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planK - Jedi Council  |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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No, I hate it primarily because it handles bad. The fact that it's overkill is just because I don't like how it looks. What's ecofriendly or not has no effect on what I buy.
I think that the ozone layer is connected to greenhouse gases and global warming for quite a few reasons. Yet, keeping it simple, I'll just point out that ozone is a greenhouse gas. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: I believe that ozone reduction is a BIG aspect of the whole global warming concern.
Some hybrid models are ok actually, I rented a lexus hybrid for a month and it was pretty good. I'd rather drive that car than an h3, not because it's ecofriendly or anything like that. I just hate how the hummers handle and it just cries out overkill. Yes, some people really take the military interest in anti-matter seriously. Even though we are years and years and years away from producing a significant amount. Ozone is a big aspect of uv radiation getting through, and is an issue because of CFC's. The stability of the layer is of some concern to us but its not an aspect of greenhouse gases. And yeah you might not like an H3 because its a big lumbering suv. But its still probably more ecofriendly in reality than a hybrid car. The SUV to hybrid comparison s just the drastic comparison that people seem to love to make about how wasteful and dangerous to the environment people can be. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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I believe that ozone reduction is a BIG aspect of the whole global warming concern.
Some hybrid models are ok actually, I rented a lexus hybrid for a month and it was pretty good. I'd rather drive that car than an h3, not because it's ecofriendly or anything like that. I just hate how the hummers handle and it just cries out overkill. Yes, some people really take the military interest in anti-matter seriously. Even though we are years and years and years away from producing a significant amount. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." This comment was edited by Augusta_Mintaka on Jun 15 2007 06:32am. |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Military interest in anti-matter? WARP CORES, STAR TREK, SPACESHIPS OMG.
*shuts up*  |
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Buzz - Student 
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ozone isn't an aspect of global warming or greenhouse gas effects.
And hybrid cars are a load of crap. Getting an H3 is likely better for the environment than those "green" hybrid cars. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Jun 15 2007 06:15am. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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The greenhouse effect has never really caught my eye because it's always over dramatized. Speculations for when the ice caps will melt are from 10 years from now to never. Our ozone is probably going to get scratched up in our life time, but technology will likely catch up and snuff out a lot of what concerns like global warming and nuclear winter.
Kinda ironic in a sense that we spend so much money on trying to ease up the greenhouse effect, but we could be taken out by a seldom thought about cataclysm like gamma ray bursts any day now. Yet, all we can do about that is subtly research it and wait for technology to give us an answer. I don't believe that will happen, but then again I didn't believe Blizzard would make SC2, go figure. On an off topic side note, I saw one of those "The end is near" people near the entrance of my college a few months ago. He also didn't wear much.....wow now I want to get that image out of my head. But yeah, once we stop worrying about the greenhouse effect something else will come along like the military interest in anti-matter. Not really worth throwing your beliefs about what will kill us off at people who just don't care (90ish percent of the world). Makes me think about that south park episode with the hybrid cars and stan moving to some snooty town. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Buzz - Student
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Masta does hit it pretty well on the head with the issues of his argument. Essentially what he is advocating is that we listen to people like this: http://www.salagram.net/end1.jpg
Because of something that might happen we must take these drastic measures according to him. But let's just look at what other things that might happen. The sun could explode tomorrow, we must do something to save humanity from this immediately. An asteroid could hit us tomorrow, see above. At any moment you could be walking and trip and fall and hit your head on an object and die, you must wear a helmet at all times. You could go out drinking tonight and get so hammered that you lose control of your bodily functions, better start wearing a diaper. The other fact is that no one is really advocating that we "do nothing." Not even people who don't believe global warming is occuring, which the religious zealots of global warming want you to believe. You want to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, great get to it. I'm all for reducing pollution. But to think you can hamstring the world economy first and then demand they develop new technologies after you have cut them down, in their ability. Its like having half your foot cut off, and then not only demanding that you run an equal time previously, but regenerate that lost portion of your body and then improve your time. Garbage like Kyoto is also worthless and hasn't done jack in slowing down emissions. Haven't most nations who were above their limits to start with continued to increase their levels, and along with that have been found that even their reported numbers are fudged lower. Also not only is it the height of arrogance to assume that humans are the cause of climates changing, its the height of arrogance to decide what the optimum level of greenhouse gases in the air should be and what the optimal global temperature should be. Especially when you consider that the earth has at times been warmer and cooler than it has been now. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Instead of focusing on the issue of global warming in-itself, i will rather (like the OP stated we should) focus on the argument laid down by the person in the clip:
The person used the structural form of pascal's wager, thus making it prone to the same flaws. In his case, the assessment of the possible outcomes is highly dependent on speculation, thus a general agreement of what the actual outcomes in each grid-space will be, would have to be established prior to him making any judgement about the rationality of either choice. Coming to such an agreement would be very hard by virtue of it being mostly based on speculation. For example, i could say that i don't agree with his speculation on the outcome of option "false/action" (gw = false, us taking action), and that an economic collapse of such a magnitude "that would make the 1930's seem like a cakewalk" would have equally devastating socio-political, (and in the case of all-out global nuclear war) environmental and "public health" consequences, absolutely not deviating in hostility from the outcome of option "true/inaction". Also, he seems to have taken a specific method of our intervention as a given, basing his outcomes in the left row on it, out-ruling far more drastic measures that are currently under consideration like spraying chemicals and metallic particles into the atmosphere in order to reflect a portion of the sun's rays, or to build a massive solar-shield to prevent radiation from reaching the earth et al. The worst case scenario of those methods would (in my opinion) probably result in a partial or complete destruction of the biosphere, leaving the planet in a very hostile condition to anything alive. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Ben Kenobi - Student |
Besides, the sea levels wouldn't rise 20-40ft until like more than 100 years.
