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You know, I;m wondering if the Council people ever think things through real well. You close threads that are jokingly, and even SAY so, that they are "tongue-in-cheek". You harp on anyone who might offend YOU, but never mind how you might offend the little guy. You're the Council. You're the head instructor. You made the JA Mod. Big deal. You should be subject to the same thing. Regular guys post an offensive pic...whoo boy, dive for cover. But a Council guy posts a porn link in IRC, well, he's still around. You get all the unbalanced crap out there, and what's wors, it's not unbalanced because you are right, but unbalanced because you guys don't think. And then you send me a "this is not the place for it, Ulic, file your complaints with the Council." For the 20th time, I have. You guys slip away with the whole "we're not perfect". Well neither are we. But we get the two warning limit. You guys must be on your tenth. I also know for a fact that I've pissed off the Council. I'm almost certain now that Huxley is against me, he has been for a while. And the undeniable fact: you make rank by sucking up to the Council. That's how I made Knight in 2 months, but since I stepped down and refuse to suck up to such incompetence, I'll never get back to Knight. So you point at me for racism stuff. It was joking around. What about all the blonde jokes, or priest jokes? Where's the offensiveness in that? Maybe I'm just being a bitch. But I'm tired of the rogue, random acts of the Council. So close this one too. It threatens you, the council. You can't stand to have someone point out the fact that the Council may not be effective as a whole. It's a game, but you can't make accusations against me that are unbased. I don't like some hot-shot Council member, staff, Master, whatever, swooping in here and calling me something I'm not, and just wielding their power like a club. I can list the offenses of Council members, JATs, and Masters. I wouldn't have to try so hard. But go against the council like I have? Wow. That is far more worse than the sum of all the transgressions the Council has done. So you call me what you like. Call me what you think. I'll can call you fascist. I'll can call you a "repressive regime." So what if YOU aren't? You don't care if what I'm referred to is a lie, so why should I care if this new title of the Fascist Council is a lie? Good luck fixing it. I trust you'll do just the same poor job as everything else. But I've better things to do. Like prep my research for the UN. Oh, that's right I forgot. According to you guys I'm an idiot who doesn't know anything. I'd represent you guys at the UN, but such idiocy is frowned upon. Actually, I'll represent the good students. Not the Council, not the heads of the Academy. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This post was edited by Ulic Belouve on Jun 03 2003 08:50pm. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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I'm closing this thread. It's just becoming a pissing match between a small number of people, and it keeps getting worse. If you all feel you have something constructive to add to the public discourse then feel free to make a new thread, but otherwise... Ulic, JACs, we've all made our points, we all disagree, and we've all gotten way too angry, upset, offended, and personal about all of this. We're all wrong in some ways, and we're all right in some ways. Ulic, I'm sorry you were offended. You can take that as an olive branch from a council member or you can take that as a weak attempt to smooth things over. I hope you take it the first way. But things have gotten so far out of hand that it's now just childish, petty bickering from BOTH SIDES. We JACs haven't been angels in this argument, but so far I see neither side as extremely willing to bow down to the other sides wishes. If you have anything else to say on the matter please direct it to the respective inbox of whoever you'd like to say it to (and I'm talking to everyone here), but beyond that please, we've all made points and all of the points have been taken into consideration. Now lets move on and try to have a small amount of peace. (Note to Ulic, I can see your first objection coming, that I'm trying to sweep this under the rug. I'm not at all, I just don't see the point in everyone continuing to badmouth each other. Trust me, I've read everything you've said and have taken your points into consideration). _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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IN addition... Since the configuration of the local firewalls do not allow me to access IRC, I fail to see how I could have insulted anyone on IRC, since I have not been present in over a month. Or is somone using my IRC name? _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Fine, piss me off more. Damnit, I'm not suing, you pieces of crap. I'm just trying to point out the fact that you guys call me whatever the hell you want to, truth or lie, and you can't have the balls to apologize for pissing me off. It's not like anyone here to start calling people things that they are not, and etending cookies, bananas, or the LOOK AT MY WOOKIE crap to make it all better. Ooh! {insert name} is a flamboyant gaywad! Oh, calm down, HAVE A COOKIE!!! {insert name} is such an idiot, they should just shoot themselves. Whoa, chill out, here's a BANANA!!! {insert name} is