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Ruuk Haviser - Retired  |
Check out what he has written. Anybody have anything else to add? ---------- Section 4: Rules All below rules are about respect and using your head. Do not do anything stupid and you will stay out of trouble. There are a few special rules and etiquettes you must follow though to show your fellow students your respect. Chatting - do not attack someone while the chat icon is above his / her head - do not abuse the above rule by constantly bringing up the console during a fight Duelling After you accepted a saber challenge or an opponent has accepted yours (default key: [K]), you and your opponent follow a special procedure to show eachother your mutual respect. - bow (chrouch [C] and move your view down [MOUSE]) - saber out (release chrouch, stand up and press [1] to bring your saber out) - attack (wait for your opponent to bring saber out as well, then attack) During the duel, you should not attack your opponent while the chat icon is above his / her head or when he / she lowers his saber and stands still. When an opponent lowers his saber but is still moving, it is usually a trick to hide the saber stance they’re using, so you are free to attack them. When either of you dies, the duel is over. You thank your opponent for the duel by typing “good fight”, or something similar. Classes - listen to the teacher and follow his instructions - stick to the topic, do not start talking or asking about completly different subjects - if you have to wait while other students do an exercise, try to learn from the things the participating students are doing right or wrong, do not move around and do not annoy other students and / or teachers Weapons - do not take weapons inside the temple (jedi_academy map) or lower level (advent2 map) - do not mine the courtyard door (jedi_academy map) - do not start a Free-For-All (FFA) fight unless everyone has agreed to one - make sure you remove (shoot) all your mines before leaving the server Scripting The only legal script is the Official Jedi-Academy Script ([LINK HERE]), all other scripts that give you an unfair advantage above the other players. It is also illegal to bind moves (combos, dfa’s), but of course you are free to bind text (bind [KEY] “say [TEXT]”). Breaking the Rules If you break the rules, you get a warning and you’ll have to explain yourself to a teacher, knight or council member plus you will get kicked from the server. After two warnings your account will be, permanently or temporarily, removed and you will be banned from the servers and IRC channels. If you re-register before your account is activated again, you will be banned permanently. If you see someone breaking the rules, try to explain to the rulebreaker what rule he / she is breaking and ask them politely to stop. Do not fight back, you will lower yourself to their level and it will only worsen the situation. If this doesn’t work, go to mIRC (#jedi-academy on Quakenet) and try to find a trainer, knight or council member to solve the situation. If there is noone available, make a demo and a screenshot and send it to one of the council members. Reports are only valid if they are backed up by a demo and a screenshot of the said act or there are two teachers who are able to confirm the report. This is all I can think of right now, you might want to shift around the way the rules are ordered, and perhaps post it in the holocron-forum so people can make suggestions about adding, removing or editing rules. ------------- -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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Ah, phooey.  I'm outnumbered (and outranked!) here...so, whatever you guys want to do it fine. Anybody ever heard the one about someone making a mountain out of a molehill...? No, that couldn't POSSIBLY be me.   Carry on! -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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Ruuk, rules are for the dumb. If everyone was perfect, we would not need any rules at all. Too bad that none of us is perfect, and the more we are, the dumber we get. What did K say in MIB? "One human beeing is an intelligent individual, a crowd of human beeings are silly, hysterical animals" Anyway, we are getting a bit away of topic, are we? If you dont like it, just kick the lunch out, maybe you will understand me some time later But we all gonna die of hunger withut lunch, you know that, right? _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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Ummm... Hmm. *thinks* *thinks some more* Well, what you say is true, Jake. However, rules and basic codes of conduct are a necessary requirement for _all_ societies, whether RL or online. That's one of the many reasons for (oh, here we go) religions. They attempt to show the disciples/followers/members of various societies how they are supposed to act and not act. You cannot - I repeat - cannot have a group of individuals get along peacefully without establishing some sort of mutual understanding of how each person is going to be able to act without infringing upon another person's rights. And the only way to do this is by having it written down. Although most people will be fine within JA, those who act up need something...and that something is a list of rules posted on a wall...on which the enforcers can drag the accused and rub their noses. Without mutually agreed-upon rules, anything you say has no teeth. And finally, if people aren't punished according to those rules...what's the entire point of adhering to a code of conduct? You need some sort of baseline of what's acceptible and not acceptible. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... This comment was edited by Ruuk Haviser on Jun 21 2003 03:44pm. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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JAK's and other people shouldn't have to resolve any arguments. I'd like to think that most students here are mature enough to settle their differences or just forget about it..... Just cos people can be punished, doesn't mean they should _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side 
