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_cmad_ - ex-Student  |
In ep1 we c that the Jedi Council is in Coruscant. We also c that Palpatine/Sidious was in Coruscant as well! Y didn't the Jedis sense his presence?? The force was especially strong in him. All the Jedi Masters in the Council didn't sense him (even Yoda!). But what about the other Jedi Master, QuiGon who came face to face with him??? What does this mean? In ep5 we c that Palpatine senses Luke (his powers) from a great distance. Does this mean that ONLY the DarkSiders can sense poweful ppl? Not the LightSiders? I am very confused...  _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. This post was edited by _cmad_ on Sep 10 2003 10:07am. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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LOL java i understand you completely. just wanted to say that the part in Ep II where palpatine completes a sentence goes something like this: they all enter. they talk about padme being in danger. padme says "but i don't think..." and then palpatine says "...the situation is that serious? ohh but i do, senator.." something along those lines. when he says that, you are right, yoda looks at him with these suspecting eyes and his mouth twitches a bit. but you can tell he cannot EXACTLY tell what's going on. about assuming that palpatine is darth sidius: remember he talks to anakin in Ep II and says that his patience has paid off. anakin says "your guidance, more than my patience". this already shows us that there's some kind of master-padawan relationship between them. palpatine also says that he sees him becoming even more powerful than yoda and so on and so forth... that is kind of hard to explain if palpatine is not sidius. unless, as you said, they are both sith and anakin just transfers from one to the other. i guess we'll just have to see about all that. interesting stuff though  _______________ make install -not war |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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"The Dark Side clouds everything..." Well, okay, but Yoda KNEW that it was the Dark Side clouding the future. At other times he said that the future is always in motion and that he couldn't always tell what was going to happen. Jedi prescience is not 100% accurate, not even for Yoda. When Yoda said the Dark Side was clouding everything, he knew that there could have been other explanations for his being unable to tell whether there would be war (that was the context in which he made that statement), but that in this case he knew that those other possible explanations were not the case. He specifically stated that it was the Dark Side. He knew. "Ah, difficult to see is the Dark Side!" There's your answer. The wisest and most powerful of the Jedi are not omniscient. They see the future--though not perfectly because it's always in motion--but they can miss things. Yoda knew that the Dark Side was clouding everything in Ep II, and he knew it was the Dark Side, but in Ep I he himself admitted that he was blindsided by the return of the Sith. Sometimes he could tell, and sometimes he could not. Yoda remarks in Ep II that a lot of the Jedi are becoming arrogant, and that could be part of the problem. Palpatine too could see the future with remarkable clarity and thus made an almost unbeatable military commander against the Rebel Alliance, but he couldn't sense Luke's presence on the Endor moon. He was curious that Vader could--he should have known he had a serious problem right there and then. There's a scene in the beginning of Ep II where Palpatine finishes someone else's sentence, and it's not a sentence that one would obviously know the ending of. Yoda gives him a concerned look, but you have to be paying attention to catch it and to realize what he's thinking, and there's not further reference to it. The movie doesn't beat you over the head with it, and it was when I saw that scene that I knew I was going to like Ep II a lot better than Ep I. Another possibility...We've all assumed the Palpatine is Darth Sidious. We know that Palpatine becomes the Emperor, so it's easy to assume that he's Darth Sidious. The movies certainly imply that, but they don't state it outright. I scanned the credits at the end of Ep I, and if they say who played Sidious, I certainly missed it. I haven't checked Ep II yet. Palpatine is corrupt and ripe for temptation by the Dark Side, but what if he's not Sidious? I don't recall the Emperor being called Darth Sidious in episodes IV-VI. Perhaps Palpatine turns to the Dark Side in Ep III. Perhaps Palpatine succeeds Dooku as the Sith apprentice and then slays his master (evil-doers have chronic loyalty problems in their organization). Then he takes on Annakin as his apprentice. Or perhaps Annakin becomes apprentice to Sidious, and _then_ Palpatine, having recently discovered his latent talent, surprises everyone by being more evil and powerful than Sidious and persuades Annakin to kill his master and follow Palpatine instead (it would explain why Vader was called Darth while the Emperor was not). This would explain why the Jedi didn't sense the Sith on Coruscant. In Ep I we see Sidious and Maul walking around a city that we assume--but are never actually told--is Coruscant. Maybe they're on another planet entirely. For one thing, even if the Jedi didn't sense Maul, they would have seen him walking around town in that outrageous getup. I'm hoping for, if not that, then at least _some_ unexpected plot twist in Ep III. The unexpected is what keeps Star Wars enjoyable--like when Vader first starts looking back and forth between the Emperor and his dying son and the viewer suddenly realizes that Luke might really have been right about his being salvagable. I thought Ep II would have been much better if the story Dooku told Obi Wan had turned out to be the truth, that Dooku really was the good guy and that the Jedi Council was deceived into fighting on the wrong side. Just give me _something_ in Ep III that isn't predictable! _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Lancer007 - Student 
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The Sith Have the ability to block or dominate minds In other words they block visions of the force. |
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Rei D'Kana - Ex-Student |
The dark side clouds everything. That pretty much explains it |
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Apologetic - Student 
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look at it this way there 2 yodas 1 here and 1 in force world he sees everything here in force world and then the dark sode coms and fogs is there now yoda cant c. (force world w/ little bunnys and flowers w/ yoda skipping in the distance lol j/k) _______________ Love GOD and jesus as they love u  [move]We defend the peace and help the helpless we r the mandilorian jedi troops![/move] |
