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SaZ - Student  |
as you can see there is a 'disastrous games 2010' thread not so far away'.... here is the the sequel to that thread.
DO NOT BUY THIS GAME Lets get this straight. Dragon age 1 was: -dumbed down rpg -fun companions -no story development (the player knows the ending at the beginning of the game and there is no actual twist) -good storytelling -advertised as having more choices than any other game, yet being the same like games before overall: nothing new, but a good game none the less. So after playing 14 hours of Dragon Age 2. what can i tell about it? -COMBAT: lets be honest here, almost every combat in every game becomes repetitive. combat in this game isnt that bad. it has the same flaws of the first game: disables+aoe=imba ownage. its much more chaotic than the first game. i had a thought to turn up the difficulty, but i quickly went back to normal. why? the companion AI is really stupid. i set up tactics, behavior and everything, but that didnt prevent my healer to go far away from the party to attack the boss at pointblank range with his staff. the monsters move unrealistically fast between the targets. its like they move normally when fighting, all the animations smooth and stuff, but when they move they are like 10x sped up. what? there are teleportations spells, cool huh? not so cool when you cant even teleport over the ledge or cliff. i can only name the flaws of combat - everything else is dull and not special. -INVENTORY simplified lol. you can only equip rings, belts amulets and weapons on your companions. armor levels up. for one guy even weapon is leveling. -CHAR DEVELOPMENT if you are rogue or mage you dont need to put a single point in strength anymore. every class has its own main stat and thats it. the abilities have similar trees like dragon age 1. overally id say char development has as much depth as lets say... dark messiah. and this was was advertised as rpg somehow lol. -GRAPHICS thats probably the best point of the game. yes the graphics are dull and more grayish, but the general style from what ive seen its quite ok. the loading screens ae really great. if the whole game was more like loading screens it would be a thousand times better. game runs pretty well, even though demo runs about 2x shittier than the release. also BLOOD! thats pretty much the only good thing in this game. -QUESTS AND DIALOGS the 'fun' begins here. you get into the city and you pretty much have about... 100 quests to do. none of them are connected. you kill magistrates son? he whines a single line and thats it. never saw him again. they dont really have any consequences or choices. the usual dialogs are like this: templar 1: thanks for bringing these apostates so they can be brought to the circle. templar 2: i think they should be brough to justice right now! me: yes! kill them now! templar 1: thanks for your help. exp gained gold gained O_o o_O what. simillar stuff like this happened in most quests, you are given choices that... mean absolutely nothing. also the game is less brutal. id imagine the increased ammount of blood would indicate the opposite, but even when you are threatening like 100th person in the district your character gets pushed away like 'pfft dont care'. conversation immediately ends. without a choice to cut his throat. every quest involves killing no matter what. realistically your main character is a complete thug with no brain. the only way to earn gold is to kill someone. one way or another... or kill 100 others. every dialog is about 2-3x shorter than dragon age 1. no depth to be found. you are also shown which choice is forceful and which is peaceful. would be quite understandable if the choices actually meant something. overall: questing and dialogs are about the depth of your average mmo in the same quest area. oh by the way you can important a character info from the first game. met this lord harrowmond relative. killed him. 'thanks from king bhelen' exp gained gold gained. DEEP SHIT YO. COMPANIONShaving met most of them id say they are pretty weak. there are these good, lawful ones who are completely boring. nothing compared to even alistar, leliana and wynne. all companions: look normal, they sound normal, they act normal. two companions are shown a bit more 'fucked up' than the rest, but i guess they would impress only someone who lived in the cave their whole lives. there is also this friendship rivalry system. basically you can say something nice or something they agree with and you gain friendship points. if you tell them to gtfo the whole game... they wont quit. they will just be 'rivals' and continue to annoy you no matter what you say unless you switch to another companion. STORYdid 100 boring quests. zero story. considering how many quests involved killing bloodmages, dealing with apostates and templars im pretty sure it will be about them. or this 'tevinter imperium' folk gonna involve itself somehow. probably a dragon too, because everyone likes dragons and every game has them. CONCLUSION if you want a rather generic singleplayer mmo-style grindfest, but cant pay monthly fee for the western ones and you dont like the asian style. this is for you! http://img37.imageshack.us/i/da2mm.jpg http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5338/1299706617810.jpg these two pics shows what this game is about. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This post was edited by SaZ on Mar 10 2011 11:48am. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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You've never played wow end game have you ? you can't compare mmo and rpg, i know its mmorpg.
Dragon age is a single player experience, you can't get the same joy out of leveling your character with friends when your doing it alone. We get it you don't like DA2, but it seems alot of people here do like it. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
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SaZ - Student 
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why i cant? i just did. lol
and da2 is exactly that - empty shit till you get to some more interesting parts. now if you cant see the similarity then wat.. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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You can't really compare it to wow, wow is all about the end game. Not the way you get there. Warcraft endgame is basically unrivaled by any company. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: I have yet to finish SC2's SP... I do hear the missions are quite diverse and a lot of fun. Hm...
Speaking of DA2, I've played it for a couple of hours now (I think) and I find it rather entertaining so far. Cannot judge yet, as I'm still pretty much at the beginning. well sc2 wasnt bad. the missions were pretty interesting, but... how much were they connected to the main story? you were kinda forced to progress through side quests just so you can have another batch of info about main story. da2 is a lot like that also. like world of warcraft... grind 10 levels, get a few epic quests, grind 10 more. etc. while in sc2 it wasnt such a big deal since its rts, but in rpg game and especially from bioware which developed ALL of their games in continous story... such kind of story development feels totally unneeded and out of place. da2 starts pretty cool, but... by the time i finished everything till the end of deep roads... i formed pretty solid opinion about everything. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Mar 12 2011 07:49pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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I have yet to finish SC2's SP... I do hear the missions are quite diverse and a lot of fun. Hm...