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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Sent to DJ. Waiting...waiting...waiting... Halendor - I can see, however, the point Aeth is trying to make. *thinks* You sure a little comment at the end - not about lunch - but about reminding people that this _is_ a game, bleah, bleah, wouldn't be...I don't know if this is the right word, but...helpful? Kind of a "mild shock" back into reality? Like, we (the Holocron staff) realize _ourselves_ that we're dealing with a game and aren't full of some sort of simulated...uh, I mean, aren't too obsessed with...oh, hell, that we realize that RL (tm) is far more important and we're basically just playin' around. (Even though we spend a great deal of time and intellectual and emotional energy on it.) Whew. Finally got that out. Aeth - Although I can understand where you're coming from, I'm not sure how much _use_ it would be. If the rules are supposed to be there to help people understand the formal and informal framework of your actions within JA, does it really and truly help to remind people HERE, in this section, about calming down and providing don't-get-worked-up-this-is-only-a-game comments? Seems like these are things JAK's and other high muckity-mucks should be saying to students/players in the heat of the argument. Crimeny. How's that for sitting on the fence regarding this issue? -rh _______________ Back from the dead... This comment was edited by Ruuk Haviser on Jun 21 2003 03:11pm. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired
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sometimes circles are the straightest lines _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I've sent my piece to Ruuk, and he'll send it to the council. Always get a second opinion Oh and about the lunch thing. I remembered the part about lowering yourself to their level the most, but I want the rules to be constructive, helpful, direct, strict and clear. No lunch. This comment was edited by Halendor on Jun 20 2003 11:07pm. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired
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Halendor: Screw the rules They're pretty much out of date. You can get a warning while NOT beeing on a server, and how could you get kicked from it without even beeing there? And kicks are NOT always followed by a warning. I wuld liek to see it more seperated, that a kick is not the same as a warning. Sorry about picking so much, but you know, rules are a delicat thing to write You can ask the council if you want, but you can just trust me aswell. Personally, the most important thing I saw in the rules was the lunch part. It's not about the lunch, it's about the way you should handle situations. Dont screw around, even if you *are* right, lean back, relax, do something else. That's what it tries to tell you. It's actually the part I remeber best of the rules, but that's just my personal view. *buzzes of* _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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well, here's my 2 cents on the permanent ban thingie: loaf got a permanent ban after coming back with a new acount and I know some others who did and were never again allowed to show their face again (spawn and blade?). so I think that if you come back with a new account before haveing the old one reactivated gets you a nice shiny permanent ban. having two acounts gives you a ban as well btw, but only temporary as far as I know. _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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Halendor- Tell Aeth to buzz off. I know what you're doing, and will label the section number/header appropriately. Send that thing to me when yer done updating it. K? K. Aeth- Just kidding. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Thanks for the critizism Aeth. I couldn't find this part anywhere in the index of the Holocron (http://www.8ung.at/ninja-sith/holocron/JAH-Index.doc), so I just named it section 4 because it was the 4th thing that Ruuk needed help with. Please tell me what I should call it Quote from the current rules: "If you are found to be guilty of violating these rules, you will get two chances. The first chance will be a verbal warning from either massadoobie, DJ Sith, or a trainer, and you will be kicked from the server. You will then need to talk to either (and only) massadoobie or DJ Sith to explain your actions. After the second warning or infraction, you will be banned from the servers and the IRC channel and will receive no other chances." It states that after a first warning you will be kicked from the server. I won't change this until one of the council members says it can be changed I'm not sure about the re-registering permanent ban, but Exar told me. Perhaps I should change it to "if (...) you're in real trouble", or something like that. About the lunch... Er... No! The situation is already solved by recording a demo and taking a screenshot (or any of the other solutions), so there is no need for people to go and eat lunch 8)Updated: http://members.lycos.nl/mcpmapping/rules2.doc This comment was edited by Halendor on Jun 20 2003 12:39pm. