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ill immediatedly admit - i only buy the best games, the rest i just download.
which means with my mindset im able to try every game that is released. not gonna explain why and what more than that since thats against our forum rules. with that in mind... lets see what games we had this year? mostly long waited sequels. here is a small list of games that i tried, probably forgot a few. keep in mind this is my opinion as someone who likes playing games and is still expecting games to be innovative, new and interesting. which from my observations seems like a dark future for my gaming needs. mass effect 2 - really epic game. while it has has a huge flaw by going far away from what bioware *was* good at, its still one of the best games i ever played. assassins creed 2 - first game was garbage, nice graphics, good music, nice atmosphere... and absolutely repetitive gameplay and story. ac2 managed to make story interesting enough while having pretty much the same gameplay. great improvement over the first game. Amnesia i consider this the biggest surprise of the year and probably the best game of 2010. there is simply nothing like it. minecraft: alpha addictive game. a sort of grindfest, part creative game... i feel that in some time this game can become very very good. too bad it has no lightsabers. yet. mount and blade: warband online function for a great game. too bad its suffering from the same flaw like oblivion - devs allow most of the game to be done by modders, thus when you want elements you want in your game its simple gamers nightmare to check all the compatibility and stuff... and then you probably wont be able to access MP. :/ still great fun. alien swarm remake of the mod this game is great, tho again left to modders to make it alive. just cause 2 absolutely pointless, but fun freestyle, great looking game. metro 2033 great gameplay, graphics, atmosphere and story. only flaw is that voice acting is pretty bad. starcraft 2 pretty much the renewed version of the first game. good graphics, good interface. everything seems to be in place, except maybe storyline which i really hoped would have been done in the same style like sc1 or wc3. still the biggest flaw for me is that game doesnt offer anything new at all. the biggest bonus though is that game doesnt fail.... atleast compared to garbage of this year... civilization 5 simplistic while great looking game with the gamebreaking flaw - AI. to prevent the map domination by diplomacy, devs incorporated one of the best backstabing AIs ever made. no place for it in this game tho. Mafia 2 pretty graphics, decent storyline, great atmosphere. but something is just not right... according to games files there should have been 8 or so chapters BEFORE the first one in the game. some important-looking-npcs say that you can work for them yet you cant. no side missions at all. every trailer and even demo has shown a scene where three main characters are stuck on the bridge. it wasnt in game. no-free-ride, no baseball bats, lame repetitive melee, over-accurate weapons... an ok game, but its obvious that gamers only got half of the game. champions online i admit i know pretty much nothing about this game, but the fact that its going f2p already is worth mentioning. all points bulletin a game that should have been insta-success by working exactly like overpopular overrated GTA series. game is now officially the shortest living mmo ever made. Arcania id be damned if i called this gothic 4. every element of the game was dumbed down. to mock the series fans even more you have options like european or american colorset. wtf? remember how you put weapons on the anvil? brew potions on the table? now all of these nice realistic elements are classified as an optional visual-only option in the game settings. combat is too easy even on 'gothic' difficulty. voice acting horrible... impossible to name all the things that are bad in this game. oh! even the main menu theme was changed, i guess even in things where you can just copy-paste and not fail... this game manages to piss on gothic series grave. prince of persia: the forgotten sands this game doesnt make sense at all. its supposed to be in the same world of 'sands of time', but its just... totally out of place and doesnt make any sense even by itself. the overly easy and dumbed down gameplay isnt as bad as the storyline of this garbage.... of one of my favorite game series. splinter cell: conviction just like most games in this list its apparent victim of market that favors dumbed down console games with no depth and short gamelength. call of duty: black ops mw2 was bullshit. a new server system for MP, nothing new in singleplayer. the only original thing in the whole campaign was iceclimbing lol. the storyline is the only thing thats holding cod right now. even then its mostly run and gun, destroy this or that... pretty much the same thing with black ops. more-of-the-same. could have been released as DLC or expansion for mw2. dark void how can you go wrong with jetpack fun? apparently you can in this garbage. need for speed: hot pursuit i was expecting a shit game, but i was amazed... by how shitty it is. yes it was out yesterday, yes i already