so disgusting, that it would make Hannibal Lecter vomit with rage. whoop! LOOK AT MY WOOKIE!!! Or you could just as easily dismiss many things with the same excuse... FUCK YOU!!! (oop! I'm a Council member, I can say that!) I piss of someone with some joking comment about selling slaves, and I'm made to apologize, as I have. You say some NON-JOKE about me being racist and sexist, and although I request apologies, none is forthcoming. So such insult occupies my mind for the majority of the day, yet no one will rescind this, and yet, they stand by the Council members calling me such. I won't even argue much more. I'd have to be human. According to the people here, I am a crazy, fucked-in-the-head, solitary little man, who knows little of the world and its ways, who would just as easily snap your neck as I would save your life, who knows no joy except in making life miserable for everyone one else, who hates women and seeks to opress them, and merely sees himself as the apex of all humanity, superior to all, regardless of gender, race, sex, or creed. Thanks guys, you've made me feel so much better. No, no, don't apologize. You were right on the money with all the insults you've given. I'm just very, very good at decieving everyone into believing I am a decent person. After all, I came into an organization that seemed to hinge on the aspect of respect, but it's private enough that it can get away with anything it seems proper. After all, it is proper to call me what I am, right? So I'm offended and pissed off at being insulted by those among the top 5 of the Academy. But since they are of such position, such apologies are beneath them. They feel they are in the right, and guess what? They truly are correct. I'm a horrible person. Just ask anyone here. Oh, and if you can't pick up on my sacasm about my horrible nature, then I'm sorry, I must suck at doing that too. But don't worry about my doing anything rash and harmful. I'm far too incompetent for any such acts. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Sniya - Student 
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Seriously your gonna sue,my God, i dont think it is a big deal.Ok you found it highly offensive and you think it was untrue.And yes it may be highly offensive(as i agree) you may be within legal rites to sue,but this kind of pety heat of the moment insults were not what laws were put in place to protect from.And remeber if your getting into politics i wouldnt sue left right and centre it wont look good.Now can we all just calm down. in relation to that reference to peace in the below post i saw a funny comic the guy said "im still a hippie ive just motived my views" the t;shirt read Make money not war p.s. in an effort to see this post be pushed further down out of sight i will make this my last post in this subject,i hope others will follow we shouldent row like this _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Auron - Ex-Student 
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HEY! The poll pie graph looks like a 'peace sign'. Maybe it means we should all kiss and make up... Or maybe not. _______________ -Auron I've got l337 rock-paper-scissor skills, boi! Ok,ok.. Who wants to touch me? |
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Auron - Ex-Student 
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Hmm... None of this makes any sense,really.. I have no idea what's going on except that Ulic's going head on with the council for some reason (Better have force protect). I think everyone should go sit in their corners and listen to the Power Rangers Theme Song... Maybe it'll help. _______________ -Auron I've got l337 rock-paper-scissor skills, boi! Ok,ok.. Who wants to touch me? |
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The Council hasn't been through a harsh performance review (not that I would know) First of all, WTF do you get off seeing we need "review" What do you think you can do, impeach us? Ulic, remember, It was the JAC's that started this place all that time ago and kept it running the past year. I'm so lucky to be working with the JAC's, and as one. The JA is a fun place to be, to play games!!!! Not argue of who called who what, threaten for rediculous lawsuits, ( like that would ever hold ) Flame people, and start political wars. As for name calling, I completely agree with what Huxley stated. You're the one that dug your own grave with that post for example. Just think...if someone were a newbie to the JA, and read that post...not knowing you, or thinking it was a joke, what could go through their head? They can get a bad vibe and believe to be offensive. Thats why people leave the JA. Other things were reported statements you made in the IRC channel, which offended quite a few people. Lesson here today is think before you act. That's kind of a no brainer don't ya think?  _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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Hèlèñ¢å†hè®îñè - Student 
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mmm freshly baked double-fudge and carmel cookies....u can have my last one ulic _______________ Treat others the way you expect to be treated 