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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MoS- You know, it's people like you that... whoops, can't say that here. Family place and all. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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If they fall down, destroy them. Nothing better than kicking your *enemy* when they're down. Screw that hippy shit where everyone helps each other, has long hair, and resolves issues through song.  Make the ending statements personal. Don't say gf to everyone you duel. If it was a close duel, compliment them; if you destroyed them, it probably wasn't a good fight. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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Ok, Jake. As usual, Aeth has some good comments. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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Nice Some comments though: -It's not a section -"They can’t defend themselves or fight back if you attack them." I think this is twice the same thing -It is not a rule to say "gf". In fact, all the dueling part is in my opinion opontional. Why not redoformulate it into something like: "Theese are no rules you *must* follow but you *should*. Violating any of theese guidelines is considered very unfriendly and will create hostility" Or something like that... -add a "Keep chatter to a minium during class"-part. Its annoyning to have everybody saying "lol" or "right" after the teacher made a joke or explained something. its considered good behaviour to keep your mouth closed, beside you really have something to say regarding the topic. -i would let go of the "binds" part. the forbidding of scripts is enough see, if you start telling them that they may bind text, you would have to tell them that they are allowed to bind emotes aswell. and models. and saber colours... get it? -warning is not serverkick! not every warning will be followed with a kick and not every kick follows a warning! just mention you may also be kicked from servers for violating rules. -"If you re-register before your account is activated again, you will be banned permanently." are you sure? -add one last part to the very end, something about having lunch this is the originaly quote from the rules " If someone is bothering you tell a trainer. If it continues, go eat lunch or something and calm down, just avoid getting yourself in trouble." add something like this sorry for mocking so much, i'm a perfectionist good job _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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pah dishounarble, its a game ruuk You wouldn't say someone doing a normal swing on you is dishonourable would you ? Anyway we've had this argument many a time all over the forums It isn't a rule, but it isn't really a guideline either, it basically comes down to the opinion of the person writing it.... _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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Yeah, I thought it was dishonorable to be attacked while you were down. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Jake, read the link I posted. I made a difference between rules you have to follow, and a few optional guidelines (which includes the knocked down opponents-thing). I put it in because some dislike being attacked while knocked down, and I want to prevent confusion about what is a rule and what is a guideline. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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the knocked down thing, I'm confused. You are gonna put it in ? If you do don't say its against the rules, cheap or un-honourable any of that poo _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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OK, I will change bow and not attacking while down to recommended. Waiting for someone to ignite saber is obliged, I think. MoS, I explained the duelling rules already (showing restecpa ), but I will do it for the chatting as well.I'm also think I'm going to change the lay-out, because this looks a bit chaotic and random Edit: Updated. View correct lay-out and changes here: http://members.lycos.nl/mcpmapping/rules.doc This comment was edited by Halendor on Jun 18 2003 10:51am. |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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yeah take out the bow thing I'm surprised he didn't put anything about being hit when knocked down which is good.... Apart from that, yeah it looks pretty good _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Mune - Student 
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Great jorb! One small little constructive criticism note, though: it's not generally required to bow. Some people really don't like to do it, because they claim it's just a "game". Maybe it should be recommended you bow, or at least have the decency let the other person do it if they wish. BTW: Apparantly, the old link to the script is out of date. I'm gonna run to DJ to see if he'd wanna host it on this server, as I tried using thejediacademy.net stead of academy.jediknightii.net... hmmm _______________ Captain Barkeep. This comment was edited by Mune on Jun 18 2003 03:10am. |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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For the chatting and duel procedures, explain why. Great work Hal! _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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