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Darth Revan - ex-Student  |
Who do think is the biger threat Iraq who has no nuke weapons or Nkorea that does and has kicked out UN inspectors and is threatening to sell them to terrorists. They also have the 4th largets army in the world and missles that can reach US millitary bases in Japan. (Bubu may or may not know this) _______________ formally known as jedi master, vanished and returned as the new sith lord |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student 
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One of the reasons a threat from North Korea will be downplayed right now , is the affect that a bi-lateral threat from both Iraq and N Korea will have on justifying an attack on Iraq by US/UK.
If the American peoples opinion sways from the strong pro-Bush pro-war? footing because of the appearance of a conflict appearing on many fronts, then Bush will think twice about the current plans to attack Iraq. So, the US administration , imo, will always play down a North Korea threat until they finish off Iraq. THEN, watch the focus shift to North Korea. |
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Kalheka - Student 
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No I'm not knocking initiates. I was once an initiate. I'm just knockin osh.  Just kiddin with ya osh. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Hector Thrawn - Ex-Student 
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HEY! are knocking Initiates? you best not, our sheer lazyness, ignorance, newness or whatever keeps us down here, will rise up to and destroy your precious confidence my friend. yeah thats right i am sticking up for my fellow- OOOHHH shiny object on the floor, cool! |
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Kalheka - Student
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Nah, your too easy a target osh  We'll let the initiates take shots at you in order to get some conficence _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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ioshee - Student 
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LOL. Thanks Admiral. I knew you could answer that one for me. And thanks for not making fun of me in the process I'm sure it was tempting. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Hector Thrawn - Ex-Student 
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no there isnt. interestingly the term "atom bomb" was created by a sciencfiction writer in the early twentieth century before the weapon even existed, it was described as a weapon dropped from planes that had the power to destroy an entire city in one blast. he coined the term "atom bomb" because of the recent development in subatomic particals. the "atomic bomb" is really just a more sophisticated way of saying it. the idea is that the bomb unleshes the power of the atom, which in a less easily explained way, it does. nuclear is derived from the term nucleus which is the actual part of the atom that the energy ends up comming from, inother words "nuclear bomb" is just a slightly more specific form of "atom bomb." the two terms that ARNT interchangable are fission and fusion, but that is a topic for somthing else.
::edit:: just to show you how unstupid you are i will add a quote from the Sheboygan Press (my hometown paper) "I dont belive that we should spend mony on dagerous nuclear technology, we should spend it on something more usful, like fusion power." This comment was edited by Hector Thrawn on Jan 29 2003 03:45pm. |
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ioshee - Student
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I thought that America dropped an atomic bomb on Japan, not a nuclear bomb. Isn’t there a difference? Please excuse my ignorance. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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From what I have gathered, the types of weapons they are using are easier to track then missiles. Apparently, both will "light up our radar" once they come out in the open, i.e., once they try to move them around. Especially if we know they have them.
So what is faster, launching a nuke in a missile from a hardened bunker or moving it and loading it on a bomber or commercial plane? Pushing a nifty button on a console to lunch a nuke leaves less of a trail than trying to move a nuke around and hide it on a plane. Plus, the plane tactic has more room for operational error. It has so many places where it could go wrong, that if they get caught and foiled, they are going to be held highly accountable. And it's not god for a State entity to try and carry out Nuclear Terrorism. All in all, I think I could go into it a bit more, but my point stands. I think that by looking at it in the terms of Nuclear Strategy and Tactics, it is worse to have missiles than some big crate they have to ship around. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Gabba - Ex-Student 
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Look at the title of the thread, thats our answer to both problems, let them annialate each other.
_______________ Sit vis nobiscum. |
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Hector Thrawn - Ex-Student
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Ulic, there is one minor point you are forgetting with the nuke bombs, missiles must be launch, bombs dont. if they stick a bomb on a civilian plane, and we dont know it we get zero warning, a missle at least gives us a couple of minutes to hid and shoot it down. although i realize this would be hard to do, first finding a way to make the plane look civilian enough (do you take the bomb to the plane and end up showing people or the plane to the military base...), an then making sure we dont see this happening, this is plausable, correct? |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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Funny we (U.S.) put Osama bin Laden in power and trained him. Didn't we do the same for Saddam Husain? I wouldn't know because that's not in our history books. Dop _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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Gabba - Ex-Student 
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Just shows how touchy Korea can be with Japan.
I was supprised that such messures were taken over school books. I remember some of the English history books that i read, some of the stuff they wrote on our history (Wales) were just glory tales, but certanly not something worth getting upset over. _______________ Sit vis nobiscum. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Bah...
