes the small detail of a characters saber color is left out, i find it irritating lol Yeah, I really like it when the author of a book goes indept into details like clothes, saber color, and that small stuff that seems useless. Really create a whole new feeling for me. |
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