uninstalled it. because... the things like throwing spike strips on your opponent, getting points for 'spike hit' is not fun... when opponent just drives by faster than you without even using NOS. oh and that Ford... max top speed 230, yet somehow it goes 250+ when AI uses it. and the best one is still.... taking down the opponent, watching him crash, using NOS to go as far away from the incident.... and 3 s later he just wooshes past you as if you were a stone. instant uninstall. lead and gold a teamfortress2/battlefield:heroes looking game with western. now what you need to do to make this game succesful? make it western and copypaste every bfh and tf2 feature right? how about making it western and filling it with totally unlogical and annoying features? yeah thats more like it. battlefield bad company 2 a generic modern theme shooter. medal of honor miniature maps with illusions to fool the player that maps are actually huge? yea, surely players just love to be restricted and meet invisible walls everythere. also devs saw how players love smgs in modern warfare so they made them here as accurate as snipers - i mean who wants to miss a shot when they press the shoot button? i thought it takes no effort to make a generic shooter like bad company 2, but this game proved me wrong. supreme commander 2 a game that wants to put the base building aside and focus on real time strategy. all it becomes is attack-move unit spamage. two worlds 2 after most disappointing arcania i really waited for this game. the second i launched this game, i saw that this is gonna be epic... in ridiculous way. story absolutely makes no sense, but is put in such weird ways that its actually amusing to see where this idiotic story goes. the fun ends when gameplay starts to be annoying thanks to huge flaws and game breaking bugs. not to mention the biggest flaw ever - map consists of 3 islands. the big one, the small one and medium one. you start at small one, its like home. then you go to the medium one and eagerly await the huge island. surprise - you can only explore 20% of the huge island and game ends. so what do YOU think about this years uninspired generic games? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This post was edited by SaZ on Nov 17 2010 02:09pm. |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Put a smile on your dial, douchebag. You're gonna kill yourself before you turn 30.  |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Do the opposite, stick to the good ones and forget the bad, it'll make you a happier person _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: You sound like the most depressed gamer in the world, you should be appaulding ME2's continued DLC, yes you said the game was great but you haven't mentioned the awesome DLC's! Shame on you.!
haha well i can criticise bad games for hours and days, but good games are good. no point in telling stories about that game.... players should just go play it instead lol. in ME2 case... yea... the only thing game lacks is 'remove jacob' patch. thats how perfect it is. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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You sound like the most depressed gamer in the world, you should be appaulding ME2's continued DLC, yes you said the game was great but you haven't mentioned the awesome DLC's! Shame on you.! _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Good to hear that you admit to being biased :p
what do you mean biased? im just always prepared for the worst. some games just dont have the annoying features, bugs, something-that-i-have-seen-hundreds-of-times, thus my critical side can sleep for awhile. Quote: But seriously, what I tend to do is to skip the bad games and just focus on the good, or at least incredibly promising ones. Saves me a lot of time!
sometimes its not very easy to tell if the game is bad from the reviews or gameplay videos. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Nov 23 2010 08:46pm. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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What I mean is, being critical tends to sap some of the fun from playing games. Although if you have fun doing that, more power to you.
I usually play games based on gameplay videos. If it looks like something I want to play, I give it a try. I've enjoyed a number of games that review sites give low scores to. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Good to hear that you admit to being biased :p
But seriously, what I tend to do is to skip the bad games and just focus on the good, or at least incredibly promising ones. Saves me a lot of time! _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: Maybe you should be less critical, Saz.
sorry its what i am. however even though its not apparent from this thread - i enjoy playing games. after playing i can say good and bad points of the games, but some games are just so bad its not possible to play them for too long. Quote: There will always be people enjoying games that you might consider bad. Critics are usually more reliable sources of information when it comes to the success or failure of a game though - in that case, MOH got low-average reviews, which seems rather fitting.