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Request still stand. Huxley, it's not about the closing of the thread. You could say "it offended some people, thread closed." But to call one racist, even on a private forum, where one comes voluntarily, is still a large deal, and considered libel. Are you saying that if I walk into your house, and you call me racist in front of others, that you are not at fault, for I was in a private place and walked in voluntarily? That won't hold up. And furthermore, nice job on editing your post, Whispy. But I like screenshots. I still have record of you calling me racist. What has been done is done. And calling me sexist, you have to hope that I do not wish to disprove that. Not trusting women, not trusting much of anyone, does not make me sexist. I don't trust Hux. Does that make me Huxist? So I've been slandered in being called a racist on Monday, a racist again on Tuesday, and now a Sexist on Wednesday. All by council members. All I need to do is disprove such accusations, and I can place you in a world of hurt. I do not seek such. Calling people racist and sexist might be acceptable to students, maybe knights, maybe even trainers. But the Council, heads of the Academy, cannot call someone something that they are not. So as of yet: 1. Hux has not apologized for the racist calling. 2. Whispy has not apologized clearly for the racist calling, but in part, only then proceeding to call me sexist. That makes things much better. 3. Whispy is still on the council. 4. The Council hasn't been through a harsh performance review (not that I would know) 5. And though I've recieved cookies, they haven't been the double-fudge and carmel.  But cookies aside, this is still a serious matter, having council members slander another. You wish for me to quit so that you do not have to sit face-to-face with your error. I will not cease to keep you accountable for your actions. I'm not doing my monthly bicthing, I'll do my job to keep you accountable. You call ANYONE racist or sexist, and they are not, I will kick and scream and yell at you. I'd be doing this if I got wind of you picking on another. Monday, I was about to revoke my slave-thing, because I saw where it had pushed others towards seriously picking on Trekked. Anyone notice that? How badly we've picked on him? I would have launched a thread telling all you shallow bastards to back off, including myself. So things get messed up from all angles. If you think I yell at you guys, you have no idea how I yell at myself. If I were council, I'd kick myself out of the Academy for doing actions which may heve lead to the ill treatment of Trekked. But it's off to class for me. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Cloaked Thunder - Student 
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MER! Can someone please tell me what an ice lolly is? pretty please? Sounds tasty but I prefer the old school ice cream sandwiches. U know, the ones with the vanilla ice cream in the middle and the chocalate wafer on each side. I love banannas! I love cookies (w or w/o milk)! Especially the chocolate chip double fudge! WooT! _______________ Padawan of ShadowSith | Close JA Family: Darth Mobility, Katan, Jedi Prodigy, Virtue,D@rth M@ul, Virtue, Flash, Bandit, Yin Yang, JK-XIII, Faded, Silk Monkey, Skyler, `Orion, Aratan, SmilyKrazy, Faded Angel, and your mom | woot!
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Silencio - Student 
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*Grabs some bananas and an ice lolly cookie* _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters |
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*hands Hux an ice lolly favoured banan* (cookies are evil, EVIL I tell you!) |
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Huxley - Retired 
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Hmm, where'd that close-thread button go again? I wont waste your time writing anything long Ulic, but if your original thread posting was really so tongue-in-cheek and non-offensive, then you shouldn't be so offended by it being closed. Lots of people have turned the other cheek to forum post closings, but you find it neccisary to create a large scene voicing your opinions, pointing fingers at EVERYONE else, and yet never even pausing for 1 moment to consider all the junk that you have done and your piss-poor attitude that you KNOW you have had for months on end, never letting ANYONE in the upper ranks help you or convince you of anything but your own personal righteousness, which you blatently show off in this thread posting, as well as the other incidents I have been involved with you on, and of course, your inability to admit when you are even out of line. Have fun at the UN, its a shame you had to turn out like you did. I remember back when you were much more 'chill' in the beginning. Then something happened, dunno but you changed for the worse, and took it out on people that you didn't need to. You have personally offended me, on several occasions. I remember several incidents of talking to you directly on the servers about your actions, and you failed to even give me the credit of acting rationally or talking properly to me, as your old friend. So I don't feel the need to apologize or take anything back that I have done, or said. I stand behind my last post, and there is nothing else to say about it from me. Enjoy your stay at the UN. I hope your future endeavors learn you well, and you don't step on the wrong toes at the UN. Because rather than a simple thread-closing, you are liable to get much more severe consequences for breaking rules and being obscene and out of line. I hope you have learned from your experiences here, and will at least consider yourself being wrong, since