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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student  |
There has been a lot of discussion about this on the web and fansites, and stuff, so here: How did you think Anakin brought the Force into balance? Some people say it was because he killed the last two Sith alive. Others say it was because he slaughtered the Jedi. I say it was this: He didn't only kill every Jedi, he also killed every Sith. The universe would have to start all over again. No Jedi... No Sith... This would of course have a tremendous effect on the Jedi after this. In the Old Republic, the Jedi were arrogant, because they thought they thought they were invincible. Now they know they can very easy be destroyed So that's why you have better Jedi, that are sure of themselves, but aren't overconfident. And now an even bigger headbreaker: Was Anakin supposed to go to the Dark Side? Was it meant to happen, or was it one of the possibilities that could happen? I think he was supposed to go to the Dark Side, the Force had that in mind for him. Because, the way I look at it, the Jedi where arrogant and needed to be destroyed. They where to sure of themselves, according to Yoda. And they should be, because for over a thousand years, there were no enemies that could stand against a Jedi, so the Jedi became (in the eyes of the normal man) invincible. That's why when kids are trained to be a Jedi, they expect to be so powerful... Which brings arrogance, right? So the Jedi that weren't arrogant (like Yoda, Echuu-Shen John) escape the slaughter miraculously  . But I'm still guessing why Obi-Wan was allowed to be alive. Was it because he had something to do in his life? Or maybe he had to set right a fault he once made? And if you think he wasn't arrogant, then look at this: in Ep1 he said: "I am ready to face the trials". Arrogant, right? In Ep1 he thought he was ready to take on a Padawan of his own. And he thought he could instruct him just as wel as master Yoda, very arrogant, right? Anyway, post your comments on both these subjects  And feel free to give as lot of critiscism as you want _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Vicious - Student 
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They speak of the prophecy to bring balance to the force in the sense that there has never been balance in the force, even when the Sith were nearly equal in number to the Jedi. I dont believe that as soon as there is an equal number of light side and dark side users, the force is in balance. And then once either side loses one person, it is out of balance. That theory would be too unstable to explain the force, one second its balanced, the next its not. When Vader brought balance to the force, i believe its a universal thing, permanent in the force, not to be undone by the actions or decisions of a single life-form. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. This comment was edited by Vicious on Oct 21 2003 01:05am. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Your quote from Mace is from Ep.I, mine is from Ep.II. In Ep.II there were far more L/jedi than D/jedi. Mace knew it was because he said anakin could bring it back into balance. I just see balanced as something being equal.More light side than dark is unbalanced, and visversa. Maybe the true definition of balanced force will be told in 2005. Good debate BTW hey all check outmy jedi ranking forum in this section. lemme know if you can help..thanks _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Oct 21 2003 12:57am. |
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Vicious - Student
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Actually Vasper I was talking about The Phantom Menace: Qui-Gon: "A boy, his cells have the highest concentration of midichloreans I've seen in a life-form. It's possible he was concealed by the midichloreans." Mace Windu: "You speak of the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, you believe it is this boy?" At this point in the movie it was still just speculation that Qui-Gon's attacker was a Sith lord, so if to bring balance to the force means to have equal numbers of light and dark force users, than the council would have to believe that in order to do that, Anakin would have to turn to the dark side. So why train him? I don't believe it pertains to the number of light and dark force users at all. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Thats true Ky, but if we are going off of what they said, then why did yoda say "The dark side clouds everything."? They must have known something was wrong. And mace said "If the prophecy is true, then ur apprentice COULD be the one to bring the force into balance.", or close but why would he say "could"? He talked like it wasn't in balance. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Oct 20 2003 10:44pm. |
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Vicious - Student
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Well if thats true then what was Mace Windu talking about when he said that Anakin was supposed to bring the force into balance. At the time they still weren't sure if the Sith even existed, so he must not have been talking about numbers of Jedi and Sith/dark side users. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I'd say balance means equal good and equal bad in the force. Either a lot of good Jedi and a lot of Sith Or No sith and No jedi Nothing in between, no comprimises _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Then why say balance? If the force can be either good or bad than wouldn't it be out of balance with all light jedi? _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Vicious - Student 
