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Lord Exar Kun - Student  |
Hey, with a war in Iraq comming up, I just wondered what you guys have got to say about Bush and his war-politics. I personally think Bush is goin way too far with his war-on-terrorism. _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student 
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Every contributer to this thread should be given a medal.
[Gives out medals] And all I will say is that a war between America and Iraq will be dangerous because :- The US has a huuuuge amount of firepower in the gulf and will try and kill the enemy from distance . This increases the chances of innocents dying and Saddam surviving (in my view) Saddam is like a mad dog that is in a corner and surrounded by dog-catchers. The dog catchers (Americans/US) need to take it slow, calm the animal down and then capture the animal with causeing as little damage as possible. REMEMBER, a cornered animal will be unpredictable , extremely dangerous and will use ANY method to get away from danger, Repaeat :ANY METHOD. A great man once said 'Jaw Jaw is better that War War' Adil.. |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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yeah, I don't know why every1 keeps on writing these long posts either  _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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ioshee - Student 
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Hehe. I was just reading the title of this thread again and I'm just going to answer that question directly: No. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Gabba - Ex-Student 
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just want to thank Colonl d on 1bigcommunitys, civilization forum for this info.
this was posted to ask what had lead to Saddam invadeing Kuwait, turns out that Kuwait was stealing Iraqi oil by slant drilling on the border ________________________________________________ Quote Colonel D Civ forum 1bigcommunity The slant drilling by Kuwait is true. See the article ''The Joys of Brotherhood'' written in The Economist dated 30 July 1990. Hussein had a LOT of legitimate reasons to be angry with Kuwait. Not only were the Kuwatis stealing oil, they were demanding repayment of their portion of over $10 Billion Iraq had been loaned to fight the Iranians to ''stop the Iranian Islamic Revolution'' from spreading to the rest of the gulf states. The Kuwaitis then broke their agreement with OPEC (only three weeks previously) and began over-producing oil. Every dollar lopped off the cost of a barrel of oil cost Iraq another billion dollars in oil revenue. So, Saddam was broke and his brother Arabs were stealing from him, demanding payment on loans and making it tougher for him to repay his loans by driving down the cost of his oil. I'd have been angry, too. _______________ Sit vis nobiscum. This comment was edited by Gabba on Jan 19 2003 07:08pm. |
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Kalheka - Student 
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DJ your a tough cookie. 
Sniya, you hit on something earlier, and also now we have the added dimension to the conversation about weapons of mass desctruction. You say you don't want a war, that it should be avoided. I agree. Consider this though, the whole reason we are having a problem with saddam is because HE invaded a foreign nation (Kuwait) and they asked for help. Yes, Kuwait did ask us for help people. Saddam is willing to do anything. War can't be avoided with this man because it's what HE wants. If he didn't want to be at war he would have been cooperating all this time with the UN. Instead he's been fighting this whole time to keep weapons in his hand so that he can go after somebody else. I seriously consider Saddam to be of the same mindset as Adolf Hitler, he is a fanatic and unwilling to allow others to live in peace. I don't want a war, but you can't back down from one either in the face of a man like this. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Should we go to an actual war? (More than bombing targets in the no fly zones like we've been doing for the past decade) Hell no. Want to piss off every arab on the planet with a pre-emptive strike? Hey start a war!
Is Iraq stockpiling weapons of mass destruction? Most liekly, although I have yet to see DIRECT evidence of it (empty old shell casings don't count). I firmly believe that we should not attack Iraq unless: a) we are attacked first. b) it is art of a completely UN endorsed strike where other countries pull their share of the manpower and supply. We Americans were raised on the concepts of truth and justice. Throwing the first punch is NOT the way to get this done. Cooler heads will prevail. But we'll probably go to war anyways. I believe that my President is a loathsome idiot, who will do anything he wants to defend his messed up view on God, morals, and the world. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Sniya - Student 
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We all are pretty certain Iraq has got weapons of mass destruction but america is demanding war. _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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ioshee - Student 
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I agree. Jedi keep the peace and don't attack for power and prestige. They defend right? So does that mean we should let a country who hates America make weapons of mass destruction. Then just sit here and open our mouths to try to catch the bombs when they come down on us?
If you are going to relate this to Star Wars then think of this. The council sent Obi Wan to investigate. That is what America is trying to do in Iraq, investigate. Why won't they let inspectors in? Are they trying to hide something. I don't want a war. I just think Iraq needs to give up its pride and succumb to Americas wishes. America going in to Iraq does not go against the U.N. agreement. As Kalheka said, that was one of the things agreed to at the end of the Gulf War. Now Iraq is not following their end of the bargain. In doing so they have given up their rights. Gaba, insinuating that people are unintelligent because they do not agree with your views is an emotional response. A Jedi is above that. I like Vaughn's 3rd alternative best. But it would have to be JK2 _______________ One of the Belouve boys This comment was edited by ioshee on Jan 19 2003 01:42pm. |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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hehe, yes gabba, we ARE jedi you know...the peacekeepers of the galaxy! _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Sniya - Student 
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Ahh but gabba we are all one with the light side of the force for we all Know
fear leads to anger. anger leads to hate.Hate leads to sufferringgg. _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Gabba - Ex-Student 
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Its amazing, im with a civilization forum and we have been decusing this over 4 threads, i would be the only one who cannot see the point with a war in that forum, i saw the thread hear and thought "ohno not again" but i see far more inteligent aguments hear for no war, thean there is there for a war.  _______________ Sit vis nobiscum. |
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Sniya - Student
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they're a couple of things the us are breaking (i know this because i did a debate in school on this very subject!)the pact of paris-made after world war 2 one of the bits says that u cant envade someone for what theyre doing in thier country.
and i cant remember the name of it but a U.N. thingy that says that members of the U.N. must solve things peacefully. Thats mainly why they needed a special U.N. resololution.[woop this is my 150th comment) oh and while im here does anyone know were i could get a cheap Vodaphone Nokia? _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Vaughn - Student 
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ok, here are three (3) suggestions on how to avert war.
