| view on the war | |
|
Vasper Ba'xian - Student  |
If ya feel like venting about the war or any International conlfict or problem, just put it here._______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality. |
| < Recent Comments | Login and add your comment! | Previous Comments > |
| Comments |
|
Xipkell - Student |
So I would assume then that you believed Bush when he said all he did was speak from speeches. That he had no idea any of the information was false or inacurate. So let us see here that would include: 7 mobile weapons labs, we only found 2 and they were not equiped to produce WMD's; uranium from africa, officil CIA reports are contrary to this statement; WMD's where are they? 6 months and we haven't found any; Osama being conected to Sadam, Osama publically stated he hated Sadam as much as or more than the US; missle tubes that would be to expensive to convert from there original purpose, why spend 100 milion when you can spend 30 or 40;the cia operative name leak, Bush said I have no idea as to who did this so let's get everyone to sign afidavit's and those that won't should be investigated (BTW I signed one just in case he thought it was me lol) and many many more. Must I continue? If these aren't impeachable offences I have no idea as to what is. Oh yeah I forgot he somehow stole the office he now holds. Didn't we impeach Nixon for that? Hiding behind the symantics of Clinton being under oath is weak. For the record I disliked Clinton also BUT I served in Clinton's Navy and we were under paid and under manned, repair parts were recycled some times (this is in 3and 5" guns and missle launcher systems) and even trying to get coveralls was like trying to pull supplies teeth out.The man fixed the economy, though. While Gods mouthpiece is screwing up it worse every day. BTW did everyone know that the DoD is now researching tactical nukes again. Bush has pulled us out of yet another treaty. Here comes the arms race again. Everyone get out the lube and bend over.  This comment was edited by Xipkell on Dec 17 2003 06:01pm. |
|
Ulic Belouve - Student 
|
Actually, one of the things I am interested in, is what these lies are that Bush told. I'll challenge someone to put forth what they think are lies, instead of everyone saying "Bush lied to us". Remember, most importantly, that the absence of proof for the truth does not make it a lie. I might say I have $100,000. But just because I can't show that to you, the public, does not mae it a lie. What would make it a lie is if you, the public, actually had proof to the contrary Such as Clinton. He said he did "not have sex with that woman". We did not know that he was lying until: We actually found....proof to the contrary So really, I'm just intereested in what proof to the contrary there is. I don't know if this is one of the lies or not, but take for instance the "lie" of Bush talking about Iraqi WMD. We have no proof to the contrary. However, there is proof to support this. Thus, just because we have not found WMD, does not mean that Bush was lying. But let's see what people list for the lies. I'm interested. No more of this "Bush lied to us". Be specific. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
|
Buzz - Student 
|
Wasn't Howard Dean criticizing Bush for not having captured Saddam? By the way Xip, Clinton lied under oath, which is perjury, Bush while either if he lied knowingly or spoke what he thought was the truth wasn't in a court of law doing it. Sometimes its not what you lie about but where you are doing the lieing. And speaking of Clinton, we could blame him for the mess. During his presidency we were offered Bin Laden several times and didn't take him. Also one of the guys that flew on of those planes, was someone that was released by the Israeli's because of an agreement Clinton wanted them to sign that released terrorists responsible for specific acts. The guy probably got into the US during Clinton's Presidency too. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
|
Xipkell - Student |
I agree with you Ulic victories are necessary. I am a vet of the US Navy and I got my southwest Asia sevice medal (which is for the last Iraq ocupation) so I'm caught in a odd position. In one spot I want to rejoin so I can be with my brothers and sisters and in the other I don't want to serve this corupt government because I have, what I would call, close to a deep hatred for it. The main issue, though, is that we shouldn't have gone in the first place and we were lied to so we would back Bush and his coven in this endevour. We the peolple of the US (meaning the politicians) almost impeached Clinton for lying about a sex act. Yet no one has said a word about the myriad of lies coming from Bush. WTF does this not sound backwards? Holding another country in our clutches, and by extension a large portion of europe, for personal gain is ok but gratuitous sex isn't? If you had to choose the lesser of the two evils which would it be? Now about the absence of intercultural contact. This doesn't happen, I feel, because most of the people of this country don't bother with it. If it isn't happening in their backyard they don't care. That or they are afraid of anything they don't understand. Even though it may be living next door they say "wow are my (insert other culture) neighbors wierd (insert derogitory term) should stay in their own country and stop coming here and messing up ours". You have this and the fact that we have no exposure to outside cultures in the media except for when it has direct impact on the US. On the BBC news a few years ago I was listening to the situations in the Congo, South Africa, China, Japan and numerous other countries. Do you think I heard anything about these things from the US media? HELL NO. It had nothing to do with us and it didn't create fear so it wasn't news worthy. The Congo has been in a civil war for a few years now and a lot of inocent people are dying. Do we care. No they are not threatening us so why should we care? This is why the US is ignorant of other cultures. As for my leaving. I was planning on moving to Japan for a few years anyway. In light of recent events I may just speed up the process and never return. I've lived all over the US and it has nothing new to offer but there is a whole world out there and they aren't out to get me, believe it or not.  This comment was edited by Xipkell on Dec 17 2003 11:14am. |
