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Human Cloning: Playing God
Jan 01 2007 12:26am

Luke
 - ex-Student
Luke
Human Cloning: Playing God Lucas Ammons
Dr. Jenkinson
English Fundamentals
27 November 2006

The year is 2016; a boy’s parents wait nervously in the waiting room of a hospital. Because of kidney dialysis the boy is dying. The doctor’s can not use a kidney from the boy’s mom your dad, because they are both smokers, and the family has a history of smoking. A kidney could be taken from a healthy donor, but the boy’s body could reject the organ. The only option now is to take a hair, skin, or blood sample from the boy to create a clone. Certain ethical issues need to be addressed before human cloning should even be attempted though, if ever.
I will endeavor explain the different types of cloning, to persuade the reader and or readers that human cloning is the sinful pride of mankind’s ego. That human cloning is nothing than another term for premeditated murder/aborting a baby. Also I plan to prove human cloning could used diminish genetic purity.
There are three main types of cloning: therapeutic cloning, reproductive cloning, and embryo cloning. Therapeutic cloning is according to Wikipedia; an online dictionary, defined as research cloning. Reproductive cloning is the process extracting stem cells; the cells of an unborn baby that can be turned into any type of cell, be it a muscle cell, brain cell, bone cell etc. Embryo cloning is the process of cloning is the process of taking the same nuclear DNA as another currently or previously existing organism, to create another; twin babies are example of this natural cloning. This information was sighted from Religious Torelance.org.
Liberals thinks that human cloning should be legal because human cloning would be “beneficial” due to the fact that a person with spinal injury could be cured if the use of stem cells would allowed. What those people don’t realize is that they are killing a baby by taking the embryo’s stem cells. Human cloning is another way of saying abortion because in order to make a clone its deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) must be put into a cell that has had its DNA removed, killing the cell, then the DNA of the organism to be cloned is inserted into the now empty cell. A jolt of electricity is then given to the cell; cell division is the result of that.
Liberals say that human cloning should go ahead because animal cloning, as with Dolly the sheep has been a complete success, this is wishful thinking on their part because they’ve failed to see, or just ignored the setbacks animal cloning has sustained. The death of a cloned Asian guar calf also known as a Pyrenean Ibex acquired just days after it was cloned, in 2000. Certain animals such as dogs, horses, monkeys ,and chickens that cloned are resist to systemic nuclear transfer; DNA is taken from a cell, then DNA from another cell is placed in that cell. Ninety percent of cloning attempts fail one hundred nuclear transfers could be needed to create one clone. Cloned animals have been shown to have certain disorders such as high numbers of infection, growth of tumors, and decreased immune function. The utter failure of cloning living species has also been matched by the failure to clone extinct species, such as the woolly mammoth, because the DNA of the mammoth has degraded.
The last reasons human cloning should not be attempted is because genetic purity, by I mean human offspring born of two parents that have different genotypes (genetic traits) and different phenotypes (physical traits) would not brake down the human genome because new genetic material would be introduced, but cloning would cause genetic brake down because of the same DNA would be used over and over again. Information found on website Cloning fact sheet. Cloning is not the only way genetic brake down can occur unfortunly. For centuries the royal families of Europe; Hapsburgs, Romovs etc. were all relatives, by marriage or birth. As a result of this however that was if one family line had a disease that disease could easily spread.
Lastly God created the heavens and the earth, and all the animals and plants that inhabit the earth, but his greatest creation was Adam and Eve, first man and women on Earth. “The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, the man became a living being” (Genesis 2:7) God designed everything in the universe, and who we to think we are better then him, If god wanted cloning to exist he would have made us all (humans) clones.

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Jan 18 2007 06:02pm

Menaxia
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 Menaxia

You are not being humble if you are adamant that you are right and insisting that all other views are incorrect. Especially when your arguments do not have sufficient support.

All anyone is saying to you is - please research your points before you explode about them, and be open to other peoples' point of view regardless of whether you agree or not. Then you have no need to explain and/or justify yourself afterwards.
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Jan 18 2007 09:36am

Masta
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 Masta

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Doesnt make your opinion right, and a emotion fueled opinion often is misleading
I agree.

From my experience, opinions tend to be of greater intellectual quality when supported by rationality instead of emotional outbursts.
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Jan 18 2007 07:40am

Monteeeeeee
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 Monteeeeeee

Doesnt make your opinion right, and a emotion fueled opinion often is misleading
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Jan 18 2007 12:56am

Luke
 - Ex-Student
 Luke

Maybe the reason so strongly about this is because:

1. becuae of my C.P. ( which I born with) has humbled me.
2. staring death in the face twice
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Jan 16 2007 04:48am

{JF}Jesse
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Yea, cloning is not the same as abortion. Clearly these are both extremely complicated issues. I don't support cloning because it just seems like a loss of individuality to me. I don't have any religious reasons for this or anything like that....it just doesn't feel right to me. As for abortion I support it, but I understand both sides of the argument. Personally I think there may be no correct moral stance on it. You can't expect a raped woman to carry an unwanted child and care for it....that's a lifetime commitment. And yet some people believe abortion is the equivalent of murder. Neither choice is ideal.