It would just rise a few inches in a very gradual rate. I'm sure we as humans could migrate a bit off the coast. |
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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The link was deleted as it was an unserious addition to a serious thread.
And just to keep things interesting. How about we have a policy of backing up our assumed facts in the posts. Just so the thread keep at least a standard level of truthfulness. - HW Did you apply the same standards to the religion convo and similar threads ? stop posting imo...like forever _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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Shar - Ex-Student 
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Quote: The link was deleted as it was an unserious addition to a serious thread.
And just to keep things interesting. How about we have a policy of backing up our assumed facts in the posts. Just so the thread keep at least a standard level of truthfulness. - HW Did you apply the same standards to the religion convo and similar threads ? _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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The link was deleted as it was an unserious addition to a serious thread.
And just to keep things interesting. How about we have a policy of backing up our assumed facts in the posts. Just so the thread keep at least a standard level of truthfulness. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Loto - Student 
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Yeah, it's a good thing to stray away from gasoline. For any reason.
On a side note, I really dont like Al Gore, lol. He's... very condescending and just.. weird. Just doesn't tickle my fancy, you know? |
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Shar - Ex-Student 
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Why was it deleted  im ontopic. It's a nice theory on how the lack of pirates are related to global warming. I mean it's as plausible as any other theory.
Besides as already stated there is no way to prevent global warming only delay it. _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Menaxia - Student 
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Quote: there are measures that can be taken to prevent it's effects, such as the rising sea level and dramatic climate changes.
Hey King Canute: You cannot stop global warming, you cannot prevent it's affects. You can not make it worse by chucking as much crap around the planet as we currently do, but to blame Global warming on the human race like so many people do (including the mass media)is just completely ignorant. We do not have to appologise for our presence on our home planet. _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Quote: AARRRRGH GOM GOM GLOBAL WARMING THE WORLD IS COMMING TO AN END!!
I do not think so. The Earth is warming up - well diddly-dee, we just came out of an Ice Age a geological eye-blink ago. You want to stop global warming - ok here's your to-do list: 1. Shoot all the cows 2. Tell everyone to stop breathing (and farting) 3. Ban clouds 4. Turn the Sun off. Then we'll have the fantastic climate of the moon. Aye, that's all fine and well. We can't stop global warming. Got it. 
Despite that, there are measures that can be taken to prevent it's effects, such as the rising sea level and dramatic climate changes. I'd rather the governments of the world did that, than do nothing and watch major cities get ripped to bits because "global warming doesn't exist". |
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Menaxia - Student
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AARRRRGH GOM GOM GLOBAL WARMING THE WORLD IS COMMING TO AN END!!
I do not think so. The Earth is warming up - well diddly-dee, we just came out of an Ice Age a geological eye-blink ago. You want to stop global warming - ok here's your to-do list: 1. Shoot all the cows 2. Tell everyone to stop breathing (and farting) 3. Ban clouds 4. Turn the Sun off. Then we'll have the fantastic climate of the moon. _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/
i giggled just after i read word 'kansas'. xD anyway that guy mikeh posted has a point, not a senseless crap. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Quote: http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/
Not like you to post irrelivent crap, Shar! *cough* |
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Ben Kenobi - Student |
I do not believe that global warming is occurring.
However, I think we should still look for alternative energy sources and buy hybrid cars. I know; I'm really messed up. By the way anyone remember a few years back when everyone thought 'global cooling' was occurring? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling |
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LoneWolf_ Mintaka - Student 
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It is a very interesting argument. It's good to be open minded and all. In my opinion global warming isn't anything to be concerned with. With as much heat we are getting from the sun and the ozone burning up. Seems to me like a lot more water is evaporating then it is being put back.
You indeed have the water cycle but I'm no scientist, does some of the water get lost in the evaporation process ? If so then a lot more water is evaporating and the polar caps are just continuing on with the same cycle it's been in. Water does come back and freeze you know up north. Just a thought. LW _______________ Honor, still counts for something. Loyalty, is hard to come by. Integrity, is something to strive for. |
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Hardwired - Retired
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Incredibly simplified. But the man has a point none the less.
- HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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