|
Ulic Belouve - Student 
|
Hrm....I like this: Quote: The capture of Saddam has not made America safer. -Howard Dean So yeah, it's not easy to cram so much idiocy, mendacity and arrogance into nine little words, but he did it. Dean's assertion is impossible to support rationally. If you believe, as we do, that liberating Iraq was vital to American national security, then obviously Saddam's capture has made America safer. But for the sake of argument, let's assume that the left-wing critique is correct: Iraq is a "distraction," diverting troops, resources and attention from the war against al Qaeda. If this is true, then the way to make America safer now that we're in Iraq is to finish the job so that we can free up the men and resources we're currently spending there and put them back to work in Afghanistan or wherever al Qaeda lurks. In other words, even people who thought liberating Iraq was a strategic mistake should be cheering every tactical victory there--if, that is, they really care about our national security. Saddam's capture was a necessary step, arguably the most important step, toward final victory in Iraq. Does Dean really believe a victorious America will not be safer than a defeated one would be? Joe Lieberman has a nice qote, I like it: Quote: Howard Dean has climbed into his own spider hole of denial if he believes that the capture of Saddam Hussein has not made America safer. So, yeah, I think this made us safer. And logically, the capture of Saddam has led to that. Anyone who thinks that we will be less safe is just flawed in their thinnking. Sure, attacks will increase due to desperation, the fact that terrorism and pro-Saddam movements have now been crippled. Their infrastructure is dead or dying, their resupply is cut off. For them, it is logical to go out in a blaze of glory. For again, another wonderful quote from the Matrix: Quote: If we have to give our lives, WE GIVE THEM HELL BEFORE WE DO!!!! So, yeah, basically: Violence will increase, but die out in the long run. American Security will increase as well, in the long run. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
|
Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
|
Quote: People are so afraid to say anything against what is happening they would gladly live in ignorance than see the truth. This MUST STOP. Just because this is the way things are done it does not make it the right way. So true. But the problem is, even if you said something, wrote a letter, help a rally or what not, who would listen? The "people friendly" politician? Yeah he'd come out and say " oh yes I agree, I'll help you.", kiss a few babies, maybe a pig, then get into his BMW and go home. I also think you made a good point about too much fear being generated in this country. I believe the gov. encourages these things because it takes the attentions and fears off them. A sort of deception. In the Matrix(just an example!), how did the mechines keep human in control? By keeping their minds busy so they could take what they wanted. And we fall for it. Leaving isn't the answer X. I was prepared to die for this country when I was in the service and I am still. I may not respect out gov. But I respect our ppl. Americans are ignorant in many ways. Unlike Europe, we are not connected to many different countries. We have Mexico and Canada. Not a lot of ppl want to goto Mexico. Why would they, they see them trying to get up here. And I don't blame them. I've seen some bad parts. And then we have Canada. They are like that person you know that doesn't say a word until they are spoken to. Anyway my point is that we don't have access to all these different countries like Europeans do. We don't get to experience all the different cultures as they do. Only when we take vacations, which to Europe, its' expensive. I would LOVE to spend a month or two over there meeting people and learning about new things. White cliffs, Castles, Irish beer , Rome, Stone hendge..ect.(I still want to see the Monet exhibit in France)Our trends and Ideas just bounce from east coast to west coast and back. There, they go across countries and back. America is also a very young country. We don't have the rich histroy. Its sad to say that most of out histroy is filled with war after war. The rest of the world has Thousands of years over us, so there is a culture issue there. I guess it goes back to what I said earlier; I wish everyone could respect and welcome each other with open arms. To be eager to learn and experience these new things. But X is right, unfortunatly. I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, just more darkness. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
|
|
Buzz - Student
|
That's been a problem for the US. I won't deny it. Our problem has been that. We helped the Taliban when they were fighting the Soviets because the Soviets were our enemies. Same with Iraq, Iran was our enemy so its the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend scenario" It looks good at the time, but it has a tendency to backfire. Its the problem with most alliances. Hell WW1 started because a small tiny country had someone assasinated. That's where alliances will get you. Gotta clean up our messes to though. Even if its a decade or two too late. Quote: Americans always try to do the right thing after they've tried everything else. Winston ChurchillThe man had some good quotes. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