And like Menaxia and Monty said, God should not be used as factual evidence for an argument seeing as how the very existence of God is in question. There isn't any solid evidence that he exists or that he does not exist. There's really only one way to find out if god exists and unfortunately that is death.

Kind of depressing if you ask me...so on a lighter, finishing note....in honor of my 20th birthday I have been growing some facial hair as something of an initiation right and I must say......I look gud.

This comment was edited by {JF}Jesse on Jan 16 2007 04:49am.

Jan 15 2007 11:55pm

Everon
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 Everon

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/me thinks of flying spaghetti monsters and Richard Dawkins...


I was thinking more on the lines of the house of flying daggers :).

-Zeke.

Jan 15 2007 06:22pm

Menaxia
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 Menaxia

Luke - I'm sorry to say that it seems to be only you who is missing the point here. You don't seem to be able to accept that other people have different views to yours.
You cannot just impose them on other people and expect them to say OMG YES YOUR RIGHT!

You have not researched your science thoroughly, your philosophy is fatally flawed and I'm sure you have very little experience in matters of rape.

If you wish to change peoples' opinions through the strength of your argument, you must know what you are talking about and leave God out of it (unless you're in the Bible study thread). As Monty said - not everyone believes in God and to use him as your justification is flimsy at best.

/me thinks of flying spaghetti monsters and Richard Dawkins...
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Jan 15 2007 05:39pm

Lirael
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 Lirael

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve missed your point. Obviously you’ve missed everybody’s point that abortion and cloning are different in procedure. This is FACT. Yet you continue to insist that your SUBJECTIVE UNFALSIFIABLE OPINION is ultimately right and you insist on expressing your opinion in a blunt and sometimes offensive manner.

These are very sensitive issues. No-one is saying that every woman pregnant resulting from a rape SHOULD abort the foetus; it doesn’t make sense to make such absolute statements in complex issues like these. In the same way you would benefit from realising these two issues (which you confuse) are not black and white. Saying that pregnancies resulting from rapes SHOULD NEVER be aborted is, just as the reverse statement, an oversimplification of the situation which suggests an immature or narrow mind. Most people are suggesting that the choice should be open to women who find themselves in this situation. Unlike you they are not prescribing what this choice should be.

It is perfectly possible to accept the scientific facts about these two separate issues of cloning and abortion without denying your religious conviction. Indeed you need to research into the facts about the technicalities as you seem to be lacking an understanding of the differences between abortion and cloning. Upon this understanding you can then apply your religious views, but not until then.

You claim – arguably – that the consequence is the same thus the actions are equitable which is not a tenable position.

Please note that it is possible, and preferable to have a discussion on a serious topic without divulging religious views. I haven’t given my own opinion here on the topic so please don’t make assumptions as to where I stand on the issue. If you read and understand just one thing from this post, let it be this:

You can debate scientific facts only with scientific facts and you can debate religious issues only in terms of doctrine and religious conviction.

Only once you have grasped this will you see that there is more to these issues than you give them credit.

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This comment was edited by Lirael on Jan 15 2007 05:41pm.

Jan 15 2007 10:01am

Sho Koon
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 Sho Koon

I pretty much have to agree with Zeke.
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Jan 15 2007 08:28am

Esta
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 Esta

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Having a abortion is geneocide due to the fact that a entire generation of new borns has been killed thanks to abortion.


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As for the guy that committed the dead, he should have testicles removed with a dull bladed knife, and no pain killers.


...mildly hypocritical.

Also, the topic is slowly moving off-subject.
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Jan 15 2007 07:31am

Everon
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I think you guys and gals are missing the point, God created each and everyone of us, in his image. life is his greatest gift. many people think abortion is justified because a girl got rapped, No it is not. Having a abortion is geneocide due to the fact that a entire generation of new borns has been killed thanks to abortion.


I know a few people who did in fact get raped and I had the misfortune to find out a girlfriend had at one time. She was all over the place and it was almost two years ago.

I don't suppose you know what rape does to a women psychologically do you? How it hurts and the many emotions that are inflicted and permanent mental scars that are left behind.

Don't you dare go round saying raped women shouldn't abort for this "Next Generation" as it isn't justified. The women has gone through enough pain.

Personally you have disgusted me with your comment on that and I would like to see this thread fall in to the abyss.

-Zeke.

Jan 14 2007 09:31pm

Monteeeeeee
 - Nugget
 Monteeeeeee

Do you have any god damn idea how traumatized women are after rape... you no have clue if your saying they should raise the baby with love and care. Most of the time just looking at the baby will bring a flashback to the rape, having an abortion in such a case is not a bad thing but is a personal choice by the women involved, rape has no concent, which meaning she wasnt exactly wanting a baby.

A child is usually a joint decision between 2 people in a relationship, not an act of rape.

If your going to write something like this make sure when your expressing your own opinion you make it clear its your own, not everyone believes in god so make that clear aswell or stay away from personal and relgious aspects of the subject.