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Muad'dib - Student 
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2 things: first, Yinyang, in the EU, Palpatine clones keep popping up left right and center. I mean Luke could hardly walk down the street to the local 7-11 without >DA-DUM!< "So, young Skywalker! I have returned more powerful than--urk!" (Luke slices him in half, yawns, and keeps walking). So you see palpatines clones aren't really a problem for the Jedi (i.e. Luke) so much as a nuisance, like a somewhat persistant itch in hard to reach areas. Secondly, and something I've been wondering for quite a while but haven't seen anyone else ask: who taught palpatine? Obviously he didn't go down to the library and check out all the books like "Darkside for Dummies", "Sith Lording Made Easy: 50 effective methods to wipe out the Jedi", or "Sams Teach Yourself the Sith Ways in 24 Hours". Also, If he's so powerful in the force, why wasn't he taken by the Jedi for training as a kid? And if they interviewed him and found him to be too angry or something like that, didn't they keep records that he had phenomenal cosmic powers? Frankly I think the Jedi are focusing too much on lightsaber combat and not enough on Business Administration. Obviously if they kept better track of things like this they could've prevented alot of unpleasantries. And in the end, isn't that what it's all about?  _______________ "It's because I love you. No. It's because I love you" Oh, Anakin, you're eloquence is second to none. I AM THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES! |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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what i think and this is just a hunch I believe that theres a clone of palpatine that the real 1 is controlling since in ep 2 they have clones im thinkin that palpatine made a clone of himself so the jedi cant sense em thats just a thought tho _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . This comment was edited by YinYang on Jun 28 2003 03:27am. |
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Demon - Student 
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"The Dark side shrouge everything. Impossible to see, the future is." Enough said. _______________ Quote: Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force will free me. -The Code of The Sith
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Vaughn - Student 
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well, one of the things you can do in the force is hide your presence, as well as making your presence known. I guess the emperor wanted to hide his presence, and Vader wanted to make it known to Luke that he was there. Thats just my guess _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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crazy_hacker - Ex-Student 
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its not complicated, u close ur eyes, say "i sense a disturbance in the force" then start the starwars music _______________ if at first you dont succeed, try and try again. if you still dont succeed, youve just wasted a whole lot of time trying something you just cant do
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Buzz - Student 
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Don't forget though, Luke was right on Endor while the Emperor was on the Death Star. He couldn't sense him then, but Vader could. Likewise Luke could sense Vader. Its probably quite the complex system in how to sense someone and how to hide. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Lancer007 - Student 
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No it's not that madex, Darth Sidious was using the Dark side to cloud the Jedis visions of the force. |
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KickerNeo - Student 
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hey...yoda did give him a look in epII.  _______________ "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."-Albert Einstein |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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lol german tourists... anyway.... It seems quite unrealistic to me, as even Yoda has to hide on Dagobah near a cavern where a powerful dark jedi once lived - so to avoid being sensed by the Emperor.... Also Exar Kun is being sensed by the Jedi Students in the books.... Hope this is well explained in Ep III - but I fear not. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
There was nothing about the outfit, only that they were disguised as tourists. I don't think they mean german tourists though. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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tourists ? like straw hats, sandals and shorts ? _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Also, in Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter is it told that Maul and Palpy disguised as tourists and stood right outside the Jedi Temple watching the Jedi. It was Palpy's powers which kept them hidden in the Force. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Palpatine was obviously well trained in clouding the Force. And definitely well trained in hiding his presence. To hide his presence he would have to know what it would look like to others as well so its probably a double whammy of abilities. He can hide his presence in the Force and sense others in it with ease. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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the dark side clouds.im sure the jedi where confused as well  the shrowd of the dark side has fallen.. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 24 2003 10:11pm. |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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No they're not cowards! But thx Jake! BTW: How come I see 2 comments (in the web site), but here there r 3 comments.... It happened before when there was TiTo's only..... Duh! _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. This comment was edited by _cmad_ on Jun 24 2003 08:58am. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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"The shroud of the darkside clouds everything" "Hard to see, the darkside it" It is possibly for Jedi/Darksiders etc to hide themselves from the force if they are trained in it. This is what the sith do, they hide and cause corruption from within, slowly building up power so they can control everything. Basically, the Sith are cowards _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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TiTO ur scaring me get lost m8 This comment was edited by D@RtHM@UL on Jun 24 2003 08:53am. |
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