|
Xipkell - Student |
Your are correct Ken, almost. The US didn't look the other way when Sadam attacked Iran. WE ENCOURAGED IT AND GAVE HIM THE WEAPONS TO GAS THEM. Here's a small list of a few of the things we gave him (according to a 1994 U.S. Senate report): * Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax. * Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin. * Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord, and heart. * Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs. * Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness. * Clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic substance. And here are some of the American corporations who helped to prop Saddam up by doing business with him: AT&T, Bechtel, Caterpillar, Dow Chemical, Dupont, Kodak, Hewlett-Packard, and IBM (for a full list of companies and descriptions of how they helped Saddam, go here http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/23/news-crogan.php ( this last paragraph I have cut and pasted for ease of use) So to all those of you who think we weren't just doing some personal damage control by going over there. What do you think of this? I would almost go so far as to call it a smoking gun. Oh yeah as far as the holy war is concerned, Bush has publicly stated on more than on occasion that God speaks to him directly.  This comment was edited by Xipkell on Dec 16 2003 10:54pm. |
|
Mookie - Ex-Student 
|
Hey, very good points in this thread. I find my view most similar to Xipkell's. Just a few added comments: Quote: I can definitely see another Somalia happening in Bagdad. It's what happens when we try to impose a western style government on a group or religious tribes. I don't think we should move the troops out just yet though. The insurgent groups need to be handled. Very true except one think: Iraq used to be pretty western style oriented, as was definitely Afghanistan. Regimes change, the lies stay the same. The whole America invading Iraq thing... They caught an oppressing dictator, doesn't mean the troubles over yet. What is that proverb, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"? There's a few things that deserve some good smacking on the Americans part in this. 1) Bush critises on a Holy War but used God as a justification AND in his speeches! 2) America helped Saddam Hussein to power (had an argument with Monty over it on IRC, if you want to discuss it, PM me), but are acting a bit hypocrit when they finally capture him. The guys painting him off as a monster (rightfully so, of course) gave him the weapons in the first place! When Iran went fundamentalist, they helped Saddam archieve power until Saddam attacked Kuweit (Gulf War). They didn't even interfere when Saddam Hussein attacked Iran, which is terrible. 3) The obvious question of whether America should even be allowed to do that kind of stuff. Sure, there are opressed people in Iraq, but all the government did was use the fears after September 11th to arrange it's own agenda where they could pursue Saddam. They had NO right to be there, especially considering they put him there in the first place! 4) Lying about ideals and a free world when it's all gross materialism. 5) Going behind NATO's back on the whole deal. I could probably think of some others, but I just needed to vent. |
|
Xipkell - Student |
Well to hear myself say the things I have recently, ten years ago, would have made me want to hurt myself very badly but times change and so do people. I really hate to say this but the only thing we can do is wake the people of this country up. There is a reason this country is veiwed by much of the outside world as a violence breeding, narcicistic, ignorant people. We have kept our blinders on for so long, and even fought to keep them when others have tried to help, that we now believe this is the way things should be. We in the US live in a constant state of fear. Fear of terrorists, gangs, random acts of violence, black people of all things ( how is it that one man can fear or hate another because of the color of his skin or ethnic differences? It's no wonder the rest of the world views us as hate mongers!). We are taught to WATCH OUT that guy, right there, next to you is going to hurt you, or steal from you, or your children. Through the media and the government mouth pieces we are fed these things every day. WE MUST STOP THIS PERPETUAL CYCLE OF FEAR. If we do not, well we are already shooting each other in the streets. We must stand up and say NO MORE!! We have to root out the coruption by disposing of the elected officials who do not listen to the people they are supposedly representing. Those in power now only look out for themselves and this is not what they are elected to do. WAKE UP SILENT MAJORITY!!! People are so afraid to say anything against what is happening they would gladly live in ignorance than see the truth. This MUST STOP. Just because this is the way things are done it does not make it the right way. As much as I belive these things I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. I only see more darkness and I am afraid the US will go the same way as the rest of the super powers of history. Rome, the USSR, the British empire( no offence to you in the UK but the sun does set on the British empire now adays). I am seriously thinking of leaving for I do not want to be here when it comes crashing down around us and I don't want my daughter growing up in fear and ignorance. Wake up, please wake up for if we do not we are doomed. This comment was edited by Xipkell on Dec 16 2003 10:28pm. |