Speaking of DA2, I've played it for a couple of hours now (I think) and I find it rather entertaining so far. Cannot judge yet, as I'm still pretty much at the beginning. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student
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right.
when you play atleast 100 quests please post again. Quote: Perhaps your issue is that the game doesn't immerse you as much ad the D&D games of old. Only a small niche of players like to play those....it's not a good investment for a company like Bioware.
no my issue is that the game doesnt even try to be as good as the last games in many many areas. -there is no continuing story. thats simillar to starcraft 2, shitload of pointless secondary missions... once in awhile you get something connected to the main story. -identical atmosphere and levels. i saw the exact same cave in a few completely unrelated quests. how can that be immersive? considering the last few bioware games with unique sights.... and neverwinter nights 1-2 amazing toolsets... i imagined to see either of those - less number of areas, but every each of them unique or more areas, but created with a couple different themes. my expectations arent high. on the contrary i expect bioware to do their work as usual. the combat was the only thing they could have changed. the result is much worse though. everything they used to do well (kotor 1 kind of quality) they dild much worse. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Mar 12 2011 05:49pm. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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Saz, DA2 isn't very simplified though. It's more streamlined and forces you to implement more tactics while using strategy. If it's too easy, then you turn up the difficulty.
Even the dialogue wheel wasn't really being simplified because you get roughly the same amount of options. The only issue is that it makes you feel like you're playing the character instead of being the character. Perhaps your issue is that the game doesn't immerse you as much ad the D&D games of old. Only a small niche of players like to play those....it's not a good investment for a company like Bioware. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Dont get me wrong saz, i like debating stuff with you but i feel your expectations for newer games are too high and thats why you feel let down by them. I think it's partly due to media hype nowdays etc... But just enjoy games for what they are. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I think Amik makes a good point: what's wrong with simplicity?
why simplify the already simple thing? 
Up the difficulty if you want a challenge, it's what it's for mire hardcore player go for harder difficulty. i meant the whole game. combat mechanics, dialogs, quest depth, storyteeling. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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Quote: I think Amik makes a good point: what's wrong with simplicity?
why simplify the already simple thing?
Up the difficulty if you want a challenge, it's what it's for mire hardcore player go for harder difficulty. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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This is an excellent game. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: I think Amik makes a good point: what's wrong with simplicity?
why simplify the already simple thing? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I think Amik makes a good point: what's wrong with simplicity? _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Never before in my life have I seen someone in such dire need of having his dick sucked.
Nobody cares if you don't like Dragon Age 2. Stop being such a sissy and go do some blow and have fun or something. wow, way to be a douchebag. just wrote a warning for any jedi academy member who likes rpgs that this isnt a game for you if you are looking for the actual rpg.... and look he is already wavin his dick around. seems like you cant even write a honest review these days, because it will either be 'its shitty, but nothing else to play so its ok' response or 'fuck u' brainwashed by mainstream crap response. soon every game will be like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhJRvazOSjs _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Mar 11 2011 11:18am. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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It's a solid game! Maybe not as much of a vast improvement ME 2 was over ME 1, but an improvement all in all. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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The harder settings are designed for the stop and start combat style, more strategy is required but even then combining classes properly will spank everything. I can't help but agree with people you seem so very bitter about a perfectly good game. 30 hrs of game play with dlc to come. Perfect value for money.
Poor dialogue at times I can let slip when Bioware are still pretty much the only company to do full voice acting in games. Did you play on pc? Did you actually buy it? And did you get the high res texture pack too? It improves the game so much. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Never before in my life have I seen someone in such dire need of having his dick sucked.
Nobody cares if you don't like Dragon Age 2. Stop being such a sissy and go do some blow and have fun or something. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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The game is great so far. It is a different game than DA:O so it took me by surprise (I didn't bother with the demo when it was out).
I didn't play too far, but so far it has shown to be more on the tactics side than strategy. There aren't as many skills, but they have a greater impact. Voice acting by the player is good and I think the voice wheel is fine since when you count the Investigate branch, it has about one less conversation option than DA:O on average. Although some things I thought they should have kept are the Origins and different races. I do realize that would be just far too much voice acting, though. I guess your biggest pet peeve is the simplicity, Saz. I don't really mind it and I love complex D&D games. Let's face it, Bioware is getting big and they will continue to attract more mainstream players. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: I think this game is a triumph. Why are you filled with so much bitter rage?
 read my 'review'. i clearly pointed out the flaws. how can rpg fan like such dialogs like the Quote: templar 1: thanks for bringing these apostates so they can be brought to the circle.
templar 2: i think they should be brough to justice right now! me: yes! kill them now! templar 1: thanks for your help. exp gained gold gained O_o o_O what. this wasnt the joke, it was the actual dialog. and this repeats in majority of the quests. you also cant deny that every quest is more like a 'assignment to kill someone'. all these are just factual observations of how the game is. do those things seem interesting? they are dull and dull equals bad. seriously how it can may seem that im trying to make the game look bad if im just quoting what the game itself says lol _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Mar 11 2011 01:53am. |
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I think this game is a triumph. Why are you filled with so much bitter rage? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Will give it a go very soon. Rome:TW has consumed my life at the moment. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student
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masta give me a break on this one. i bet you would hate it as well. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Maybe it's just not a game for you. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student
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for very good reasons imo.
a dull game should not be praised just because its from bioware. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Mar 10 2011 03:47pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Someone doesn't like DA2. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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