heh well id say in a few years i can be a real critic. not so much now, even though im pretty good at writing unbiased opinions about games in myg language. not in english yet. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Nov 23 2010 12:38pm. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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Maybe you should be less critical, Saz. I'm not an FPS person and I hate most of them. I played Black-Ops for a little while and some of the levels really were fun. Sure it's short and that makes it seem overpriced, but people buy it for the multiplayer nothing else usually. The CoD series is pretty much catered to online players really, I'm surprised they even bother with singleplayer anymore. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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I'm on ventrilo talking to my best mate most nights while we play separate games feel free to join if you wish. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: especially since i was curious if people like the game... went to official forums and was surprised just how many people are brainwashed. its like they are given shit and loving it. no wonder companies are creating half finished or uncreative games. so if the game is loved by people who love mainstream games, you cant really expect any changes in dumbed down and degraded gameplay. There will always be people enjoying games that you might consider bad. Critics are usually more reliable sources of information when it comes to the success or failure of a game though - in that case, MOH got low-average reviews, which seems rather fitting. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: I don't know Saz, i feel like your don't appreciate anything but gameplay, you rush through games and are quick to smack them down.
i dont rush. for example i finished mafia 2 as slowly as possible, still it was such a short game. story was good, graphics were good, everything was good... except the proven fact that game is 50% finished. as much as i enjoyed it, after beating the game i looked at all components and realised game is rather bad. Quote: Games like MOH will be patched and tweaked etc.... Personally i loved the SP of MOH it was very diverse and a breath of fresh air from the standard fps SP.
patches dont usually change stuff like no recoil. especially since i was curious if people like the game... went to official forums and was surprised just how many people are brainwashed. its like they are given shit and loving it. no wonder companies are creating half finished or uncreative games. so if the game is loved by people who love mainstream games, you cant really expect any changes in dumbed down and degraded gameplay. Quote: Have you actually played Bad company 2 with friends on ventrilo as a unit? no i didnt, but...
so you are saying that you couldnt go onto ventrillo with friends before? seriously. i need innovation in games. shooters especially since ive shot through so many aliens, orcs and terrorists that i need something new. and all games like cod can offer is iceclimbing. wtf... and while you are right that gameplay is my priority, but storyline is even more. now i dont know about you guys, but im not really motivated by 'go take that outpost, sergeant X'. which reminds me that im waiting for witcher 2 among other games already mentioned. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Nov 22 2010 11:24am. |
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Quote: I partially agree, but you have to consider that the cost of developing games has become rather large, which means that your average company risks a great deal by deviating from time-proven formulas. Creativity is a very risky endeavour - people may like it, but people may just as well not like it at all, which could potentially mean the end for your company.
I underline everything on this quote... and It supports my point that the game industry has fallen to safe gray area, they know how to pull strings of an average fan gamer, which is enough to make money out of something... I have noticed that a good book and imagination still beats a good game... But I know that there's a potential in games to overcome books... 
Therefore, I hope that SWTor will be something what totally blasts out my mind and gives a new line for next generation's gaming  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Anyways, I think the year was generally average-good. A few gems, some good games, lots of bad ones. Maybe one ruined series (Mafia 2 - cannot judge the rest, since I'm not into the other ones), but besides that, I cannot really complain. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Have you actually played Bad company 2 with friends on ventrilo as a unit? it's possibly the most fun FPS online shooter on the market currently. I for 1 can't wait for Bad Company 3, and since they introduced Squad team Deathmatch its freaking awesome.
Splinter Cell, did you play and finish all the other games? If so the story was solid and compelling as always with splinter cell, the fans have been wanting a rogue sam, a grittier and brutal sam for along time, it's not a bad thing to cater to your fans. Also the CO-OP was awesome fun. Assassin's Creed 2 - It's alright, a few tweaks from the first one but it gets very repetative just as quick as the first one. Mafia 2 - Was just what i wanted a linear mafia experience without all the bullshit side stuff, i wanted to be taken by the hand and led through a Mafioso story. It Succeeded if not a little short. Also if you check the demo it actually said it wont appear in the game as you see it here. In big bold letters i believe so it didn't spoil anything. I don't know Saz, i feel like your don't appreciate anything but gameplay, you rush through games and are quick to smack them down. For instance i just played through Halo - Reach for like the 100th time on legendary with a friend of mine and we literally stopped in awe at some of the battles in the sky that were happening as we progressed through the levels. The visuals in games nowdays are something to enjoy. Don't get me wrong gameplay has to be good etc.. but i feel you don't give the MP a chance with friends before you cast it off. Games like MOH will be patched and tweaked etc.... Personally i loved the SP of MOH it was very diverse and a breath of fresh air from the standard fps SP. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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Amnesia is a great game, but I don't see it significantly influencing gaming trends. Mass Effect 2 is the only game that seems like it will have a lasting impact on its genre this year. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Idk, from all the bad sequels you mentioned, Mafia 2 was the only game that had an honestly enjoyable prequel to begin with.
