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SaZ - Student  |
well... youll probably laugh but i need a video card for like 60 euro. ofcourse for that price i want the best possible (duh... im ridiculous am i?). any ideas ?  _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Esta - Student 
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They haven't fixed ATI cards rendering dynamic glow as yet. Yes it does look very pretty on nVidia cards. The 7300series is capable of running jka at full graphics settings without lag, so if your budget is stretched, it's still a reasonable upgrade, at least temporarily. Kenyon did mention this, but if you're prepared to overclock a 7300GT (high-end 7300), it'll come close to a lower to mid-range 7600. I don't reccommend you attempt to overclock like this unless you really really want to see what a game looks like on a higher setting for a while. As for that 7950.. The Geforce 7950 is equivilant to a pair of base 7900s glue together in pre-prepared SLI. Your motherboard actually has to be capable of SLI to support a 7950. However, if you were to take two separate 7900GT cards, and SLI them, you'd be above and beyond the 7950. The 7950 is cheaper than two 7900s. I'll add in a better comparison of ATI and nVidia later when I get home, maybe with some visual aids, screenshots and so on. _______________ -Kauyon Draconis [Official master of Ataris] This comment was edited by Esta on Oct 11 2006 08:24am. |
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monkai - Student |
man the geforce 7950 looks pretty much insane This comment was edited by monkai on Oct 11 2006 05:35am. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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And if it means anything to you, Dynamic Glow in JKA works FAR better with nVidia cards than with ATI ones...  or did they fix that yet? haven't updated my ATI driver recently. _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Nvidia has a really good reputation nowadays. Don't let lack of familiarity with current cards be an obstacle. I switched, and it was painless.  This comment was edited by Kenyon on Oct 10 2006 03:33pm. |
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SaZ - Student 
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well the only nvidia cards i had in my life were rivatnt2 and geforce 3 ti200. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance
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Quote: x600xt... its still in my PC... just not working properly etc Cool. As I said, I'm not sure about the x1300Pro outperforming the x600xt. I suppose they're almost evenly matched. The 7300GT will probably outrun it, though. And if you like messing with the cards a bit by software overclocking (Rivatuner), this may be a dealbreaker: the X1300 Pro operates at higher frequencies with lesser pipelines, but the 7300GT can actually overclock to reach some amazing speeds because it shares the core with the 7600 series, so the actual limit is way higher. If you don't like to overclock, ignore what I just said. Question - have you ever tried Nvidia cards? BTW: Don't let my 7300GT rambling get to you. If you have your eyes set on the x1300Pro, go for it, it'll probably be worth your while. Even in budget gaming, it's worthwhile having a look around.  |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: What was your old card? x600xt... its still in my PC... just not working properly etc _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance
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What was your old card? |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: i <3 u kauyon That's cool! I'm Kenyon btw. Quote: How good is x1300 pro compared to x600xt? I'm not sure. Generally a low-end card of a newer generation is almost equal to a mid-end card of a previous one, but there are exceptions. I know the x600xt can play Doom 3 in certain situations. AFAIK, the x600xt is based upon ATI's RV380 chip. That's what the 9600XT was based on. The x1300 Pro is based on newer technology but clocked somewhat lower. I'm afraid that'll come down to number crunching. I ordered a 7300GT today and will receive it by the end of the week. I'll let you know how it runs if you're still interested in the Nvidia cards! gah sorry. hmmmm yeah please tell me how good it is. because ill buy a new video card (my old one is bugged) and i want the new one to be atleast a bit better. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance
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Quote: i <3 u kauyon That's cool! I'm Kenyon btw. Quote: How good is x1300 pro compared to x600xt? I'm not sure. Generally a low-end card of a newer generation is almost equal to a mid-end card of a previous one, but there are exceptions. I know the x600xt can play Doom 3 in certain situations. AFAIK, the x600xt is based upon ATI's RV380 chip. That's what the 9600XT was based on. The x1300 Pro is based on newer technology but clocked somewhat lower. I'm afraid that'll come down to number crunching. I ordered a 7300GT today and will receive it by the end of the week. I'll let you know how it runs if you're still interested in the Nvidia cards! |
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SaZ - Student
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i <3 u kauyon but i still have a question. how good is x1300 pro compared to x600xt ? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance
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Quote: how exactly good is the x1300pro? It'll run a lot of 2004/2005 games at 1024 x 768 and some at 1280 x 1024 fluently. Don't expect too much in the way of eye candy though. On the other hand, if you can save up just a bit more - the 7300GT is really the best low end card out there. A lot of companies have released the 7300GT with an overclocked system core out of the box, getting the performance quite near a 7600GS, which is a mid-range. A 7300GT, which goes for about €85, can run games like F.E.A.R, Quake 4 and Doom 3 at 1280 x 1024 adequately even with some eye candy turned on. That's extremely impressive for a low budget card. On OpenGL games such as Q4 and D3, it'll run almost 50% faster than a X1300Pro. The ATI card doesn't have the same advantadge in DirectX territory anymore, so that easily makes the GeForce 7300GT a better card. It's up to you how much you want to spend, of course - but the GT version offers the most bang for your buck on a low budget. If you're really fixed on either the 7300GS or a ATI X1300Pro, like I said, go for the ATI. The 7300GS is hugely limited its 64 bit memory interface. The choice you really have to make is: how much would I want to spend? |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: AGP = Geforce 6200 (~50€) PCI-E = Radeon x1300Pro / Geforce 7300GS If you're PCI-E, go for the Radeon x1300Pro. I'm a big Nvidia fan, but the x1300Pro blows the 7300GS out of the water and they're almost the same price. how exactly good is the x1300pro? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance
