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Rocket Raccoon - Student  |
how can you people call yourselves star wars fans. you should be ashamed, ASHAMED i say. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Buzz - Student 
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Star Wars is not this ultimate thing which cannot be criticized, either by fans, critics, and nonfans. Critics watch many many movies and don't always hit the mark of the public but they still do give their opinions of the movies. Non fans have either seen the movies and not liked them, or have never seen the movies and say they suck just because they are Star Wars. I'm a fan. I've seen each of the movies well over one time. And overall I like them. That doesn't mean that I think the prequels are great. In fact I think they are sad compared to the originals. Lucas's origninal focus wasn't on making the movies all digital. And you want to bring up Picasso? Ok, how would people feel if Picasso went and changed around his paintings every few years? Or for a South Park reference "What if the Beatles changed the White Album every few years?" I have every right to criticize the prequels. If they were not star wars movies then they would be considered total garbage by almost anyone. I'm a fan of the movie Dumb and Dumber. Does that mean that I have to like Dumb and Dumberer? Its got the same directors and writers I believe. So I must be obligated to like it right? How about television shows. Many shows have gone down the tubes after many seasons. If I was a fan of the show in previous seasons I have to like the newer episodes even if they are crap. How about Music? I like older Metallica but I think that a lot of their newer stuff is really crap. Do you see how stupid that is to say that you cannot criticize something because you call yourself a fan? I say that being a fan you have the ultimate right to point out the flaws in the thing that you love. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student 
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star wars has always been lucas' creation, his art. like most artists he makes it how he wants it and says if you dont like it then thats your problem. i for one applaud him for staying true to his original vision and not altering it for overly judgemental fans. these are his movies and he has every right to make them anyway he wants to. bad dialog and all. so if you dont like 'em dont watch 'em. its like telling picasso that the nose goes in the center of the face, sure it would look right, but then it would be just another portrait. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Buzz - Student
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Because he loved the original trilogy and likely likes many aspects of the expanded universe. But he is disappointed by the prequels since they are a faint shadow of everything else from star wars. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student
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how can someone be a fan of something yet hate it at the same time. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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without reading any previous comments: I'm not a star wars fan... I'm a TRUE star wars fan. therefore i can hate the prequels  _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Buzz - Student 
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Vaughn, I'd say that Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L. Jackson are more than experienced actors. And Christopher Lee, now come on. These are some great and talented actors that are given a bunch of fluff for lines and a director whos been known for directing as simply going "Faster" "More Intense" _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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well technically Episode 2 (and episode 3) aren't films since they're shot digitally  I tend to give the "classics" the title of film, just because it implies an attempt at artistic expression rather than entertainment and money (although all cinematic experiences are inherently artistic but also inherently going for money). I'd call empire strikes back a "film", but the entire collection of 5 as a "set of movies". That's just my film snob opinion though _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Vaughn - Student 
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Just a quick question, we all know the difference between films and movies... so... what would you call Star Wars, a set of films, or a set of movies? I personally think they are a set of movies. Acting wise, I have the feeling that the actors in the original trillogy were more experienced than most of the actors in the new one. As far as I know, some of the really big main characters are newer actors in the new trilogy, while most of the big main characters in the original trilogy were played by people who were much better at acting. What does that have to do with anything? I dont know _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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doobie - Jedi Council
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On the topic of Lucas directing, he once said, "The only reason I'm a director is so that I have good material for me to edit. I've always preferred being an editor to being a director." So that may explain his complete lack of skill as a director, although from a technical standpoint all of the star wars films are superbly edited. _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Rampage - Student 
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ep2 was better than ep1 i think...but still...2 much luvin, 2 little starfighting/saberfighting/war/kick*behind*'ing/forcestuff/small green dudes!! |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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It all comes down to a different taste. I'm satisfied with stupid dialogue and lots of action, and of course even more satisfied with good dialogue, but I'll watch the movies anyway  |
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Buzz - Student
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I also think that if you are someone who has read many of the Expanded Universe novels you have seen the vast number of ideas different people have brought into the star wars universe. Many of those novels contain everything that made the original movies great. Including very good dialogue and action. So I've seen what can be done by other people with what George Lucas has started. He's good at coming up with ideas and pushing for technology, but he's just not a good director anymore. He didn't direct Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi, are you going to say that those movies suffered because of him not directing? I think the prequels have suffered from his direction. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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SW is not supposed to be just about action. What kind of crap is that. The first films were not just only action. The first films had conflict, drama, romance, and heavy character development. And do you know how they got character develpopment? Through the use of a known movie tactic called DIALOGUE. I like to think of the first SW films as huge dramatic epics. They were well written, acted and directed. I like to think of the new prequals as just dumb pop corn flicks. You watch em for the graphics and thats it. Sure its not a bad thing to just mindlessly watch a movie for its graphics and action but its coming from the guy who did some of the greatest movies of all time. You tend to expect more. I shouldnt have to just settle for graphics and action. I want some emotion and drama, both of which come from well written dialogue and acting ability. Honestly, George Lucus has gotten old. When he did the first films he was young and made the films more dark. He wasnt trying to mass market everything back then. Now its as if he wants everything to be a toy or a t-shirt. He really wants to appeal to kids and younger generations. He is almost alienating the audience that grew up on his films. George Lucas is a visionary. He still a cool guy in my book. But I have to say he can not direct very well and he really doesnt know how to write a script. He should have just gone back to fleshing out the story and producing. When episode I first came out I stuck up for that film. Every time I heard someone say something bad about that film I stuck up for it. Then I started to realize that were alot of flaws in that movie that could have been avioded but were not. And then came episode II. I liked episode II more then I did episode I. But I was still dissapointed with it. It had just as many flaws at episode I. One reason that I was dissapointed was because it pretty much proved that George has really lost his touch. Basically what I trying to say is that the reason why some people were dissapointed is because they were expecting the prequals to be big epic movies like their predacesors. But they didnt turn out to be that. Instead of having drama, conflict and emotion mixed in with the action and graphics, all you got was action and graphics which is definatly not what SW is only about. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep This comment was edited by Ash on Jun 09 2003 09:57am. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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But in both LotR as SW the emphasis is on action, especially in episode I and LotR II. At least that's how I saw it. I totally agree with Vaugn about the dialogue thing |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
LotR is nothing near the same, it has the advantage that it can 'steal' lines from the books. SW is action, that is true, but that doesn't mean the acting/dialogue should be bad (they're not bad always but sometimes). |
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Vaughn - Student
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Tell me, do you go to see James Bond movies for the dialogue? Star Wars are action movies, not tragic films. If you are looking for a movie with great dialogue or great romantic scenes, you don't go see a Star Wars or a James Bond (well, maybe Bond for the witty comebacks he comes up with). My point is, Star Wars wasn't made for the dialogue or great romantic films... it was made more for the action. So I personally find, that arguments about how bad the dialogue, or how crappy the slow scenes were... what do you expect? Its an action movie, not romantic films. Also, LOTR is different, its all about the action, but its also all aobut the dialogue (try reading the books, and imagine them w/o the action, it would change the story, but im sure it wouldnt destroy everything... but alot would be different...) _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Still, they could have looked for somebody else. |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student
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on the episode 1 DVD they had the anakin screen tests. it showed two other kids auditioning, to me jake lloyd was the best by far. so, it could have been worse. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Different sense of humor I guess. I think it's really funny the way Jar Jar talks, gets into trouble and gets extremly lucky. I agree that the young Anakin is played by a bad actor. They just had to find a better actor (don't say childs can't act, because they can). I don't think the idea of a movie with a young Anakin is bad. This comment was edited by Halendor on Jun 08 2003 08:48pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I kinda have it both ways.... I don't think the prequels to be as bad as some others, but there's some of the things I can't stand. Let's use Jar-Jar (the best 'victim' ever) as an example. His appearance in the movie as a comic figure is simply not held in the same style as the originals, not saying that you can't have comic figures, his humor is just too childish and not sarcastic/dry enough. Too straight forward and more based on his ability to walk into trouble than his funny comments. At least that's how I see it. And with Anakin as a kid, his acting is simply not very good, imho. The only reason I ever noticed the lines about midiclorins (on Coruscant) was because of his poor acting. Just my opinion, hope it makes sense. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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When I saw the movies, it came to me as Jedi Knight II objectives, destroy this, then that and then everybody's happy, so I wasn't too surprised when I saw the same things in the first episode. Besides, how isn't the second Deathstar mirroring the first? That's just as 'bad'. Your point about dialogue, I don't know if that's so important. I think movies like this (same with Lord of the Rings) are just about big and overwhelming, not about dialogue. At least I'm not expecting that from this kind of movie. Then again, what is 'good dialogue'? What do you mean? What should Anakin have said? |
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Buzz - Student
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How about better dialogue for one thing. "Don't let that kiss turn into a SCAR!" Oh that's wonderful isn't it. Jar Jar is annoying comic relief. I don't think anakin should have started out as young as he did. He also had horrible dialogue. "Now this is podracing" Another thing is that I don't find the prequels to be at all original. They're a warped mirror image of the original trilogy. A Torpedo blast from Skywalker's ship destroys a large battlestation saving the day. Am I talking about The Phantom Menace or A New Hope? A chase through an asteroid belt where the ship hides on an asteroid. Attack of the Clones or Empire Strikes Back? My point isn't necessarily that the movies are bad bad. But they're not that good. George Lucas isn't a very good director and is not very good at writing dialogue. His action sequences are great but that's not the whole movie. I also think he ruined the saber fight in Episode 2. He had it all happen right at once. Nothing else going on between it so they were way too short. If you look at EVERY other Star Wars movie more scenes are occuring during the saber fights so they cut back and forth through them. And his special editions almost ruined the original trilogy. Or do you really think that even someone like Greedo could miss shooting Han first at point blank range. Or that Luke would have screamed falling down the bespin shaft. I think its better when he makes no sound. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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I don't understand why so many people hate the prequels either. Perhaps their expectations were too high? I watched IV-VI and I in 3 days and I liked them all. IV-VI was really fun because I had the special editions and you saw the special effects and the creativity of Mr. Lucas with solving special effects issues in a very clever way. I was really impressed by episode I because of all the digital special effects, which were so well done I was more focused on the story. And Jar-Jar Binks owns. So what's the bad thing about episode I? And I wonder too, how would you have liked to see the prequels then? This comment was edited by Halendor on Jun 08 2003 02:14pm. |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student
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yes i do consider a kids movie about a trade embargo and a goofy cgi character stepping in poop to be shear genius. you know, i would kinda like to know how you would make the prequels, since you obviously know more about star wars than george lucas. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Buzz - Student
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Its not that we hate the prequels. We are just disappointed by how Lucas has made them. Or do you consider a kids movie about a trade embargo with a goofy CGI character stepping in poop to be shear genius and up to par with any part of the original trilogy. I think that if you have to say that the saber fight in The Phantom Menace makes up for the rest of the movie, or if the last 30 minutes of attack of the clones makes up for the rest of the movie. THEN IT WASN'T A GOOD MOVIE!! It was a good saber fight. It was a good final thirty minutes. But the rest wasn't good and that's what's disappointing. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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