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Dec 29 2003 02:27pm

EAF_fencer3
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So, for my birthday, I went to see the new LOTR movie. I want everyone's opinion on it. I thought it was pretty good, but there were several things that disappointed me. First of all, they didn't take the witch-king's helmet off :D. More importantly, they killed the ending. In the amount of time they spent on Rosie Cotton, they could've done the scouring of the shire!!! Saruman was totally cut out!!!
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Dec 31 2003 01:21pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

yes
****spoiler****
especially when Pippin was singing while Faramir rode to his 'death'

it had some real tear jerkers in it...

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This comment was edited by Bail Hope of Belouve on Dec 31 2003 03:19pm.

Dec 31 2003 09:35am

Mookie
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Denethor burning himself with a palantìr as opposed to.... jumping off a cliff???


What happened was that the whole story with the palantir was underdeveloped, so it just wouldn't be as important. I understand Jackson's ulterior motive here, which is to provide balance, but as they said, some things just don't work out. However, I believe having Denethor burn in the fire and running down the cliff of Minar Tirith was so expertly and dramatically done that it's worth it, especially when the camera pulls out, you see this huge battlefield still raging... and you realise no one even noticed Denethor falling.

As for the ending, yeah too long. I think he had some trouble finding closure for this project, which is okay. After all, we saw almost ten hours of movie by the time we came to the ending, remember?

I personally think it was the best movie of the year. So many powerful, emotional moments.


Dec 31 2003 09:32am

Wolfwood
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 Wolfwood

Yeah but if you read the compendium, youll find out Sam has 2 kids ;)
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Dec 31 2003 08:55am

tarpman
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The first two movies were accurate enough as movies based on books go, but the closer this got to the end, the more they skipped. They even changed some really important stuff, like
****** SPOILER *******


Denethor burning himself with a palantìr as opposed to.... jumping off a cliff???:confused:
Also changed is the very (yes, the final final final) ending, where in the book, Sam went inside and only had one kid around. Picky, ain't I? :D

Of course, the biggest gripe (besides the outrageous accents) is the complete lack of the epilogue. The ***HUGE SPOILER*** ruin of the Shire was fairly important to the reader's final view of the characters of Merry and Pippin, but apparently the movie crew didn't have any people with anything that might be called a passing mark in an English course above grade 7. Oh, well... :(
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Dec 31 2003 04:03am

crazy_hacker
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oh, ok. I never thought of that.. thx

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Dec 31 2003 02:45am

Octavius
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 Octavius

**Spoiler! Dont look---but hell, you should have seen it by now!**
Well-
the reason he looks so old is he is 116 by the time he gets on the boat with Lord Elrond and frodo
In the Feloowship of the Ring-he's 111 BUT hes had the ring for like 50 60ish years keeping his health and appearence relatively the same from the day Bilbo picked up the ring in gollum's cave (story told in the HOBBIT)
However, without the power of ring Biblo's body reverts to what would be his normal apperance for a 116 year old.
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Dec 31 2003 01:06am

crazy_hacker
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 crazy_hacker

*SPOILER*


One thing that I didnt get, Frodo said that the journey took 13 months, about a year. Later, he tells sam that its been 4 years to the day that he got that wound, and it hasnt healed (or something like that). So thats like 4 or 5 years, right? But Bilbo in the first movie didnt look too old, and now, 4 or 5 years later, he looks ancient. I havnt read the LOTR books, so I might be missing something here.
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Dec 30 2003 10:59pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

no they don't get killed
a lot of other hobbits get killed though:)
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Dec 30 2003 10:59pm

Wolfwood
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 Wolfwood

Nor Merry Nor Pippin Dies. in the Compendiums it says how merry and pippin get married and have children... they Dont die lol Seriously they dont. :)
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Dec 30 2003 10:44pm

EAF_fencer3
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 EAF_fencer3

well it's been a while since I read it. It was either Merry or Pippin, but one of them dies at Brandywine (or is it Buckland???)

edit: that's why one of them would be dead, Jacen, not at Pellennor, but when they return. I remember Merry and Pippin getting some honor for fighting the ruffians, and I think one of them gets killed too
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Dec 30 2003 12:09pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

Jack: Yeah, indeed:) You mean Wormtongue:)

Aratan (Lord of the Nazgûl, whatever:P): Yeah, well deuh!!:P I know he's not dead. But hey, if people are sleeping trough the end of the movie, then yeah, you'd think he's dead:P
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Dec 30 2003 10:16am

Jacen Aratan
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Um, yeah, Bail, but you see him in the ending. How can one believe he's dead, if he's riding a friggin pony 10 mins afterwards? :P

Dec 30 2003 09:59am

Wolfwood
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 Wolfwood

And merry doesnt die, not in the books nor the movie :)
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Dec 30 2003 09:58am

Wolfwood
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 Wolfwood

***Spoiler***

Bail, in the end of book 3 is a guy that tries to stab frodo when they are back at the shire. But due to his mithral he survives (and no, not talking about the cavetroll in book one) :)
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Dec 30 2003 09:52am

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

he didn't die
but I think that if you don't know the books
you really believe he dies at the Battle of the Pelennor fields (Battle for Gondor)

Since he has the Black Breath after stabbing the Nazgûl
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Dec 30 2003 08:55am

Jacen Aratan
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Whenever did Merry die, in the books OR the movies, EAF? Or am I misunderstanding you?

A thing which disappointed me more than the missing Saruman, was the missing Mouth of Sauron. I hope he'll show up in the extended edition.

Dec 30 2003 06:15am

Smilykrazy
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 Smilykrazy

i thought this movie totally pwned all!!! I absolutely loved it! :D
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Dec 30 2003 04:27am

EAF_fencer3
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 EAF_fencer3

flaws, Jacen??? pfff...Meriadoc Brandybuck DIES, dammit! I certainly hope you're right, bail...that was probably what I was most looking forward to (besides the floating eyes of the witch-king :D:D:D)
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Dec 29 2003 10:36pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

****SPOILER*****

What guy that tries to kill Frodo? The goodbyes, aye, indeed, but hey, they had some good ons in there too. And I think you mean the Evenstar. Gimli, well, I think that is kind of an unspoken thought in the movies...:)
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Dec 29 2003 06:31pm

Wolfwood
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 Wolfwood

I agree with it. The movie was very cool :D but indeed I missed some stuff:

****SPOILER******










The part where that guy tries to kill Frodo for example. The goodbyes: Aragorn riding of in the sun set towards gondor holding up the elvenstar. Legolas and gimli: Gimli getting the nickname: Elvenfriend. Stuff like that :(
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Dec 29 2003 04:47pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

I think you mean Saruman, not Sauron:P
and it's Merry:P not marry

but yeah
it's a good movie
in spite of the flaws...;)
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Dec 29 2003 04:46pm

Vasper Ba'xian
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Aye, the ending could have been so much better. They also cut out the part where Gandulf confronted Saurmon at his tower. And if I remember right Marry and Pippin had grown a lot because of the drink that Treebeard gave them.

But still a good movie!
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Dec 29 2003 04:44pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

yeah
I agree with you

but I heard that Saruman's defeat will be in the extended version, that will be available in November next year...
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Dec 29 2003 03:52pm

Darkwood
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 Darkwood

what jacen said. - but hey, the movie was good :)
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Dec 29 2003 03:48pm

Jacen Aratan
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Yeah, true, it rocked, but it had some flaws.

But hey, how often do you get to say "ah, it's over, better head for the car now- oh wait, it's not over yet" 6-7 times? :P

PS: Better include "warning: spoilers" in the thread name. :)

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