how about prince of persia? splinter cell? Quote: I don't think a sequel can ruin an already bad or already ruined series. Gothic 3 was pretty bad, we agree there, and Assassins Creed 1 got heavily mixed reviews, so noone expected the sequels to be as that great (at least I didn't).
well you can always hope that ruined series can be made good again. i mean gothic 3 was bad so i didnt think you can make even worse game. or... need for speed hot pursuit. nfs series are getting more and more uncreative every year, but i didnt expect it to be THAT fail. same with medal of honor. Quote: The games what Saz mentioned... and how he's calling year 2010 disastrous for PC games... Heck I would say that last 3 years has been all the same gray mass for game insdustry...
hmm maybe 2010 had many sequels of series that i love. or atleast... loved ages ago
Quote: Considering that Starcraft 2 is pretty much the very best RTS game on the market right now, only rivaled by Starcraft 1, I'd definitely say yeah, it was worth it.
im pretty bad at rts games, but id say dow1,dow2 and coh are great also. on other hand they arent really competing with sc2 since they have totally different gameplay. Quote: Diablo 3 next year ( before you answer Saz i'll place a bet it hits next year not 2012 ) TOR and Dragon Age 2... I can't wait for next year.
im waiting for diablo 3 as well. however.... TOR? i dont think so. right now it doesnt really offer anything more than star wars universe. dragon age 2? again not sure, because from gameplay videos game looks like a random repetitive 3rd person hack and slash fest. ill take a wild guess that customization will be simplified even more. i think dragon age 2 pretty much marks the end of biowares rpg streak. action games are what they make now
Quote: You forgot Portal 2!
and guild wars 2. maybe even dota 2. Quote: There were no genre defining games, aside from maybe ME2.
wouldnt amnesia qualify for that? Quote: I think Dead Rising 2, DoW 2, Amnesia, RUSE and the new Lara Croft game are pretty good. dow 2 is 2009 ;] Quote: Games like Black-ops, Battlefield Bad Company, GTA: Episodes from Liberty City and Splinter Cell: Conviction are being highly praised, but they aren't my cup of tea.
such games will always be popular. thats why they are being made. for picky gamers like me they dont offer anything new. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Nov 21 2010 03:56pm. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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It's a mixed year. Games like SC2, Fallout New Vegas, ME2, Civ 5, Monkey Island 2 and Napoleon: Total War were excellent.
Games like Black-ops, Battlefield Bad Company, GTA: Episodes from Liberty City and Splinter Cell: Conviction are being highly praised, but they aren't my cup of tea. I think Dead Rising 2, DoW 2, Amnesia, RUSE and the new Lara Croft game are pretty good. There were disappointments like Gothic 4, C&C 4 (curse of 4?), TFU2, Lost Planet 2, Disciples 3 and Singularity. Overall, I would say there were more "good" games than the last few years. There were no genre defining games, aside from maybe ME2. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." This comment was edited by Augusta_Mintaka on Nov 19 2010 10:50am. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: Diablo 3 next year ( before you answer Saz i'll place a bet it hits next year not 2012 ) TOR and Dragon Age 2... I can't wait for next year.
You forgot Portal 2! _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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Quote: I partially agree, but you have to consider that the cost of developing games has become rather large, which means that your average company risks a great deal by deviating from time-proven formulas. Creativity is a very risky endeavour - people may like it, but people may just as well not like it at all, which could potentially mean the end for your company.