1. arrange a conference. Sit down with the other person, and talk it over. Tell them what they are doign wrong, tell them how you think they should rectify it, and tell them what you want from them. They do the same for you. An agreement comes out (on paper) and you shake/sign it. Simple. 2 (less practical) The heads of the countries sit down, and have a good old Rock Paper Scisors match. Who wins, wins, who loses, loses. and the 3rd put them on a server on some game (jk2, cs, ra2, etc), and let them have a full out brawl. Those are ways that could work, only im sure the 2nd anbd 3rd arent practical :p _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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ioshee - Student
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Ha Ha. Everyone knows that the U.S. is above the law. NOW BOW BEFORE THE MIGHTY AMERICA!!!
j/k No really Exar what do you mean? Give me specifics because I am very naive on this subject. Bubu I almost peed my pants when I read your last post. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student
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The US themself arnt obeying the rules of the UN, why don't we have a look at that first? _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Sniya - Student
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this is not the right way to go about peace.War should be avoided.It seems that bush and blair are insisting on war,im preety sure saddam has got weapons of mass destruction.But we should be insisting on peaceful meathods rather than warlike ones _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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am not mad at you 
hehe good point too. i say: NUKE 'EM ALL!!! j/k
p.s. i love you too ioshee... _______________ make install -not war |
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ioshee - Student
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That is a good point Bubu. I don’t have or want the right to kill someone. Let me ask a hypothetical.
There are two groups of people. Five blue people and ten red people. The 10 red people attack the 5 blues for fun. The 5 blues could have defended themselves but it would have meant that all 10 reds would have died. So instead all 5 blues die. Did it turn out for the best because only 5 died instead of 10? I mean are we talking strictly numbers or is there right and wrong? It just seams like people who are dead set against war don’t take into consideration how much goes on before it gets to that point. I hate war. But it isn’t just about death and honor and all that. BTW I love you Bubu. Don’t be mad at me. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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lol ioshee..
think of it this way: do you have the right to take away someone else's life? does your neighbor? does your enemy? does anyone? then why is it different when it comes to millions of people killing each other in the name of war? suddenly it becomes courage and honor. to me it's nothing but murder. _______________ make install -not war |
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ioshee - Student
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I agree with Kalheka. Iraq is not listening to their master. No offence Vaughn, but every Canadian I've heard state an opinion about The attack on the World Trade Center basically echoes yours. It comes down to pride I think. Most Americans were outraged and wanted revenge. As any other country would have. Revenge is an emotional desire that I can sympathize with but do not condone. I don't think revenge is the answer and I think W. Bush would agree with me. Everyone seems quick to say that there are alternatives to war, but no one ever gives any. Well not any that are based in reality anyway. What is so horrible about war? I’m not saying I love war but I would really like to hear some one's opinion about that. If it is just death than I don't agree. Death is feared far greater than it should be. If you feel like killing me after reading this then you have only betrayed yourself. I love you all. _______________ One of the Belouve boys This comment was edited by ioshee on Jan 18 2003 10:35pm. |
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Kalheka - Student
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I think a war with Iraq is inevitable. Necessary, probably not. The fact is though that Iraq hasn't lived up to it's agreements at the end of the Gulf War yet. They have repeatedly denied U.N access in agreement with the terms of their surrender.
I think that the U.N. should have sent military forces back into Iraq 12 years ago after the very first time they stopped co-operating with the U.N. after they were driven from Kuwait. It seems to me like Hussein wants a confrontation, along with many other middle eastern countries. America and Americans are just not popular abroad. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Vaughn - Student 
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if no oil, then alberta will become richer... but aside from that, then ppl will have to start lookign into alternatives (i guess im kinda environmental crazy...)
i dont think a war is nessicary. Try to avoid it at all costs. Abt sept 11, i think the US took it the wrong way. Instead of askign "why did they do this, what have we done wrong" they just charged in and attacked. Thats exactly what the Academy is teaching us NOT to do. What do we get from fighting? nothing. Economy? it may help for a while, but then itll go down afterwards, so there is no point. why should there be a war? Find a solution that does not require violence, thats the best way. _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student
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well, I don't agree with you on the economy piont: because of the war, Wallstreet will go down, and the middle-east might not supply iol to america or other western countries anymore. _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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skyler_ - Student 
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there are other ways to end a conflict without going to war. but u have to remember that a war is good for the country's economy. and since the september 11 attacks...well...u know. dont get me wrong, i dont encourage war in any way possible, just saying that might be bush's strategy. lets just hope it doesnt come to that  |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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Anger. Fear. Aggression. The Dark Side of the Force are they.
There are alternatives to fighting. Wars not make one great. Always in motion is the future. _______________ make install -not war This comment was edited by Bubu on Jan 18 2003 11:39am. |
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