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Possibly some minor spoliers in the review, though I haven't had any complaints yet. Just a warning.
Spider-man 3, though not nearly as good as the second, is not as bad as it's getting made out to be. As far as the film it's self goes (excluding how true it was to the comic, that is), the movie was right on. It may have been slightly pasted together at points, and some parts may have been tacked on for no real reason, but the movie succeeds on most levels. Most notably the amazing CG, and the characters Flint Marko and Harry Osborn. First of all, the CG in this movie was noticeably better than the second, which in turn makes it near incomparable to the poor CG in the first film. This movie actually makes it difficult to tell when Spider-man is and isn't a CG creation. Also, despite the numerous complaints I've heard about Venom (and rightfully so) the character looked great. However, here was the show stealer that I call the Sandman. Everytime Marko was on screen, whether completely or only partially in sand form, he looked completely believable. Well, as believable as a man made out of sand can be, really. Though the Sandman was my favorite character, it was very close with Harry Osborn. James Franco played what can only be described as two separate roles. One being the fun-loving friend of Peter Parker and Mary Jane, and the other the sadistic killer bent on Spidey's destruction. Shockingly, he did excellently. I have never been a big fan of James Franco, but I was very pleasantly surprised as to how well he actually did. Having said that, I do have my problems, or rather problem, with the new Green Goblin: his suit. It's ridiculous. It looks like something out of a cheesy sci-fi flick. The Green Goblin suddenly wears black? It make no sense. The Sandman, Goblin, and Spider-man are just three of the numerous characters in this flick. Possibly too many. Others of importance include Venom, Mary Jane, Gwen Stacey, and surprisingly Dr. Connors. With all these characters, it's obvious that this movie has a lot going on. Possibly too much. There is so much infact that he seems pasted together at times. The scenes don't always mesh well because of how many separate plot lines there are at once. However, this is a minor complaint at most, mostly because this problem isn't always around. Sometimes Raimi manages to tie the plot lines together amazingly. I'd like to get back to the characters now though. As aforementioned there are way too many main characters in this flick, and some had no real reason to be there. Most notably are Venom and Gwen Stacey. Sam Raimi has said himself that he had no intention of putting Venom into this movie, but Sony demanded that the fan favorite be added in last minute to help fill seats. Nearly all scenes involving Venom seem to be just tacked on, and only there to please fan boys. Which, somewhat ironically, I highly doubt it actually did, considering what ends up happening to the well known villain. Now on to what everyone really hated about this movie, and that is now truthful it was to the comic. It wasn't, not at all really. The Green Goblin wore black, Eddie Brock's character was revamped, the Sandman was altered completely (this is arguably the biggest change, but I think it worked to the movie's advantage), and there were also some significant changes to Harry Osborn's character aside from the suit. Some of these changes still referenced what happened in the comic book, and were only minor alterations. For instance the Goblin character and his redemption. However, the movie also decided to make the petty criminal Flint Marko a man who only did these crimes in an attempt to save his dying daughter. Despite Marko not having a daughter in the comics, and just generally being a bad person. Then there is Venom. I won't ruin what they changed with him (aside from the obvious things like Brock not being much older than Peter and completely ripped), but when you see the movie, you will know. Now that we have covered all my likes and dislikes with the supporting character, I'd like to move onto the title character. Spider-man (both traditional and black suit) was great. You all know how Spidey acts with his traditional suit; however, it's a very nice surprise when you see how cocky he acts when the symbiote takes him over. He seems to be out for blood at all times, and participates in the movies greatest action/fight sequence with Harry Osborn during this time. When Spider-man finally does defeat the symbiote, and begins to make things right, it really does make the audience feel good. Speaking of which, this movie has a few feel good scenes, the most notable involves the Goblin, which I won't go into as I don't want to spoil anything. All in all, Spidey does a good job of satisfying the audience, though he will leave some fan boys ranting and raving. I was one of them. At first, I gave this flick a big thumbs down. However, after sleeping on it, and thinking back, I'm going to reverse my judgement and give it a thumbs up. I'd recommend it to all audiences, and remind the fan boys of Spider-man that Spider-man movies are a separate continuity from the comic book and cartoons. This post was edited by Hardwired on May 10 2007 01:30am. |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Good film although i felt it didn't handle the long length as well as some similarly long films - it dragged a bit. Certainly went for the whole redemption/forgiveness theme.