Look at OUR history books that we have. They are definately leaving out a lot of bad things the WE did (as Americans), as well as downplaying a lot of the involvements we have had. So what if Japan does the same thing. Gah...kindergarteners should not run a nation. (not pointing fingers, but my thought is valid). _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Jan 28 2003 04:49pm. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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no gabba i don't read (or speak for that matter) japanese...  _______________ make install -not war |
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Gabba - Ex-Student
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The relations betwwen Japan and S' Korea are even worse. im not shure how the current situation pans out, but last year S Korea were threataning to cease all millitery co-operation with Japan (not shure if this has happend, will look up) and they even briefly withdrew there ambassador. This was all because the Japanese Ministry of Education authorized eight Japanese history textbooks.
The Korean Foreign Ministry accuses the authors of the eight Japanese history textbooks of whitewashing Japan's invasion and subsequent colonization of Asian countries. Bubu just a thought, have you read any of the books in question? Anyway it just goes to show how even the relations of democratic countrys can be dogey _______________ Sit vis nobiscum. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Kalheka - Student 
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There is a little bit of hope with N Korea and Japan. Though still very icy, N Korea and Japan did recently exchange some information about missing Japanese citizens that had been kidnapped from Japan. It's very small, but it's a beginning with them. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Gabba - Ex-Student
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*hopeing i am right about this statememt
Even if US millitary bases were not in Japan. Japan have reason to worry. Japan and Korea (N&S) have a history of misstrust after what happend during the occupation of korea during the second world war. Lets face it Japan are the only country to suffer from a nuke being droped on them, but i do not beleve that they can resolve the issue with N Korea. Im afraid it will proberbly have to be resolved By China or Russia, Japan must feel like they have there hands tied. Biggest problem with Korea is if they do have the bomb, we cannot disarm them safely, and we would proberbly have to deal with them on the grounds of copperation, scary it may be but there econamy has been in decline for some time now, the current goverment want to hold on to power at any cost, this is one way to do it for them. If they get what they want N'Korea will in all possability disarm its nuclear program. it will mean giveing in to them slightly, but we can be assured that the westen goverments will gloss it over as a new age of diplomacy between the two sides, south Korea wouldent like it but they will proberbly see it as a better altenative to being nuked. _______________ Sit vis nobiscum. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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lol note that Bubu may or may not know this
just as the above statement may or may not be true... _______________ make install -not war |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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I'm only going to partially leave my point.
Yes, N Korea has less than 6 nukes. Best estimates from the documents I've seen, they have 2 or 3. If they pulled EVERYTHING together, I mean EVERYTHING THEY COULD DO...they only have the capability for 7. I can reference that if needed. Hmm...added note, I'm in a Nuclear Weapons class, so I stay informed and all, but I see your concern, we talk about it too. Also, these are low-level nukes. They are the equivalent of the Hiroshima bomb. Also, they are not designed to go on warheads. They have not mastered that yet. So really, they have a low-yield nuclear device that they have to drop out of a bomber or put on a really big truck. Fortunately, those are easier to track and counter than a missile. Missiles can stay underground, be hard to track, hard to hit in a hardened silo. Missiles might also be Multiple Independent Re-Entry Vehicles (MIRVs) which are difficult to counter. So N. Korea has missiles that can hit Japan and other areas, but they can't actually put a nuke on them. But yes, a nuke is still a nuke, and is still a problem. However, to sum it up (I can go into detail if needed), N. Korea is a lot more delicate a situation in terms of trade and other relations, and can also be a bit more receptive to diplomacy. Iraq is still a touchy situation in terms of foreign relations, but they have shown that diplomatic approaches may not really work. I've just gotten done READING Resolution 1441, which all the media talks about but never really explains (I doubt half the reporters even read it.) Regardless, they are two different approaches in terms of handling the situation. Think of it as unique personalities. That's as best I can explain it without talking too much. I think that (and can back this up too, not just my less-than-expert opinion) both N.Korea and Iraq are equal threats. N.Korea has better military capability, but has some other flaws. Iraq has an unreceptive and maybe repressive regime, but not as great a military threat. So you add up all the security threats, and they are equal. N. Korea has a chance with resolutions, Iraq really doesn't. I don't mean to sound arrogant, but if you read the actual resolutions you would understand. AND, AND!! The resolutions don't really GIVE the use of force as a needed reaction, they are just vague enough to state "any means necessary...to preserve peace and order in the area." Those are subjective terms, and that ONE little sentence is in need of a LOT of defining. But that's my thoughts. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Kalheka - Student
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Well I can tell what your opinion is.
AFAIK, N Korea has less than 6 Nukes. Very dangerous, yes. However, for the last 12 years, Saddam has been hiding chemical weapons and god knows what else from UN inspectors. At least we are for sure what N Korea has. Iraq on the other hand has been allowed to keep their stockpile secret. I feel that makes Iraq more of a threat. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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