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The balance in the force does not pertain to the amount of light and dark. When Vader killed the Emperor and turned back to the light side of the force he brought balance to the force. When the dark side exists in the force, it is out of balance, out of harmony with nature i suppose. That is what i believe. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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This might sound stupid but its my veiw on the subject. Yes Vader killed all the jedi, but, he did not kill himself or the emperoer. The balance of the force is the balance of the light and the dark. In the begining of episodeIV, it was somewhat balanced with yoda and obi-wan(light) and vader and sidious(dark). Howerver, luke and leia were alive. They were not jedi yet but as we all know, their bloodline is very rich in the force. Then yoda and obi-wan die. Its 2 vs 2 now. This is the time i see the force in balance. I know it sounds crazy and probly is but its just a thought. lemme know what ya think, crazy??? _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Plo Koon - Student 
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yes i agree! _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Yes, I agree with Darth Maul, he was the first to be able to go completely to the Dark Side, and come back completely _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Anakin killed the Emperor then he came back the the Light Side, thats how he brought Balance to the Force. |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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Well moveie wise NO he never went to the dark side but if u go book wise or ne hting liek that YES he does turn to the dark side for a bit then goes good again _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Yes, he is tempted to go to the Dark Side, but he can manage his anger btw, if he went to the dark side, then how could he have a Jedi Academy for good Jedi? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Lackeh- Retired - Student 
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I'm in agreement _______________ A champion is someone who keeps getting up; even when they can't. Founder Of the Jedi Academy Adlut Support Group. PIE!!!!! Padawan of Katan. Brother to MOTREC, DarkDragon, (SKX)DarkBlade, Jacen Aratan, Achilles, Kool_Aide, EvilSquirrel, and Katan's Padawans. |
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Havvk - Ex-Student 
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He's tempted but he doesent. _______________ ~~~knows secretly that furious sUx0rs~~~ |Defender of Ulthuan|Master of the deagle|Saber staff king|Master of spam| ~~~ You have to be bad to be be evil but you have to be evil to be bad! ~~~ ~~~ Will always remember c_M@D as a leader and as a brother -_- ~~~ |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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are you joking? luke never goes to the darkside _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Jaina D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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heh i must be tired...i thought the topic title said '(How) did Aratan bring the Force into balance?' anyway i agree...he did it by killing pretty much every Jedi/Dark Jedi _______________ INTP |
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EAF_fencer3 - Student 
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No, but that wouldn't work, Plo, because right before Palpy dies, Luke goes to the dark side _______________ |"Evacuate? In our moment of Triumph? I think you overestimate their chances."|"hurray broccoli!" -Tarpman| |Godson to Carve|Ward of Flamori|Brother to Gunrow| |
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Havvk - Ex-Student
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It isnt arrogant its overconfident, underestimating, taking a burden whom he cannot carry, hmm? _______________ ~~~knows secretly that furious sUx0rs~~~ |Defender of Ulthuan|Master of the deagle|Saber staff king|Master of spam| ~~~ You have to be bad to be be evil but you have to be evil to be bad! ~~~ ~~~ Will always remember c_M@D as a leader and as a brother -_- ~~~ |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Yes, very right... It doesn't say anywhere that he escapes  My bad, must have gotten distracted while I was writing that So, no Mace that escapes Sorry for the mixup _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Silencio - Student 
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Just off on a side track here.. where does it say that mace windu escapes? _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters |
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He brings balance by killing all jedi |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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lol... ur confused... my suggestion: just don't bother about it... but the fact is that annie slaughtered all of the jedi (woohoo!) and slaughtered the last sith (he's so dumb ain't he)... so yeah... altough ur not the first one to say the above  many ppl say it _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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your confused maybe,youve got it backwards,it wasnt the arrogant jedi who uses it as a tool,the jedi use it to protect and serve and the sith/darkjedi think its a tool to empower the weak. oh and my thoughts on what happened? he got rid of emporer palpatine in by doing that he killed himself so there is no more Evil sith and luke can create a better jedi order. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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