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Bubu - Hubbub  |
The Palestinians just elected the Hamas as their new ruling party. I'll be in my bunker.  _______________ make install -not war |
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Kenwan Obiobi - Student |
Quote: i thought John " The Dunce " Prescott was headline news today in the UK  Er....LOL...im not obviously referring to ALL papers now was i? I saw it on a front page newspaper headline...in fact...it was on quite a few...obviously not all... |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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i thought John " The Dunce " Prescott was headline news today in the UK _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Kenwan Obiobi - Student |
Hmmm...Front page headlines it is. Well...this isnt good... |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: and here is a prime example of buzz feeling like he has to be as miserable as a month of mondays. their goal of destroying israel is there because that land was taken away from them at the end of WWII because europe felt guilty (and rightly so) due to a few genocidal maniacs. the isralis waltz in like they own the place - because politically they do - kicking out the ppl who've lived there for generations. Unsurprisingly this generates shall we say..."resentment". While your optimism is commendable, and your knowledge of the history of Isreal is accurate you give Hamas too much credit. Hamas is a tool, (created by foreign govs to exercise their will not Palestine's)that has just been given a life of its own in these elections. I, like you, "hope" for a turn around of the policy "destroy Isreal" but since that is likely the slogan that won the elections for these people we shouldn't be counting on much change from Hamas. Particularly as long as the Shah of the Newest Nuclear power on the block is running that show. The US isn't the only government to ever install a puppet government.If hamas shows that it can be reasonable you will be eating yr words with a song in your heart (and probably a side order of ketchup). You must not damn them before they've been given a chance. Again good luck to all, and the sincerest PEACE! _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Jan 27 2006 10:57pm. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: Of course, with the IRA their objective was to free Northern Ireland from the UK. Hamas has the destruction of Israel as their objective, and has it stated in their charter that peaceful methods are completely against their beliefs. At least the IRA had the balls to target the system not just civilians. Hamas is labeled as terrorists because they primarily target citizens not the military.With Sharon basically out of power in Israel, and Hamas as the ruling party for the Palis, I think the thin sliver of optimism that there could be a peaceful end there has gone over the horizon. It is sad for that region, but it does reflect the will of the people, AKA democracy. Even democracy can be the wrong fit, especially when education and GNP are nearly non-existent people will vote for anything that promises a change. Change there will be, for the better...highly unlikely. Full-scale multinational and civil war is more likely than a free Palestine, under Hamas. Good luck to all in the region. Quote:
Quote: I don't think US policy ever assumed that a listed terrorist body would ever rule a regime. Short sighted? Naw, total lack of understanding what the people of Palestine really want? More likely. We have nothing but time to see how this pans out. Hamas has a chance to be real in the eyes of world politics lets sincerely hope that positive change is what they want. If they don't the people of palestine will continue to suffer, at no fault but thier own.Official US policy is that we do not make deals with terrorists, so Bush not wanting to work with Hamas, is in line with it. No disagreement here. US policy and terrorist activities notwithstanding, I would have hoped the popular choice (verified by Western auditors) would have at least some influence. ((and by "their own" I mean the majority of the voters of course)) Peace _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Jan 27 2006 09:18pm. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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Quote: Maybe if it was a political party, and not a terrorist group that is funded by Iran and trained by Syria, you'd have a point to stand on tarpman. They are, so you don't. True enough. Quote: Official US policy is that we do not make deals with terrorists, so Bush not wanting to work with Hamas, is in line with it. No disagreement here. US policy and terrorist activities notwithstanding, I would have hoped the popular choice (verified by Western auditors) would have at least some influence. _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. This comment was edited by tarpman on Jan 27 2006 06:47pm. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Just being realistic with what's going on there. If I'm wrong and Hamas can go completely against everything they've stood for since their creation, then I'm wrong and good for the region. I'm not gonna hold my breath though for that to happen. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Menaxia - Student 
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and here is a prime example of buzz feeling like he has to be as miserable as a month of mondays. their goal of destroying israel is there because that land was taken away from them at the end of WWII because europe felt guilty (and rightly so) due to a few genocidal maniacs. the isralis waltz in like they own the place - because politically they do - kicking out the ppl who've lived there for generations. Unsurprisingly this generates shall we say..."resentment". If hamas shows that it can be reasonable you will be eating yr words with a song in your heart (and probably a side order of ketchup). You must not damn them before they've been given a chance. _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Buzz - Student
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Of course, with the IRA their objective was to free Northern Ireland from the UK. Hamas has the destruction of Israel as their objective, and has it stated in their charter that peaceful methods are completely against their beliefs. With Sharon basically out of power in Israel, and Hamas as the ruling party for the Palis, I think the thin sliver of optimism that there could be a peaceful end there has gone over the horizon. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Menaxia - Student
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I think there are parallels here with Sinn Fein and the IRA. A terrorist group comes into politics and this sort of thing should be welcomed as they are probably more willing to talk now. I know it's not quite the same in that Hamas doesn't distinguish between their pollitical and militant wings, but lets give them a chance and see what they do. They have been chosen by the people because they are not happy with the situation as it stands. There is too much hurt on all sides for peace in the middle east to happen overnight. Other nations are right to be cautious, but not to the point of paranoia... _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Buzz - Student
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Maybe if it was a political party, and not a terrorist group that is funded by Iran and trained by Syria, you'd have a point to stand on tarpman. They are, so you don't. Official US policy is that we do not make deals with terrorists, so Bush not wanting to work with Hamas, is in line with it. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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Imagine that for the past couple of decades your country has been sitting at the table with its neighbors, trying to negotiate peace, all the while a terrorist group wearing your neighbor's colors kept popping up from under the table stabbing you in the back. When you asked your neighbors why they send someone to stab you they replied "What are you talking about? We didn't see nothing!". And then, suddenly, your neighbor leaves and the guy who kept stabbing you sits down at their place to talk things over with you. You can't blame Bush for not wanting to deal with the Hamas. _______________ make install -not war |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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Ironic how Bush promotes democracy hugely, right up to the point where the people choose the party he didn't. Observe now the mighty politician in full reversal mode. _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Don't blame you. _______________ Website |
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Buzz - Student
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Nothing like having Iran and Syria in control of the Palistinians. Guess this makes any Pali state they have working a terrorist state. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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