Oh and evil parker is hilarious, such a sleeze. Me and my friend were laughing our heads off when he was walking down that street.  The 400 people in the cinema I was at ALSO laughed.  |
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Good film although i felt it didn't handle the long length as well as some similarly long films - it dragged a bit. Certainly went for the whole redemption/forgiveness theme.
Oh and evil parker is hilarious, such a sleeze. Me and my friend were laughing our heads off when he was walking down that street. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Quote: Pretty nice collection there man. I don't quite have the wallet for that stuff right now. Maybe when I get a little more established in life, but it's hard to afford stuff like that in college, haha. I used to buy when I was younger, but now I just download comic book torrents. Currently downloading 4.9 gigs of The Amazing Spider-man #1-#535.
I am tempted to buy the World War Hulk comics though, that should be great. Anyway, back on topic, Sandman = best character in the movie. I demand to know where you acquire these massive downloads of sexual pleasure! |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Quote: Pretty nice collection there man. I don't quite have the wallet for that stuff right now. Maybe when I get a little more established in life, but it's hard to afford stuff like that in college, haha. I used to buy when I was younger, but now I just download comic book torrents. Currently downloading 4.9 gigs of The Amazing Spider-man #1-#535.
I am tempted to buy the World War Hulk comics though, that should be great. Anyway, back on topic, Sandman = best character in the movie. dont share your illegal activities with us! we dont allow such things! now vamooooooooooosh from this place with your evil deeds _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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House - Student 
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Pretty nice collection there man. I don't quite have the wallet for that stuff right now. Maybe when I get a little more established in life, but it's hard to afford stuff like that in college, haha. I used to buy when I was younger, but now I just download comic book torrents. Currently downloading 4.9 gigs of The Amazing Spider-man #1-#535.
I am tempted to buy the World War Hulk comics though, that should be great. Anyway, back on topic, Sandman = best character in the movie. |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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Quote: +5 Informative.
You shouldn't have to apologize for your nerdiness. Now let's have babies. Thank ya good sir. I am quite fertile and more than willing to spawn demon children with you. I actually have the issue of Secret Wars where Spidey gets the black costume. Bought it for $10 at my local comic shop when I was 9 years old. Other important comics I have, The Amazing Spider-Man #13: First appearance of Mysterio Ghostrider issue #1 The Amazing Spider-Man #122: Death of Green Goblin The Amazing Spider-Man #129: First appearance of The Punisher ...and my most important comic... The Incredible Hulk #181: First appearance of Wolverine I got a few other mildly important comics lying around but those are the goodies. I would love to sell em but I probably never will. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep This comment was edited by Ash on May 07 2007 03:29am. |
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House - Student
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Well Peter did originally have webshooters, but htey just adapted that portion to the new age Spider-man. After he got turned into the Man-Spider and then back to regular Spider-man, he got stronger and able to create actual web.
I do completely agree that the comics are a seperate continuity, whcih can be seen in my review, however, GREEN Goblin. It's right there in the name GREEN. lol. As for the info on the suit, you're pretty much on. I wish they would have used to cartoon prospective though, seeing as they introduced his son in number two. |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Quote: main post doesn't mention the hobgoblin
From the main post... Quote: The Green Goblin wore black
Yeah, I meant green goblin, not hobgoblin. Same difference, hehe. But yeah, you know how it is with comic book movies. It's not really a movie about the comics or whatever, but rather an interpretation about the basic story of the hero. Some facts are changed, for example Spiderman's web ability being natural and not his web shootin' wrist gizmos. They also took liberties with the Sandman (Quite a few!), too. But yeah, I guess what im trying to say is that from my perspective, Harry Osbourne is still Harry Osbourne, whether he's on a glider and in a ninja suit or not. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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I was kind of disappointed about the meteor thing. I'd have liked to have seen the shuttle crash on that bridge and stuff, like in the comics. oh well!
