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Aeth S'kray - Retired  |
Well... I've played with the idea with getting into html. For it's quite some work, I want o ask if ayone (DJ?) has expierence with it, and if it's worth learning  _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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either that ir use javascript which is another language in itself What I do though for my javascript is copy and paste these sort of guide things of a site then customize them (and yes its all perfectly legal, the site has instructions on where to paste the stuff) http://javascript.internet.com/ _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side 
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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It looks like that menu is in a frame by itself and has it's own background to act as that "transparent" effect you're seeing. He's using CSS to make th background non repeating (which the JA site does as well), but this doesn't work in some older browsers. The menu text is just displayed over it. For what it's worth this is NOT the way to do it. The author used tons of line breaks (<br> tags) and non-breaking spaces ( 's) to space out his lettering. Since different users and different browsers display text differently it can look REALLY off in some browsers (like myself, using netscape 7 in Solaris). If you're going to do something like that it's best to space out that per pixel, and specify size via CSS. If you want to do funky table management stuff you can do that too, but that may look odd in some browsers. Hell the CSS option will look like crap in some older browsers. :/ What's more this guy uses some wacky ass font in his menu: <font size="5" face="Psuedo Saudi"> Since my system doesn't have that weird assed font it will display the text in the browsers default font, which in my case is Times. When you're using fonts use fonts that are common to most OS's. The JA site uses the font face "Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica". If the system can't find that 1st font it tries the next font in the list. Stick to fonts like times, Courier, Arial*, Helvetica, Verdana**, Tahoma**. Stay FAR away from stylized fonts like Star Wars fonts and the dippy font this moron guy uses. Check this out too: <font size="4"><font size="4"><font size="5"><font size="4" face="Palatino Linotype"><font size="2">*lots of spaces followed by a single link*</font></font></font></font><br> Look at all that useless font nesting. All that does is make the page render slower and download slower. I bet this guy likes to put on 5 tshirts over his sweater before heading to the pool too!  My $0.02. * Arial = Helvetica. The design industry calls the font "Helvetica". the name "Arial" is some hokey assed Microsoft thing. If you use Arial as a font ALWAYS include Helvetica with it. ** Verdana and Tahoma are common to windows systems and to most Mac's, but are rare to be seen on many UNIX's. People need to install a Microsoft font package to read em. But UNIX users are pretty rare, so you're not alienating tooo many people by choosing to use Tahoma or Verdana. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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well, thanks for all your input. i have some nice webtutorials already, but it just looks way much to learn. all those different commands  and it kinda sucks to look it up everytime you need it.well anyway, i'm going with a combo of dreamweaver wysiwyg+code right now. its so much easier to just mark a text and click a button than addin <stronger></stronger> around it. especially with those stuff more complicated... anyway, i think i'll just play around with it first question already: how can i get for example a tabel partly transparent? like the nav-menue on this site: http://www.nagfar.de/Hauptseite.htm _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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guess why most sites only work on a browser thats not even very W3C compliant.. only ? coz they use that sort of fancy shmance tools. I worked as a web designer - and I wasn't that bad, I think - my sites were hand-made, lightweight, fast and small - and I got payed good money - w/o using too much of the fancy shmancy programs like dreamweaver, golive or *yuck* frontpage.... _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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when you become a totally l337 HTML d00d you can make whole amazing style webpages using nothing more than notepad But why you'd want to do that when you can use extra tools and stuff to save time and make it easier is beyond me..... _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Demon - Student 
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Dreamwaver generates a lot of useless code. The best way to learn and make sites is notepad and to use some kind of tut, like the one I posted earlier. _______________ Quote: Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force will free me. -The Code of The Sith
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Kueller - Student 
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Dreamweaver really doesn't add much shit. ONly Frontpage does that much. Dreamweaver is really clean. And it's enough for us "non-prof's". I agree with ya that on a more advanced level you shoudl quit those editors. But I think you learn well from DW. _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills 
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council
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Oh yeah.. something else that's cool to learn is viewing the source of other sites to see how they do certain things. Warning.. if you try to do this with the JA site you may not get the best looking code.. My PHP currently doesn't generate the prettiest html just yet. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Sniya - Student 
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ive recently started doing the very same thing,im doing ok but i know one gem 1st page 2000 vr2.Its great it starts at easy lv with lots of easy stuff but no advanced, then you can change to normal etc all the way to hardcore.The bit i like best is that on every page you can edit and quicly see it in a web page view format. the sites www.evrsoft.com but thier download was bust last time i cheaked,but thiers plenty of reviews with links to downloads that work,so a little google will be fine. oh and they give you 450 free scripts _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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TheBeast - Ex-Student 
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I'll side with Kueller on this one I just learn HTML, well about 3 month ago... but still I didn't know s*** about it and I started to use Dreamweaver MX (version 6 I think). The good thing about this is you kinda know what you want... you let Dreamweaver do it for you and then you got check out what it wrote... and at last you start to understand what it all means. Well "web" language are not that hard to learn... and I learned PHP at the same time...quite handy for cool looking dynamic web pages EDIT: Like the JA one _______________ "Taken separatly, women and alcool can be quite fun, but when you mix them they can make you a dumbass!" - Red, That 70's show "Fez likes them big, Fez likes them small... Fez likes them all" - Fez about women, That 70's show This comment was edited by TheBeast on Jun 10 2003 06:06pm. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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yep and its way more fun to write HTML using UltraEdit or some derivate no need for fancy shmancy tools _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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!! all these flashy tools !! heck I just used to use notepad to write html get yourself a easy handbook and its like a walk in the park |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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If you can I'd reccomend you pick up HTML by hand. WYSIWYG editors like dreamweaver and *shudder* frontpage tend to add unecessary junk into your markup, although recent versions of these programs don't do this as much. I 1st learned HTML by futzing around with Netscape 3 Gold back in the day and seeing what made something bold, made a table, etc. If you're looking for a book on it I highly reccomend the visual quickstart guide to HTML. It's cheap and to the point. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Demon - Student
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http://www.trainingtools.com/online/html/index.htm _______________ Quote: Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force will free me. -The Code of The Sith
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Jake Kainite - Student
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html is totally pants to learn, I thought it was all sort of tricky coding stuff, but when you do C and C++ its like comparing 1+1 to some well tricky and unsolveable problem Learning Html is good, but personally I've never seen the problem with just drag and drop things like frontpgae. Sure they may not be as easy to customise and get EXACTLY what you want, but if you just wnat a quick page to go up, which still looks pretty sweet, just use that _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Aron - Retired 
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Html is quite easy to learn, really. Just look on google for html tutorials If you have any questions about html, just ask me |
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Kueller - Student
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I used Dreamweaver to learn it slowly piece by piece. When you're into the basic stuff, buy a book for advanced users. That way you avoid wasting money in stuff that you find out you don't use a half year later. And if you do use it after a half year, you can buy the book. _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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