Quote: Starcraft -> Starcraft 2, this game is just totally overhyped... yet I admit that the sequel took a big step, but It also took freaking 7 years to develop this game! Was it really worth of waiting? Considering that Starcraft 2 is pretty much the very best RTS game on the market right now, only rivaled by Starcraft 1, I'd definitely say yeah, it was worth it. i still dip in to dawn of war 2 tho! kick ass all out action rts fun. But yeah this year for me has been immense for games really, Mass effect 2 is a given, all the DLC that came with , Dragon Age DLC, Starcraft 2 ( lets face it there is no blizzard game that isnt above average ) Bad Company 2 is a big one for me i love playing that game still, biggest let down of the year is Black ops... yes i admit i like balls to the wall fast paced fps online fun so i dip in to CoD from time to time.
Diablo 3 next year ( before you answer Saz i'll place a bet it hits next year not 2012 ) TOR and Dragon Age 2... I can't wait for next year. And sequels i love to play, im invested in to the story so it feels wayyyyyyy more immersive than getting in to a whole new story again. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I partially agree, but you have to consider that the cost of developing games has become rather large, which means that your average company risks a great deal by deviating from time-proven formulas. Creativity is a very risky endeavour - people may like it, but people may just as well not like it at all, which could potentially mean the end for your company.
Quote: Starcraft -> Starcraft 2, this game is just totally overhyped... yet I admit that the sequel took a big step, but It also took freaking 7 years to develop this game! Was it really worth of waiting? Considering that Starcraft 2 is pretty much the very best RTS game on the market right now, only rivaled by Starcraft 1, I'd definitely say yeah, it was worth it. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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I honestly think that people are making sequels due to lack of creativity and due to high demand... (But because of marketing laws, the demand comes before creativity and money comes before anything...)
We are living on year 2010, where the internet is allready invented! Yes, I understand on some games; they are testing like new game engines or discovering new graphics.... But still It isn't reason to put something in re-production, anymore... They don't really take that BIG steps, atleast not that big they couldn't handle it with few ultimate updates or expansions packs on company's site... Starcraft -> Starcraft 2, this game is just totally overhyped... yet I admit that the sequel took a big step, but It also took freaking 7 years to develop this game! Was it really worth of waiting? Nonetheless my point really is, the whole game industry should move on to internet! Nowadays It is totally unnecessary to go through the expensive and time/nature consuming game production! Not to mention expensive advertisement expenses... The games what Saz mentioned... and how he's calling year 2010 disastrous for PC games... Heck I would say that last 3 years has been all the same gray mass for game insdustry... But It isn't just games really... but that's off-topic issue
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Idk, from all the bad sequels you mentioned, Mafia 2 was the only game that had an honestly enjoyable prequel to begin with. A bad game gets a bad sequel - nothing new here. Diablo 1 was awesome, so Diablo 2 ended up being great as well; same applies to Mass Effect, Starcraft and Civilization. I don't think a sequel can ruin an already bad or already ruined series. Gothic 3 was pretty bad, we agree there, and Assassins Creed 1 got heavily mixed reviews, so noone expected the sequels to be as that great (at least I didn't). _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student
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well the key difference between 2010 and your examples is that the 'standarts of sequels' have changed.
i wouldnt even create this thread if all the mentioned games would have been some hyped new-breeds. almost all games i mentioned are sequels unfortunately. sure 5 or so games is good for a year, but 2010 also means 5 or so other game series were ruined by really bad sequels (atleast half of my list are exactly that). oh force unleashed 2. didnt try that one since the first one was way too horrible. damn i cant believe i actually created this thread. i guess that need for speed hot pursuit was really the last bit. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Nov 17 2010 09:40pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Uhm, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't call a year 'disastrous' for PC gaming that saw the releases of such awesome games like Mass Effect 2, Civilizations 5, Amnesia, Minecraft (!) and Starcraft 2. That's quite a lot of goodies for one single year, if you ask me. It may not compare to 1998 (Half-Life, Starcraft, Thief, GTA, Fallout 2) or 2000 (Thief2, Baldurs Gate 2, Diablo2, CS, DeusEx, Red Alert 2 and Unreal Tournament), but it's still pretty nice.
No doubt there's been a lot of bad games released this year, but how does that differ from the years before that? The only things that matter are the really good games anyways. EDIT: Don't tell me you didn't play The Force Unleashed 2 xO I'm sure you'd really enjoy that one... or at least really enjoy criticising it, since it's not the best of all games. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Nov 17 2010 03:00pm. |
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