I'm yet to ever hear an apology for any incident you have ever been involved with here at the JA that I have personally witnessed, or had to deal with second-hand. As for your funny usage of Dictionary terms, this isn't a public forums section. This is a private one. If you look to: http://www.itts.ttu.edu/documentation/laws/lpc4.html and read about the Internet laws on public and private forums, and what constitutes which, you will find that a website, that you must sign up for, and has a screening process, and has MODERATED forums, (which is exactly what I was doing) are private, not public, and fall under general rules that the private institution decides. Furthermore, if you don't like the ideas and the way things are run around here, no one is forcing you to stay. I'm sure we will see many many more posts from you before your attempted leave of absence on Sunday, and after that point, I have a sixth-sense that there will be more posts popping up for the rest of eternity. Especially since the post you made was CLEARLY tongue-in-cheek and was a joke, and simply nothing more. And you have the inability to just accept the truths and current situations in your life, and rather piss and moan about them, making irrational statement and prejudices, thereby completely negating all the comments you say that 'the council' is doing. I think that would be called hypocrisy, but you can double-check me on that if you'd like. I'm only writing as a matter of opinion, and it does NOT necessarily reflect the views of this community, the council, or the person typing this comment. It is only the opinion of Huxley. Damnit, now look how long this ended up being. I look forward to reading your attacking and offensive comments that you will most-likely respond to this with. and ONCE AGAIN, these comments are only from Huxley, and no one else but a fictious figure, speaking in character on a private institution's website that is a volentary thing to subscribe to, and has no finnancial obligations, or restrictions to public use, only private use, when you are logged into the website. Much love, and goodnight. |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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*snags another bananna* Ulic I agree that we need a guy like you around to point out these things. Alot of bad things were thrown about in this thread but so have alot of good ideas. I like this side of you. Gets me thinking about all sorts of things.*snags another bananna when no ones looking* _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Sared - Retired 
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Adams is hilarious. Here, have a trout! _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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i think that ULIC needs some fish...i been reading Douglas Adams too... _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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bleh me dont like this post.... hmmm...i dont like bananas...pass me a ice lollie thingy helen...sounds good. i have no opinion, i am but a tool. _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Sared - Retired 
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Cookies! NO! Banana for you!!!! _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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ioshee - Student 
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What the pootytang is an "ice lolly"?!?! Can we please speak "American" here folks? But on that note, could I please have a banana flavored "ice lolly" please? As far as the actual topic of this thread, I don’t think my opinion really matters to most people so I deleted it from the hard drive I call my brain. Besides, I couldn’t say anything that hasn’t already been said or say something that has been said any better than it has already been said so I won’t say anything, in regards to the topic of this thread that is… I think I just confused myself, but I’m not sure. Sorry Doobie, I know you said “only if it’s real important” but I think you may find nothing I post is “real important.” :] But I do love everyone here. Except arcuss. He’s too gay... As in happy. You know? _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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So far, I can see both ways. I don't know exactly what Ulic said, but from the reaction, I'm taking it to have been pretty serious. From the nature of what others said, the comment was not funny and was most definitely posted in the wrong forum. As for sucking up to become Knight: I guess I would know all about that. I got enough noms and I was only here ~4 months. I guess I did a lot of ass kissing. Talking to the JATs / JACs and saying derp. Making jokes at their expense. Looks like I'm a regular brown noser. Anyway, the most important thing is this: ***FREE COOKIES FOR EVERYONE!!!*** _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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i have felt that way before but different situation _______________ Ω Allehelgens Død Helveds Rike Ω |
