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(How) did Anakin bring the Force into balance?
Oct 17 2003 07:38pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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Bail Hope of Belouve
There has been a lot of discussion about this on the web and fansites, and stuff, so here:
How did you think Anakin brought the Force into balance?
Some people say it was because he killed the last two Sith alive.
Others say it was because he slaughtered the Jedi.
I say it was this:
He didn't only kill every Jedi, he also killed every Sith.
The universe would have to start all over again.
No Jedi... No Sith...
This would of course have a tremendous effect on the Jedi after this.
In the Old Republic, the Jedi were arrogant, because they thought they thought they were invincible.
Now they know they can very easy be destroyed
So that's why you have better Jedi, that are sure of themselves, but aren't overconfident.

And now an even bigger headbreaker:
Was Anakin supposed to go to the Dark Side? Was it meant to happen, or was it one of the possibilities that could happen?

I think he was supposed to go to the Dark Side, the Force had that in mind for him. Because, the way I look at it, the Jedi where arrogant and needed to be destroyed. They where to sure of themselves, according to Yoda. And they should be, because for over a thousand years, there were no enemies that could stand against a Jedi, so the Jedi became (in the eyes of the normal man) invincible. That's why when kids are trained to be a Jedi, they expect to be so powerful... Which brings arrogance, right?

So the Jedi that weren't arrogant (like Yoda, Echuu-Shen John) escape the slaughter miraculously :). But I'm still guessing why Obi-Wan was allowed to be alive. Was it because he had something to do in his life? Or maybe he had to set right a fault he once made?
And if you think he wasn't arrogant, then look at this: in Ep1 he said: "I am ready to face the trials". Arrogant, right?
In Ep1 he thought he was ready to take on a Padawan of his own. And he thought he could instruct him just as wel as master Yoda, very arrogant, right?

Anyway, post your comments on both these subjects :D
And feel free to give as lot of critiscism as you want :)
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This post was edited by Bail Hope of Belouve on Jun 24 2004 09:51pm.

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Apr 13 2004 12:55am

Jippie Phoenix
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so u luke brought balance,what?:confused:
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Apr 12 2004 07:48pm

Seth C. Belouve
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 Seth C. Belouve

*drunkly stumbles around* I'll...*hick up* I'll tell you baouuuut anakins mothha *hick up* she...she's quite a woooooman... lol

No seriously Anakin only brought balance by having Luke who truely brought balance to the force I did this whole math equation about it in another forum but basically at the end of the movies Lukes the only one left...thats about as balanced as it gets ppl.:D

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Apr 12 2004 06:44pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

no, it was because he left his mother:P
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Apr 12 2004 03:36pm

Dan
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sweetness FiZZ :)
that's just about the single best opinion i have ever heard on a topic such as this.
well i think he brought balance...


...when he won the podrace :eek:
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Apr 09 2004 02:25am

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

well, technically, if he hadnt been a Sith, someone else would have taken his spot, and Luke & Leia prolly would have been killed on the spot. Well, on the other hand, the series would be kinda short if the little kid Anakin had killed all Siths in EP1...

hehe, well its a movie plot, so dont think too much about it :D
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Apr 09 2004 12:45am

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

well, if you'd think logically... it's in the second opinion, jedi AND sith...

ok, since I had one last poll option which wasn't used, I changed it with 'Killing Palpatine':)
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Apr 08 2004 04:00pm

Jippie Phoenix
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 Jippie Phoenix

yeah where is it bail?u got ani's cute there but u ain't that wots going on?
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Apr 08 2004 12:45am

Plo Koon
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 Plo Koon

wheres the killing palpatine option......
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Apr 04 2004 02:12pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

hehe, I didn't know that actually :D
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Apr 03 2004 11:24am

Jippie Phoenix
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 Jippie Phoenix

woah bail did u know the actress that plays anakins mum also plays mary in a jesus christ movie(christian bale as jesus). I thought it was funny to see her the mother of another one:D
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Apr 01 2004 03:54am

Vaughn
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 Vaughn

oh. i didnt remember that
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Mar 27 2004 10:53pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

I agree
Your theory includes two of our theories, and yours seems logical, actually.

But in EpIV I think(might be EpVI), Obi-Wan himself says:
"I thought I could instruct him just as well as Master Yoda"
:)
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Mar 27 2004 10:40pm

Vaughn
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 Vaughn

well, I havent read the other arguments, so im sorry, but...