|
Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
|
I say rebelion. IF and when the country's middle-class is gone and its just rich and poor, I think it would be possible. We have the power to overthrow another country's gov, why not our own? Lets see. Or, find these big corps. and burn their buildings down. I'm talking millions in damage. Make em not wanna bribe politicians. Just a few Violent solutions(Not like me to do such things, but one day the American people could be driven to.) It just Irks me to no limits that we have lost control of our gov. Yes our country has been thru a lot here lately but the previous statement remains. I believe in "karma" and I hope it comes around and bites em right in the A$$!! _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
|
|
DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
|
I figure I'll pipe in. I can definitely see another Somalia happening in Bagdad. It's what happens when we try to impose a western style government on a group or religious tribes. I don't think we should move the troops out just yet though. The insurgent groups need to be handled. :/ In the mean time my gf and I barely make ends meet. She's a full time elementary school teacher who's salary barely affords her bills and food. I work part time, but have been pulling scads of extra overtime to pay the ol' rent, which is making my school suffer. I know it's easy to blame the government. They're an easy scapegoat being the ones on top and all. The truth is we were dealt a sh*tty hand. We had the dot com bubble burst, terrorists fly planes into our economic and military centers, and have a circuis of an election producing a barely literate simian oaf of a man to run the largest world superpower. It's difficult, but we've gotta take these lemons and make lemonade. Government corruption will never go away, nor will mid east violence. Let the Jews and Muslims fight over the holy land. Let them bicker over the rubble. I'll have no part of it. (I'm a jew and don't get me started on that whole Zionist occupation thing. I'll be writing for hours. ). Our leaders are human and are susceptible to greed and corruption. how do we fix that one? Beats me. I'd say lobby and write your congressman, but that doesn't seem to do the trick anymore. I'd say open rebellion, but that would land me in prison without trial for being a terrorist.don't get me wrong. I love my country, just not what's doing or its current situation ATM. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
|
Xipkell - Student |
Yeah as a matter of fact we screwed up with Japan. The corporations of Japan are having to build an ICBM defence since the government isn't allowed to have a regular army. Now can you imagine the leverage they will have over the Japanese government? This is going to sound extremely corny but have you ever read anything by William Gibson? In his books the corporations are mightier than the governments. Does any of this sound an alarm because they are not the only ones headed in that direction. Corporations here in the US buy and sell votes in the house of representitives and congress through lobbyists, favors, gifts, contracts, and other methods. Think on this for the energy bill that is/was being pushed so hard would have made our environment much worse and lined the pockets of the corporations. Bush proposes to cut the restrictions placed on gas mileage requirements for the major auto makers by 24%, I do believe. This will not only cost us more at the pump for we will need more gas to go the same distance but it will screw the air we breath, the crops we grow, the cost of doing business and numerous other things. And who do you believe is paying for this push and asking for the cutbacks? I'll give you a hint It isn't you and I. Millions have already been spent on this and I'm sure they will spend millions more. And who do you suppose recieves this money? Hint number two, once again it isn't you and I. The rich make themselves richer and the rest of the people have to suffer. I would like for my daughter to grow up in a liveable breathable world and not have to live in poverty because she isn't rich. Make no mistake about it, the middle class has been shrinking for a long time now and will be wiped out if things do not change. This means anyone not making 80K a year will live in poverty while those above will live in luxury. This may sound far fetched but if you don't believe me do some research and prove me wrong. I've done mine. This comment was edited by Xipkell on Dec 16 2003 08:52am. |
|
Vasper Ba'xian - Student
|
Come to think of it, its sad that we should even have to talk about all this. I wonder if My generation will ever see a world where everyone can respect each other. Where we'll be able to go to any country to visit and see that culture without worrying about being attacked just because you live in a certain country or believe in a certain god. Probably closer to a fantasy than a reality, but it would be a great achievement for our species. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
|
|
Buzz - Student
|
Xipkell, you forgot Japan and Germany. We really screwed up there now didn't we? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
|
Xipkell - Student |