Actually in the comics Spider-Man recieves the black costume at the end of Secret Wars. He was trying to use a machine to repair his costume after his was torn apart and instead he used an alien device that gave him the symbiote. His black costume design supposedly came about because he was thinking about Spider-Woman when the suit connected to him. Hence the darker and simpler theme. The Spider-Man cartoon had the symboite come from space when J. Johnah Jamerson's astronaut son crashed his shuttle. And in Ultimate Spider-Man the symbiote came about from a failed experiment to cure cancer. Sorry for my nerdiness. And if I am wrong in any of this than don't correct me becuase then you will be nerdier than me. +5 Informative. You shouldn't have to apologize for your nerdiness. Now let's have babies. _______________ make install -not war |
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Buzz - Student 
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main post doesn't mention the hobgoblin _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Quote: venom was sooooooooooooooooooooooo mis cast
Topher Grace should have been Peter Parker, btw.  |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Quote: then why did you mention the hobgoblin?
I don't think Harry was really a split personality either. Its more of a traumatically induced amnesia than a split. See the main post of this threat, silly. I'm actually silly, Harry wasn't the Hobgoblin, that was someone else, I believe. Harry was the new Green Goblin or whatever, according to the Marvel website.
But yeah, I got mixed up, my bad Ash.
The Ultimate Spiderman idea is pretty cool though. I loved the Ultimate Spiderman game. |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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Quote: I was kind of disappointed about the meteor thing. I'd have liked to have seen the shuttle crash on that bridge and stuff, like in the comics. oh well!
Actually in the comics Spider-Man recieves the black costume at the end of Secret Wars. He was trying to use a machine to repair his costume after his was torn apart and instead he used an alien device that gave him the symbiote. His black costume design supposedly came about because he was thinking about Spider-Woman when the suit connected to him. Hence the darker and simpler theme. The Spider-Man cartoon had the symboite come from space when J. Johnah Jamerson's astronaut son crashed his shuttle. And in Ultimate Spider-Man the symbiote came about from a failed experiment to cure cancer. Sorry for my nerdiness. And if I am wrong in any of this than don't correct me becuase then you will be nerdier than me. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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venom was sooooooooooooooooooooooo mis cast _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Buzz - Student 
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then why did you mention the hobgoblin?
I don't think Harry was really a split personality either. Its more of a traumatically induced amnesia than a split. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Quote: Credits list the character as New Goblin/Harry.
So? That's not Green Goblin, or Hobgoblin. A totally original character, innit! I was kind of disappointed about the meteor thing. I'd have liked to have seen the shuttle crash on that bridge and stuff, like in the comics. oh well! |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: Credits list the character as New Goblin/Harry.
Saaadddd j/k XD _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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House - Student 
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Well I can understand him not using the exact same suit, but in the comics he IS the Green Goblin (harry that is) so he should have at least looked similar to his father. He was also the epitome of a split personality in this movie; it was just trauma induced rather than drug. |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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I thought there was too much... well, cheese. People were actually laughing at the so-called "sad" parts. And I don't blame them, it all seemed very very silly. I liked S2 better. _______________ make install -not war |
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Buzz - Student
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Credits list the character as New Goblin/Harry. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Nobody said Harry was the Hobgoblin. He just happened to use his old man's technology, y'know? So neh!
Really liked this movie, though! I hear people whining about it, but come on folks; it's a superhero movie. It's FUN! Venom was cool, though. I hear the fella who directed it said that there probably *will* be a 4th movie, about one of the characters who "died". My bet is on the symbiote, with either a return of Venom, or the introduction of Carnage.  |
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Buzz - Student
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probably would have been a lot better had they utilized venom's creation to set up for a fourth movie. I actually liked the new goblin helmet used. It makes a lot more sense for harry not to use a full green goblin mask since his personality wasn't split like his father's. Not a need to differentiate the alter ego. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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I'll probably see it although from what i've heard i'm not sure it will be as good as S:2.  _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Flugel - Student 
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I saw it, and I think it was the best of the series. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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good review! gunna see it within the next few weeks _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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