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none - Student |
you know how there are those movie books that talk about all the armor and stuff (like lord of the rings). but in the movies when a guy gets hit once he falls over just like that? I hate this because it's like "what's the point of armor?" what do you guys think? _______________ none |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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I can't find a source anywhere, nor the location that I had originally read it, but I remember reading somewhere that supposedly Aqualish have some sort of funky blood tissue thing going on so that the lightsaber could not flash-cauterize it. Or something crazy. _______________ slorp |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I didn't see any red flash....
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none - Student |
I didn't see any red flash.... _______________ none |
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KHSenatu - Student 
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actually aidan ur wrong about maul that red flash at the bottom of the screen when obi slices him in half is his blood _______________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHgmY1eRjvU |
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Aidan® - Aidan 
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Quote: Really? You mean like when Ponda Baba's arm got cut off by Obi-Wan at Mos Eisley and there was blood all over the floor?
i do recall seeing blood, but if you have a look and many other lightsaber wounds you will see that this one experience is the only time in all the movies this ever happened, anakin got his arm cut off, no blood, maul got halfed, no blood, besides he his not human so he really is a bad example of a lightsaber attack causing bleeding, Quote:
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presuming the armor is as thick as it is on the chest, probably less thick
There's really no evidence to back that up whatsoever. ok, so i used logic here, why on earth would they make armor thicker on the legs and arms then on the stomach which has all the vital organs, is the largest and most likely place to get hit. Quote: Also I believe the armour consists of layers and thus molten fragments would not really come into contact with the skin.
ok if this is true then a hit to the chest would do nothing, the blaster needs to be able to penetrate through the armor to have any effect what so ever, other then maybe a bruise. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. This comment was edited by Aidan® on Jul 07 2008 04:05pm. |
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Carve - Student 
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I think you need to re-read my post. _______________ © |
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Carbonel - Student |
well a lightsaber is very hot so it instantly cauterizez any wound it creates |
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Carve - Student
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Quote: no one could ever bleed to death from a blaster attack because the end result is a burn like with a lightsaber Really? You mean like when Ponda Baba's arm got cut off by Obi-Wan at Mos Eisley and there was blood all over the floor? Quote: if a blaster attack to the chest is fatal then an attack to the leg would be as bad as being unprotected That makes no logical sense. Being shot with armor on is better than being shot with no armor on. Armor provides a protective barrier, even if very it were very little it's still better than nothing. Quote: presuming the armor is as thick as it is on the chest, probably less thick
There's really no evidence to back that up whatsoever. Quote: in terms of hitting an artery it would probably do exactly the same damage if not worse because of the broken armor fragments imbedded into the wound, so if i got hit in the leg it wouldn't do that much in terms of protecting
Didn't see many armor fragments in the movies. Quote: also the armor already hinders the ability to move and if you were hit then the broken armor fragments would prevent any hope of movement.
Again, pure chance and based upon unquantified information. The worst scenario would be molten fragments of the armor causing damage to the person inside, but unless I am mistaken I believe stormtrooper armor has environmental defenses that prevent against things like extreme heat and cold. Also I believe the armour consists of layers and thus molten fragments would not really come into contact with the skin. Also note that I am not talking about direct hits to the leg, but rather deflecting glancing blows which would otherwise be crippling. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Jul 07 2008 05:40am. |
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Carbonel - Student |
but it is not an object I phrased it wrong it is basicly a VERY hot energised gas flyuing through the air. |
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Aidan® - Aidan 
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if you punch through something it will break, yes _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Carbonel - Student |
Blasters are not projectiles they dont fire a slug they make a hole they dont break armour they just punch through it so the armour fragments arent created |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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Quote: A shot to the leg most certainly can be fatal. The femoral artery is one of the largest arteries in the body. A leg injury is catastrophic
no one could ever bleed to death from a blaster attack because the end result is a burn like with a lightsaber, Quote: Also, do you really think a soldier is effective in combat if he only has one functional leg? Now what if, say, his armor protected his leg so that he was still mobile? Same goes for the arms
if a blaster attack to the chest is fatal then an attack to the leg would be as bad as being unprotected, presuming the armor is as thick as it is on the chest, probably less thick, in terms of hitting an artery it would probably do exactly the same damage if not worse because of the broken armor fragments imbedded into the wound, so if i got hit in the leg it wouldn't do that much in terms of protecting also the armor already hinders the ability to move and if you were hit then the broken armor fragments would prevent any hope of movement. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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Rather unnecessary attack without rational reason! Rule of thumb with injuries to the major blood pathways is:
