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planK - Jedi Council  |
Finally, they found something it camouflages you against! This post was edited by Hardwired on May 10 2007 04:41am. |
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Rinzler - Student 
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lawl, i want some standard issue tartan camo, for old peoples houses. _______________ I fite for teh usars!1 |
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Sten Yuseph - Student 
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Yeah, it is a shame. I don't like the way our military is heading at all.
It's like the left and right hands are busy trying to overpower the other while they completely ignore the legs that keep them up so high. I know what it's like to be a grunt, not as much as my more experienced friends since my discharge, but we count on our officers to get things done as much as they do with us. But when things like this start happening...well, people get pee'd off. (Too keep things rated E here). It's all about money and image it seems these days. We can't take five steps without a Captain running around wondering if it would look good on TV or not. And with the tattoos and body armor? What the hell are they thinking? Like that dragon skin armor. It's dozens of times more effective than standard issue vests with a single ceramic plate. (Dragon skin has layers of overlapping ceramic disks that can distribute damage in a way to make them extremely durable). But they don't let soldiers buy them because they are 'uncertified for use in the field'. Most think this is to keep money pouring in to the other subsidiaries that produce the standard issue armor. I wish people would wise up and realize this isn't about money, it's about letting us do our job as safe as possible. _______________ - Sten Yuseph |
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Buzz - Student 
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Fair enough thanks for the explanation.
also: Quote: Most see it as a way to save money but, well. I could go on forever about things I disagree with in the military's brass.
Such as banning tattoos, not letting soldiers use body armor available in the civilian sector and other things That's very true. Not really a surprising thing for the military command to shoot themselves in the foot on their inability to move forward fast enough. There's currently talk about shutting down blogs and e-mail for military servicemen. And I bet someone is going to read that and think "well that's just the Bush adminstration trying to silence the military soldiers from criticizing the war." That's of course the wrong statement. And Bush isn't involved. Its Army regulation about concerns of posting sensitive or critical information on a publically accessible location. And that's a shame since military blogs are one of the few places you can read on progress being made, since positive news doesn't seem to generate attention. Afterall soldiers wanting to finish the job just isn't news _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Sten Yuseph - Student
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MARPAT is great though, especially when it's dark out. I remember pulling exterior guard one day in the marines, and I scared the crap out of almost everyone who I had to stop and check ID for.
a universal camo scheme is impossible though, unless we get some crazy active camo device. and i know how camo works, btw. _______________ - Sten Yuseph |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Quote: The application of camo isn't just throwing it on and expecting to be invisable. There are many steps to take to maintain the element of remaining unnoticed, and you are never 100% 'gone'.
But the army ACU is pretty bad in woodland environments, like Plankcore mentioned with airsoft. I paintball in the woods, which is pretty much in the same league as airsoft, and we make use of a lotta camo. People in ACU always stand out because of how bright their gear is against the relatively darker woodland environment. In 'concrete jungle' and snowy environments, the ACU is actually pretty effective. But not much else, making it a pretty bad choice for something meant to be 'universal'. Im glad i still have my MARPAT tetris gear to play with  . The whole idea of digital pattern camo is that it disrupts your actualy figure, making it easier for you to camoflauge yourself. With that said, the ACU pattern achieves that, but it only achieves it in situations rarely, if ever, faced by US soldiers nowadays. The concept of a multipurpose battle-dress is completely ruined by the fact that they've tried to achieve so much with one uniform. I remember reading a quote from a soldier who said "It's multi-purpose camoflauge; It doesn't camoflauge you against anything!" which sounds about right.
I still swear that the best stuff out there is the 2000DPM that the British Army use, ESPECIALLY the desert variety. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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That's a very ugly couch, anyway. _______________ make install -not war |
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Sten Yuseph - Student 
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The application of camo isn't just throwing it on and expecting to be invisable. There are many steps to take to maintain the element of remaining unnoticed, and you are never 100% 'gone'.
But the army ACU is pretty bad in woodland environments, like Plankcore mentioned with airsoft. I paintball in the woods, which is pretty much in the same league as airsoft, and we make use of a lotta camo. People in ACU always stand out because of how bright their gear is against the relatively darker woodland environment. In 'concrete jungle' and snowy environments, the ACU is actually pretty effective. But not much else, making it a pretty bad choice for something meant to be 'universal'. Im glad i still have my MARPAT tetris gear to play with . _______________ - Sten Yuseph |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Quote: On what do you based your claim that it is clearly less effective?
On use. One of the fellas I airsoft with has the whole set, including a boonie hat. I could see him from about 300-400 yards in woodland. It worked a little better on the beach, but not by much. The older BDU's were much better. |
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Sten Yuseph - Student
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Incase anyone doesn't know, I served in the marines for about 8 months before medical reasons caused me to be discharged. (I was a standard rifleman).
Anyway, the US Army ACU outright sucks. It is supposedly a universal camo design, but so far the only environments shown to be effective with the camo design are urban, snow and...as we see above, couches. Where I'm guessing most army members spend their time .
There is controversy over it because it was an untested design chosen over very trial proven designs. Even turning down a version of the much more effective USMC MARPAT designs. Most see it as a way to save money but, well. I could go on forever about things I disagree with in the military's brass. Such as banning tattoos, not letting soldiers use body armor available in the civilian sector and other things. _______________ - Sten Yuseph This comment was edited by Sten Yuseph on May 10 2007 07:23pm. |
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Buzz - Student 
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On what do you based your claim that it is clearly less effective? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Minoda - Student 
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LOL that is pretty good, Nice find.. _______________ - Minoda Student |
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lol @ that pic _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
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planK - Jedi Council
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Argh, I should have made the point I was trying to make more clear, and thus it probably would have stayed in general discussion.
This stuff is clearly much less effective than the old M68 disruptive pattern bdu's that the US army used to use. If they want effective digital dpm uniforms, they should look towards the United States Marine Corps' MARPAT camouflage, which has two variants, like the M68 pattern gear did, for jungle/woodland and desert/mountain. Oy. What were they thinking? |
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