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Quote: radeon 1900xt krew represent Respect! Of course, you spent a bit more money on it. I think the following should convince anyone to go for the ATI card in this comparison: Quote: The Radeon X1300 Pro is certainly much faster than the GeForce 7300GS as it proved in the real-world benchmarks. Sadly, the 64-bit memory bus of the GeForce 7300GS limited its performance quite severely. This is really the old limitation of the card, had NVIDIA gone with a 128-bit memory controller this GPU would have been far more impressive. This latest generation of graphic cores has been crippled a number of times by limited memory buses. The Radeon X1600XT is another perfect example, unable to compete with the 6800GS due to a 128-bit memory bus. This really hurt the GeForce 7300GS, making it more than 50% slower than the Radeon X1300 Pro in some tests. The 1024x768 results with No AA/AF enabled saw the Radeon X1300 Pro 28% faster in Far Cry, 16% faster in FEAR, 17% faster in UT2004 and 18% slower in UT2004. The 4xAA/8xAF margins were even bigger, for example the GeForce 7300GS was 55% slower in UT2004 once the AA/AF quality settings were enabled. These margins allowed the Radeon X1300 Pro to deliver playable performance with slightly higher quality settings enabled, where as the GeForce 7300GS could not. Source: Legion Hardware. EDIT: It's worth pointing out, though, that the 7300GS is generally regarded as a bit of a misstep for Nvidia. For about 20 bucks more you can buy a 7300GT - and that'll kick the X1300Pro out of the water. This comment was edited by Kenyon on Oct 08 2006 09:34pm. |
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Rinzler - Student 
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radeon 1900xt krew represent _______________ I fite for teh usars!1 |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance
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Quote: AGP = Geforce 6200 (~50€) PCI-E = Radeon x1300Pro / Geforce 7300GS If you're PCI-E, go for the Radeon x1300Pro. I'm a big Nvidia fan, but the x1300Pro blows the 7300GS out of the water and they're almost the same price. |
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Vision - Jedi Knight 
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I'm not sure how it is with Radeon but there should be some sort of temperature messure in your control panel (atleast there is in the nVidia one). If you can't find it try using a program like EVEREST Home Edition. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: Are you sure your card isn't just overheating? Most have a failsafe that turns them off when they do. This'd also explain why underclocking it works. i dont know... i dont even know why it should overheat... hmmm i have x600xt one atm . _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Sep 11 2006 07:48pm. |
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Vision - Jedi Knight
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Quote: AGP = Geforce 6200 (~50€) PCI-E = Radeon x1300Pro / Geforce 7300GS ...and i'd really recommend buying an even cheaper card, and saving your cash for the upcoming dx10 cards instead. Ah forgot about that. Best option indeed. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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AGP = Geforce 6200 (~50€) PCI-E = Radeon x1300Pro / Geforce 7300GS ...and i'd really recommend buying an even cheaper card, and saving your cash for the upcoming dx10 cards instead. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Vision - Jedi Knight
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Which card do you have atm btw? |
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Esta - Student 
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Are you sure your card isn't just overheating? Most have a failsafe that turns them off when they do. This'd also explain why underclocking it works. _______________ -Kauyon Draconis [Official master of Ataris] |
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SaZ - Student
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well the problem is i dont have too much money in my pocket... and my PC is starting to be weird really. liek some time ago i had a problem with monitor turning off. i realised that this is my video card problem due to some tests (crappy game lasts longer than a fps demanding one). i fixed that by underclocking it. now a lot of times when i boot my pc , monitor turns off before i can underclock it (for some reason underclocking settings doesnt save so i have to reset them everytime i boot my pc). so it looks like my video card is starting to get worse and worse with every day :/ _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Vision - Jedi Knight 
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Hmm. My tip would be to stack up some more, you definitly can't get a fairly good game-card for 60€. The best thing you could get is propobly a AGP GeForce 6600. I found one for 70€ on amazon. But it's not even enough for playing today's games with good fps. This comment was edited by Vision on Sep 11 2006 02:32pm. |
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Esta - Student
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Question - AGP or PCI-E? ...and I seriously think you should be doubling that spending money if you're looking for a noticable improvement in performance. The best you're looking at for 60euros is a mere ATI Radeon 9550, which, tbh, is terrible by today's standards. _______________ -Kauyon Draconis [Official master of Ataris] |
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