Rapists get a little time in prison while the victim is scared for life..
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Jan 14 2007 09:18pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

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I think you guys and gals are missing the point, God created each and everyone of us, in his image. life is his greatest gift. many people think abortion is justified because a girl got rapped, No it is not. Having a abortion is geneocide due to the fact that a entire generation of new borns has been killed thanks to abortion. Human cloning is abortion. I think the girl that got rapped should have care and raise that baby that is the result of the rape. As for the guy that committed the dead, he should have testicles removed with a dull bladed knife, and no pain killers. Just to make sure rapesists think twice, make the castration a publicily televised event.


You are extremely wrong Luke. Abortion and cloning are separate issues. There are ethical questions to both and I don't agree with either of them. However the method of cloning is not an abortion. Everyone else her is correct in their statements. That egg, that has its dna removed is a cell. Before it had its dna removed it is still just a cell. It is a part of the body it came from. through that entire existence of that egg cell it will only remain an egg cell. Almost every single egg cell that has ever existed has never been combined with a sperm. And until that does happen that egg won't change. And once its out of the female body it is basically useless anyways. It won't combine with sperm there to form a human unless other steps are taken which you would likely be religiously opposed to anyways.

An egg cell having its dna removed is no more of an abortion than studying cells taken from your cheek.
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Jan 14 2007 08:27pm

Luke
 - Ex-Student
 Luke

I think you guys and gals are missing the point, God created each and everyone of us, in his image. life is his greatest gift. many people think abortion is justified because a girl got rapped, No it is not. Having a abortion is geneocide due to the fact that a entire generation of new borns has been killed thanks to abortion. Human cloning is abortion. I think the girl that got rapped should have care and raise that baby that is the result of the rape. As for the guy that committed the dead, he should have testicles removed with a dull bladed knife, and no pain killers. Just to make sure rapesists think twice, make the castration a publicily televised event.
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Jan 14 2007 03:16am

Kamidake Kenji
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 Kamidake Kenji

Oooh here we go. *Dives into a bunker and activates ballistics shielding system and sticks up a sign saying: "Will shelter 4 free!" and watches the sparks fly*

:eek:
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Jan 13 2007 12:46am

Everon
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 Everon

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Yes human cloning, because a human egg cell must be stripped of orignal deoxyrionucleic acid ,and new genetic material introduced. congrats by helping create a unatural clone, you've comitted murder.
So you are saying that the dismantlement of an unfertilized egg during the somatic cell nuclear transfer equals murder?

You know, that's like saying you commit mass genocide each time you masturbate.


That is one of the funniest things I've heard all month, congrats Masta on making me laugh when I'm down :).

-Zeke.

Jan 12 2007 11:43pm

Menaxia
 - Student
 Menaxia

Nothing at all...


:empire:
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Jan 12 2007 07:25pm

Monteeeeeee
 - Nugget
 Monteeeeeee

:confused: hmm whats masturbate mean :confused:

:D
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This comment was edited by Monteeeeeee on Jan 12 2007 07:25pm.

Jan 12 2007 05:21pm

Menaxia
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 Menaxia

Masta, that is the most sensible post I have seen on this thread.
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Jan 11 2007 03:51pm

Masta
 - Jedi Council
 Masta

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Yes human cloning, because a human egg cell must be stripped of orignal deoxyrionucleic acid ,and new genetic material introduced. congrats by helping create a unatural clone, you've comitted murder.
So you are saying that the dismantlement of an unfertilized egg during the somatic cell nuclear transfer equals murder?

You know, that's like saying you commit mass genocide each time you masturbate.
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Jan 11 2007 11:01am

Raziel Anjelis
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 Raziel Anjelis

*puts on suit preparing for sudden fires and temperatures in the high 80s*
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Jan 11 2007 04:49am

Luke
 - Ex-Student
 Luke

Yes human cloning, because a human egg cell must be stripped of orignal deoxyrionucleic acid ,and new genetic material introduced. congrats by helping create a unatural clone, you've comitted murder. I know what your going to say, there are thousands of eggs which could be used for the cloning process. True, but stop to consider that we where designed this way as to increase are chances of survival.
There are alternitives to cloning, cybernetics, gene altering, nanotechnology, to name a few.
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This comment was edited by Luke on Jan 11 2007 04:57am.

Jan 11 2007 12:24am

Raziel Anjelis
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 Raziel Anjelis

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So let's say I became president. Is it wrong for me to create a GRAND ARMY of the REPUBLIC to counter the increasing threats of the separatists?:D


LOL. Knew that'd be coming somewhere :P
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Jan 10 2007 11:00am

cHoSeN oNe
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 cHoSeN oNe

So let's say I became president. Is it wrong for me to create a GRAND ARMY of the REPUBLIC to counter the increasing threats of the separatists?:D
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Jan 07 2007 09:54am

Buzz
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 Buzz

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accuracy of scientific entries


My first statement.

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When dealing with scientific data, and mathematical information its been determined to be about as valid as an actual encyclopedia. But that's the only time.


Using an encyclopedia also seems to fall out of favor with the teachers I had at about the 8th grade. Either discouraged or flat out told not to use them.
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This comment was edited by Buzz on Jan 07 2007 10:03am.

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