I belive Ani was destined for the dark side. Why? Didn't Obi say that there is no such thing as luck? which means, that if you did something, you were supposed to do it? How else could the jedi tell the future? Fate. So in that sence, Ani was meant to go to the dark side.
Did he bring balance to the force? yes and no.
How did he do it?
By being evil. what does balance mean? does it mean that one side is more powerful than the other? no. It means both are equal. For thousands of years, the Dark Side had been in hiding. was it powerful? no. Was light side powerful? yes. Ani came along. He turned that around, he destroyed most, if not all, of the jedi. killing off the light, and being very strong, he brought the dark side up to power. even more powerful than the light side. that put dark in power for a few years. time was balancing out. by killing off palpatine and dying himself as a light jedi, he put light back up, and Luke brought a new Academy (or is starting one). So he brought balance to the force for a little bit, meaning, he brought the darkside up to power and held off onthe light side, balancing out their rule of the galaxy/universe.

he didn't balance it, because the dark side was in power for a very short time a few decades, while the light side was in power for a few centuries. But, thats just what i think.

someone also said, that he made them closer in power, therefore making it so that a jedi coudl fall, then come back again.
But.... I think the jedi mis-read the prophecy. About obi being arrogant, i think he was ready, qui-gon thought he was ready, and that stroke of 'arrogance' was just so that he would push the council to making him take the trials so that qui-gon could take anikin as a padawan. If you remember, after Maul, obi got anakin, so unless he took the trials strait after the movie ended,he never took them. he didnt think he could teach ani better than yoda, he thought he could teach him as well as qui-gon. But, as ani turned dark, he felt as if he failed, and wished qui-gon could have taught ani. i think :S
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Mar 27 2004 12:17pm

Jippie Phoenix
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 Jippie Phoenix

yeah I thimk got turned to the dark side in the books and came back from it although im not sure:P
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Mar 26 2004 09:47pm

Darth Bamse
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Ok you seem to to think that anakin brought balance to the force by killing all sith and jedi so the cycle starts over.
But he doesnt kill all jedi as luke is left standing. Maybe for the cycle to start over then 1 must be alive be it sith or jedi u get me


Didn't someone say Luke was partly darkside? Then he would be the perfect item for a restart of the cycle. Anakin turned back to the light side, so he might be some sort of fusion between the two too.
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Mar 26 2004 09:33pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

yeah, he wrote a nice story:)
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Mar 26 2004 09:26pm

Jippie Phoenix
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 Jippie Phoenix

I calling me g.lucus Im alot younger then that guy. although repect to him:P
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Mar 26 2004 09:25pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

that he killed both Jedi and Sith is a possibility yes...

I suppose George Lucas isn't in here under a fake name?:)
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Mar 26 2004 09:22pm

Jippie Phoenix
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Ok you seem to to think that anakin brought balance to the force by killing all sith and jedi so the cycle starts over.
But he doesnt kill all jedi as luke is left standing. Maybe for the cycle to start over then 1 must be alive be it sith or jedi u get me
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Mar 26 2004 09:10pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

/me hits you away from my leg :P

hehe;)

don't worry bout it...:)

So, what's your theory on this subject?
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Mar 26 2004 09:07pm

Jippie Phoenix
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Its my mind it started to wonder. Your right its not that difficult to understand, but I was pulling your leg:D
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Mar 26 2004 09:01pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

its not that hard a theory:)
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Mar 26 2004 08:59pm

Jippie Phoenix
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 Jippie Phoenix

my brains melted again:D
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Mar 26 2004 07:39pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

well, I don't think he destroyed the Dark Side, since that would make all the other stories after Anakin's death quite a mistake;)

Since they ARE however filled with going from Dark to Light, (Luke, Rosh, ...) I stick with my original theory, that there was a gap,
and the gap meant the following:

Before Anakin:
Light to Dark -> Possible
Dark to Light -> Impossible

and my theory is that Anakin closed the gap, meaning the following (Anakin went from Dark back to Light)

Light to Dark -> Possible
Dark to Light -> Possible

But then, this is just my opinion.
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Mar 26 2004 03:34pm

Tamal
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 Tamal

I haven't read much of this thread yet but I have always believed that Anakin brought balance by destroying the Sith. In a similar forum on starwars.com I believe someone had even quoted GL saying this as well. In a nutshell the Darkside is what brought the force out of balance and when that was destroyed balance was restored.

Of course this is all taken from canon SW and not EU. I am actually interested in starting to read some EU series can anyone point me in a good direction??

Well that's my take :) please feel free to comment and criticize as needed ;)

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