I tend to agree with you about the news situation but as a solution i haven't watched the American news in months. Mostly since the major conflict ended but as an alternative I like to listen to the BBC and watch the international news on PBS on Sundays. I believe the BBC can be heard in any city on public radio stations every day. At least I hope it's not just here in Chicago. I like the BBC because, if I am correct, the English have laws against false reporting(Someone please CORRECT ME if I am wrong). So I believe the jist of it is: if you lie you can be held liable by the government, with jail time and what not. As for the governing body it will take a long time before it gets done right. I'll spare you the long wind but any time we have a hand in other governments they end up worse off than when they started. Libya, Panama, Iran, Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan, and more I am sure. With this track record it is no wonder as to why the UN doesn't think the US can handle this situation by itself. |
|
Vasper Ba'xian - Student
|
I don't think we should pull out right away. With no established gov. it would be utter chaos. There is a lot to be done. Est. a government, a military, police organizations, a working court system, economy issues must be sorted out, and the threat of violence is still a serious factor there. Whats done is done. We are there now and have turned the country upside down. Now we must show the people HOW to live more independently, without the threat of Sadaam or his thugs. Just yesterday, on the news,I saw Iraqi's in the streets with weapons and cheering. People in trucks running around with AK-47's and pistols, haging out the window. I'm glad their happy about Sadaam, they should be. But how many pictures of citizens have you seen of some war torn nation, packed into trucks, driving around firing shots into the air? Too many for me. I don't wanna say that it's in their nature but it's the only way I can describe what I'm thinking. I have a feeling that another Sumollia(spelling) might haappen. We just need to establish these things to get the country started and then let them take it from there. Once order is restored, a gov. est., a policing body selected, and main economy issues worked out, let them take it. It's not abandoning them. They need to rebuild their country, to establish pride in themselves for the part they had in it. If we do it for them, they will not respect it. Kinda like my dad saying they he wasn't gonna bye me a car. If I didn't pay for it with my own hard work and money then why would I respect it? I didn't have to do anything to get it. And he was right! I take good care of my car because that money came out of my pocket and I worked hard for it. Just my 0.02 _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Dec 15 2003 04:02pm. |
|
Buzz - Student 
|
Actually I think the US gets a lot of its oil from Venezuela and Nigeria. And you're right about Europe getting a lot of oil from Iraq, care to guess which countries stood to gain a lot if Saddam was still in power when sanctions got lifted? What I really don't like is that the US has to send oil to Iraq (or at least did I don't know if we still are) because all these insurgents keep blowing up the oil pipelines. That's basically Iraq's only resource. I don't want us over there running the country any longer than necessary, but necessary could be half a decade. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
|
Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
|
well, Xipkell and Ulic I AM FROM EUROPE... So I didn't like what you said... and you see, as mighty as the US may be you get your weapons from Europe! (belgium is one of the best countries in weapon producement) So we can screw you right back! Get my point?  _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
Want to know Vladarion? Read the Article about his life here. |
|
Ulic Belouve - Student
|
Yeah, you definately got the oil point. I think Imight have pointed that out, but as a recent Political Science grad, good job on seeing that. Anyhoo, I initially just wanted to say that if the UN does do anything, it will take them 3 months and involve a condemnation of the Jews. That's the UN. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
|
Xipkell - Student |
Yes, slow is not good but(I always have a but to interject and for the record I despise politicians) do we want the same situation in Iraq that we have in Afghanistan? I am speaking about the warlords who seize and then control the food and supplies from exterior sources. This is just as bad as having a ruthless dictator in power for they starve and kill people just as readily and for what? The same thing as governments, money and power. BTW anyone else notice that a lot of Europe gets a large protion of their oil from Iraq. Awfully convenient that we now have the balls of europe, so to speak, in our mighty american hands. All the US would have to do if any european country didn't play nice is squeeze. Sort of like OPEC is with us, jacking up the prices by lowering output, even though we in the US get the majority of our oil from Argentina. |
|
Vasper Ba'xian - Student
|
When aren't they going slow. I don't see the problem with providing relief to those people. In politics, it's like the simplest things can be made to be so complicated. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
|
|
Buzz - Student
|
You are right Vasper the sanctions we place should be lifted, we're working on that, the UN though is going very slow in doing is. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
|
Vasper Ba'xian - Student
|
The sanctions we've placed on Iraq should be lifted. I don't see how making the people suffer because of thier X-leader is supposed to help anyone. If anything, it will just breed more hatred towards the US. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
|
|
Bubu - Hubbub 
|
what war? i see no violence anywhere... the world of men is falling to its doom. _______________ make install -not war |
| < Recent Comments | Login and add your comment! | Previous Comments > |