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I'd just like to say three things: Firstly... What some people call sucking up, others call being nice. "Oh Bob just favors you because you suck up to him" is _usually_ another way of saying "Bob is nice to you because you're nice to him" and is the sort of statement generally uttered by someone who is _not_ nice to Bob. Some will say that it's solely a matter of opinion whether a person is just being nice or sucking up, but I don't think so. There is such a thing as being insincerely nice in an effort to curry favor, and that's dishonorable and worthy of the epithet "sucking up." But whether someone is engaging in that behavior is not a matter of opinion--it's objectively true that someone either does or doesn't badmouth me behind my back when he's nice to me when I'm around, and it's an accusation no one should make lightly. I'm not aware of anybody at the Academy doing that--even the people who are ocassionally ill-mannered are at least up-front about it. Secondly... It is possible for a minority or even an individual to be right when everyone else is wrong. However, in matters of getting along with people socially, if everyone thinks I'm being a jerk, 33 years of experience tell me that the answer is unlikely to be that there's something wrong with everybody else in the world except me. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly... Look at my wookie! _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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wow,........ bananas?!,.. ,..sry,.k,..in a serious way now,..i know that i have nothing to do with the prob. here,..with the exeption that im a student too,..but ,...i just found this post today ,.and read all the comments on it,..to understand the situation,...so,...to give my 'neutral and last minute informed' opinion(that i hope it help in some how,...),..what i know so far ,..its about the prob. between mr.Ulic and the JACs,...while reading the comments i kinda saw that the ppl (most of it,..i think..)understood Ulic situation(and enjoy bananas..),...the 1 to be false acused,..at least i did,...but i dont think about some 'evil' council stuff,...what i do think,...is in the mistake of a person (or ppl)on this,...but my real 'neutral' opinion is that we ALL know that ur not a racist or a sexist,..and i think ,..thats a big part of the isssue,..now,...the other part,..the apologize 1,...i think it fair too,..but as u said,...that u would like to be the kind of guy who represents students,.to be the 1 closer to them,...then,..u should care about what THEY say  ,...and as i said ,..i think ,..most of ur fellow partners here think that ur not a racist and ur not a sexist, and that was all some kind of miss-understoodment,..so,..to end my comment,...gl on ur UN stuff _______________ '...its better to light a candle, than cursing the dark,...' -> 0_< This comment was edited by eljeton on Jun 04 2003 12:50am. |
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It just seems that Ulic needs things to complain about. Once every couple of months he goes off on one of these rants. |
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Ulic, Whispy has corrected her calling you racist into sexist which is correct. I read her post before even seeing your little libel suit threat and before she corrected it and knew she meant sexist. Its completely obvious to anyone thinking at the time of reading what she meant since all her references of it come from her being female. I think you're sexist as well so are you going to go and sue me as well? Also I am the one that said "Why don't you just start accepting KKK applications too." That was because of your slave thread. I know there are functions where there are slave for a day auctions as fundraisers and such. But I bet they don't make references to cotton fields at those locations. That's probably the reason people complained. Your tongue in cheek joke hit just too close to the line of offensiveness for some people, probably because of your cotton reference. Which is why I mentioned the idiotic KKK in my previous post here. I included right after that "It would just have been a joke right?" Did you understand the reasoning behind that? If you had included that you would have taken your joke just one step farther. I bet some people might have found it funny but they would have been the distinct minority and the people offended would have been the majority. Just one more word can be the difference between humor and offending. Once that happens you cross the line. Here's the problem though. Not every person's line is at the same distance. Those people that were offended had a line a little bit closer than others. Hux received their complaints, decided it was better to close the thread and let it fade to the bottom. He could have just deleted it or warned you too. I mean if the council is so against you why are you still here? Shouldn't they be looking for every little slip you make and be ready to warn and ban? Other people have gotten threads closed for far less Ulic. Just because it was a thread you made and it was closed doesn't mean that Hux needs to apologize to you for doing what he thought was the correct action to take at the time. That just seems highly egomaniacal. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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I edited my comment to sexism. My bad. Read previous comment for more info. _______________ "I have learned from Vergere only that there is no such thing as sides of the Force....for the side is merely a reflection of your intentions of the Force. Use it in hate, and it will be hate. Use it offensively in good, and you will find my Truth." -Jacen Solo, "Traitor", New Jedi Order |
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