"If he doesn't die from shock, then he will die from blood loss. If he doesn't die from blood loss, he will die from infection. If he doesn't die from infection, he will die when he sees his medical bill." Since aforementioned injury would be sustained by blaster fire (which I assume would not result in bleeding or blunt trauma), death would have to occur through shock (which means you took a phenomenal amount of damage to your leg) or infection which isn't something that usually kills right away. Although there are exceptions, they are rare and far apart. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Carve - Student
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Quote: well i think that storm trooper armor = fail
in the body and head is where there armor would fail to keep them alive right, well if i was shot in the hand with no armor from a blaster pistol, i wouldn't die, if i was shot in the leg with no armor from a blaster pistol i wouldn't die, if i was shot in the arm with no armor from a blaster pistol i wouldn't die, do you see, if the head and chest shots still kill you then thats really no different to having no armor. I'm sorry, I just can't let this post stand. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. A shot to the leg most certainly can be fatal. The femoral artery is one of the largest arteries in the body. A leg injury is catastrophic (compound femur fractures are often fatal). Also, do you really think a soldier is effective in combat if he only has one functional leg? Now what if, say, his armor protected his leg so that he was still mobile? Same goes for the arms. To equate protection from glancing blows to no protection at all is just blatantly wrong. _______________ © |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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I guess armor that can't deflect/protect against projectiles are used for kinetic protection. Such as plate armor and chain mail which were meant to absorb blunt blows and deflect piercing blows. Although, in regards to armor not doing either, probably purely aesthetics/organization. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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well i think that storm trooper armor = fail
in the body and head is where there armor would fail to keep them alive right, well if i was shot in the hand with no armor from a blaster pistol, i wouldn't die, if i was shot in the leg with no armor from a blaster pistol i wouldn't die, if i was shot in the arm with no armor from a blaster pistol i wouldn't die, do you see, if the head and chest shots still kill you then thats really no different to having no armor. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Without trying to sound like an utter nerd here.
Stormtrooper armor doesent survive a hti right to the chest, They were made for wear and tear (knocks, hits, blades maybe) Glancing blows. They were also sealed so they were able to travel in basic hostile places and so on.. And. Quote: lol it's true
Look at this: Quote: This substance was used extensively in shadowtrooper armor
The substance they are talking about is cortosis wich causes lightsabers to temporarily short out upon contact. (source: Wookiepedia) Come on! Stormtrooper armor should even be resistant to lightsabers! Cortosis weave is generally what was used in amours. theres mixed sources but PURE cortosis is generally considered a very chalky substance which shorts out lightsabers. Cortosis weave is what they put in vibro blades and armour which blocks lightsabers rather than shorting them out. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Carbonel - Student |
The stormtrooper creed: "We will overwhelm them with our many in useless plastic armour" |
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Degor - Padawan 
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lol it's true
Look at this: Quote: This substance was used extensively in shadowtrooper armor
The substance they are talking about is cortosis wich causes lightsabers to temporarily short out upon contact. (source: Wookiepedia) Come on! Stormtrooper armor should even be resistant to lightsabers! _______________ May the force be with you. And may the academy stand forever! |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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lol, attack of the thorn bush _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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notnattezeb - Student 
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meh, the only real reason id to make them look scarey, i gues it migh stop them form pricking themselves on thron bushes but....
 Ntt _______________ if you use simple uniform attacks, your opponant will use simple uniform counters, mix things up a little; be INVENTIVE |
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none - Student |
"yeah that armor works works real well" rofl. anyway its the same in the lord of the rings. the uri-kai are supposed to be all armored and everything, but no, everyone goes down in one hit _______________ none |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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even the rebels in SW BF2 say "that armor works real well ha plastic boy", so apart from looking mysteriously sexy, i don't think that armor does anything because in the 6th movie, that armor went down to the little ewoks throwing rocks and stabbing the with sticks, or maybe those blasters the rebels use are really powerful, but comeon, rocks and sticks. either way i think its time to say,
Take it Off Stormtrooper _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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Lol. I always wondered how Stormtroopers died by getting hit by a blaster on their armor. 
Sounds more like cosmetic or uniform appeal than anything else. _______________ slorp |
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SaZ - Student 
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indeed. stormtroopers 'armor' is pretty useless.
i bet without it, soldiers would have more freedom to move. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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